Islip's code enforcer is out

Islip's code enforcer is out

There are 32 comments on the Newsday story from Feb 8, 2007, titled Islip's code enforcer is out. In it, Newsday reports that:

They call it "the Islip factor" - an undue attention to detail, measured in architectural plans rejected and building permits delayed - and it has claimed an unexpected victim.

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John Building Contractor

Ridgefield Park, NJ

#1 Feb 8, 2007
In lite of the coruption in the the building departments, Islip and Brookhaven in the past, just to name a few, Mr. Gelsomine's sted fast policies are a breath of fresh air against the foul wind of sub standard work being done by builders trying to make a fast buck in todays booming housing market,who's can't see it from my house and it will last till the check clears attitude would smudge the reputation of all contractor's. Belive it or not there are some of us who care about their quality of work,and like Mr. Gelsomine take pride in builing a house that will last the ages. Bravo to you Peter for standing up for what is right.
Raphael

Knoxville, TN

#2 Feb 8, 2007
ditto...
michael

Monroeville, PA

#4 Feb 8, 2007
I was slightly outraged to find that a man can be forced out for doing his job.Isn't it the resposibility of the plans examiner to make shore the plans meet the state code.Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't the state code basicly the law to enforce the minimum building requierments allowed in the state of new york,I am sure these codes were inacted by highly trained, state employed engineers.I am not sure what type of education or training Mr.Nolan or Mr.Murphy have but by asking Mr. Gelsomine to be more leinent less literal with the code they are actualy asking him to break the law,perhaps Mr. Nolan and Mr.Murphy feel they know better than the state engineers or perhaps its just politics as usual in the town of islip.Perhaps Mr.Gelsomine should get a lawyer.
Bob

United States

#5 Feb 8, 2007
As a homeowner that has spent the last 4 months trying to plans approved it is nice to see the town take a step in the right direction. In typical Newsday Liberal fashion they have made the devil into the victim. I have personally seen this guy verbally abuse homeowners and Architects. At the end of the day his problems come down to notes and not structural problems. He wants homes to be the Taj Mahl and build airports with 4" thick tarmacks.
Lady C

Morgantown, WV

#6 Feb 8, 2007
9 months seems a little long to get an approval to build a wheel chair ramp. They are standard plans and have been reviewed by countless individuals. Sorry, sometimes you can just be too fussy and too much of a barrier to progress.
Judi

United States

#7 Feb 8, 2007
As a taxpayer and a new homeowner in Town of Islip who has been waiting over 17 weeks to have plans approved for a simple addition, I am thrilled to see Peter resign. He has made it an absolute nightmare to get anything done. I am 1000 percent for safe building, but there has to come a time when you have to say enough is enough. As the homeowner, I have been held hostage for this entire process and absolutely no one has helped to streamline the process for the residents or be able to provide any answers as to how long we are supposed to wait.
Judi

United States

#8 Feb 8, 2007
As somebody who doesn't live in the Township or has been subjected to this man's tirades, I really don't see how you have a basis to comment
John Building Contractor wrote:
In lite of the coruption in the the building departments, Islip and Brookhaven in the past, just to name a few, Mr. Gelsomine's sted fast policies are a breath of fresh air against the foul wind of sub standard work being done by builders trying to make a fast buck in todays booming housing market,who's can't see it from my house and it will last till the check clears attitude would smudge the reputation of all contractor's. Belive it or not there are some of us who care about their quality of work,and like Mr. Gelsomine take pride in builing a house that will last the ages. Bravo to you Peter for standing up for what is right.
John - Builder in Islip

Bronx, NY

#9 Feb 8, 2007
I will miss Peter and his frequent help in solving design and code issues. I always found him to be tough as an enforcer of the code but fair in terms of his treatment of me as a builder trying to get a project approved. The bigger problem in Islip, which will not go away by Peter's departure, is the ramdomly restrictive zoning in Islip and the political corruption that is at the core of most problems in this town. If the new supervisor wants to fix things, he should start with the arcane and politically constructed zoning laws. He should also avoid Bob Weibold, LIBI chief, who would prefer no zoning and political patronage for all.
lee

Englewood, CO

#10 Feb 8, 2007
Bob wrote:
As a homeowner that has spent the last 4 months trying to plans approved it is nice to see the town take a step in the right direction. In typical Newsday Liberal fashion they have made the devil into the victim. I have personally seen this guy verbally abuse homeowners and Architects. At the end of the day his problems come down to notes and not structural problems. He wants homes to be the Taj Mahl and build airports with 4" thick tarmacks.
who reviewed and approved plans for the airport. doesn't this back up his position? plan review is important. very important
lee

Englewood, CO

#11 Feb 8, 2007
Lady C wrote:
9 months seems a little long to get an approval to build a wheel chair ramp. They are standard plans and have been reviewed by countless individuals. Sorry, sometimes you can just be too fussy and too much of a barrier to progress.
was it a plan review issue or zoning?
lee

Englewood, CO

#12 Feb 8, 2007
Judi wrote:
As a taxpayer and a new homeowner in Town of Islip who has been waiting over 17 weeks to have plans approved for a simple addition, I am thrilled to see Peter resign. He has made it an absolute nightmare to get anything done. I am 1000 percent for safe building, but there has to come a time when you have to say enough is enough. As the homeowner, I have been held hostage for this entire process and absolutely no one has helped to streamline the process for the residents or be able to provide any answers as to how long we are supposed to wait.
how long did it take for your architect to respond? who was your architect? what's his track record?
john building contractor

Monroeville, PA

#13 Feb 8, 2007
Judi wrote:
As somebody who doesn't live in the Township or has been subjected to this man's tirades, I really don't see how you have a basis to comment
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judi,as a resident of n.y. the code applies to everyone in the state.Furthermore, having been a resident of the town of islip for thirty years and having plans to come home one day they do concern me.As far as the tirates,having to tell the engineer you probobly hired to get in right a number of times can be quite agrivating, he should get it right the fist time, don't ya think.
Anonymous Expeditor

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Feb 8, 2007
As a building permit expeditor, I have dealt with Peter alot. He is tough but fair. The only issue I have had with Islip is that what rule applies today does not always apply tomorrow. They will tell you things they want clarified on the plan and then when you do that and return to them, the list of clarifications they now want it totally different. They are not an easy town to deal with. I will say that in the past, dealing with Peter has been more enjoyable than dealing with other members of that building department. If they were consistant and tough but fair, there would be no issue.
That entire department needs an overhaul.. Ask anyone who tries to do regular work there. Architects are turing jobs down in that town and charging 3x the price since you never know how its going to go once you apply for the permit.
Judi

Abingdon, VA

#17 Feb 8, 2007
My architect returned the first and only set of revisions, which took 8 weeks to get back from first submission, withing 2 weeks. They have now had the plans in their possession with no action for 6 weeks. As far as my architect goes, he has a clean, blemish-free record. We checked him out before we chose him, although our choices were limited b/c no one wanted to work within the Town of Islip.
lee wrote:
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how long did it take for your architect to respond? who was your architect? what's his track record?
Judi

Abingdon, VA

#18 Feb 8, 2007
Welcome back to LI if you plan on coming back. I just hope, for your sake that you never need a permit from the Town of Islip. We only had one set of revisions requested on these plans with no structual changes required and that was back in December. Still no permits.
john building contractor wrote:
<quoted text>judi,as a resident of n.y. the code applies to everyone in the state.Furthermore, having been a resident of the town of islip for thirty years and having plans to come home one day they do concern me.As far as the tirates,having to tell the engineer you probobly hired to get in right a number of times can be quite agrivating, he should get it right the fist time, don't ya think.
Judi

Abingdon, VA

#19 Feb 8, 2007
john building contractor wrote:
<quoted text>judi,as a resident of n.y. the code applies to everyone in the state.Furthermore, having been a resident of the town of islip for thirty years and having plans to come home one day they do concern me.As far as the tirates,having to tell the engineer you probobly hired to get in right a number of times can be quite agrivating, he should get it right the fist time, don't ya think.
John, if the rules didn't change from minute to minute in that Town, it would be a lot easier.
Larry

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#20 Feb 8, 2007
The bad news...The man gets forced to resign because he was following the letter of the law.

The good news....The residents of the Town Of Islip now do not have to re-locate to South Florida to live in sub-standard housing.

We would love to have diligent code enforcement down here.
lee

Englewood, CO

#21 Feb 8, 2007
Judi wrote:
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John, if the rules didn't change from minute to minute in that Town, it would be a lot easier.
no rules changed. your architect is bad. the ones that don't want to work in islip are the ones that don't want to work. how would you expect to get approved if the only plan examiner is no longer there?! besides that minor detail, why doesn't phil nolan or mr. murphy push and get your plans out? maybe they could review them, more importantly, sign them, hold the contractor's hand when the building inspector finds problems with things like egress windows, strapping requirements, you know the "non-structural" issues that would just be "notes". best of luck judi i have empathy for you, but the guy did not write the code, he is mandated to enforce it. the issue is whether or not the architect diplays knowledge of the code. if he shows compliance you get a permit. whats his name, maybe someone knows him.
lee

Englewood, CO

#22 Feb 8, 2007
Larry wrote:
The bad news...The man gets forced to resign because he was following the letter of the law.
The good news....The residents of the Town Of Islip now do not have to re-locate to South Florida to live in sub-standard housing.
We would love to have diligent code enforcement down here.
make him an offer!!!
Ariana

White Plains, NY

#23 Feb 11, 2007
I am so happy our town supervisors acted upon this. I've been waiting five months to get plans approved for a renovation, and I've spent an additional $1,500.00 on top of what I paid my architect, for all of the times he had to meet with Gelsomine and redo drawings that were, in my opinion, flawlwss. We pay excessive amounts in taxes and shouldn't have to be punished to improve the value of our home and neighborhood. It would be in the towns benefit to speed up the process, because once the job is complete and the home is reassessed, they'll be able to collect more in taxes.
I understand and agree that homes should be built safe, strong and meet all necessary codes. But there is something such as overkill, and I felt, from the first time Gelsomie left a nasty, threatening message on my machine that if the architect didn't get back to him in a timely manner with the revisions, I'd have to refile and re-pay to have him look at my drawings, this guy was on nothing but a power trip. Good riddens.

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