Blaming Israel for carnage

Blaming Israel for carnage

There are 121818 comments on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Blaming Israel for carnage. In it, Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that:

Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

fed up

United States

#54 Jul 22, 2006
Luis Ferreira wrote:
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Educated people don't get involved in confrontation. War is a product of fear and a bunch of male teenagers trying to get some use of his hormones, coordinated and indouctrinated by elder people.
And sometimes grown men act like hormonal teenagers and you have to put some fear into them. Commonly called "They got to big for their britches".
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#56 Jul 22, 2006
fed up wrote:
<quoted text>And sometimes grown men act like hormonal teenagers and you have to put some fear into them. Commonly called "They got to big for their britches".
That's dissuasion.
The origin of all this trouble is a struggle for regional influence. For a NEW Middle East. Iran, Syria, Israel... and United States of America are the actors.
freebird

UK

#58 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
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If you think I like war, you are wrong.
Shelly-USA wrote:
I was resonding to the US will be isolated from the world because of our support for Israel. That is the article I clicked on. As far as the bombs being sent to Israel, wish I could write my name on one of them.


Yeah whatever.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#59 Jul 22, 2006
Garry wrote:
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I wouldn't say Muslim Apologists because pretty much any post has taken the position that both sides share some guilt. I think its closer to even-handed fair thinkers.
I find that your opinion is set as pro Israeli from the get go, and there is never any admission of any guilt. That is the true definition of an Apologist, one who is not interested in the facts, only in deflecting responsabiliy, in every case.
My opinion is Pro Israeli because I know the history and how hard they tried. I also know it is a fact that in the eyes of the Muslim world, especially in the middle east, there is no good Jew, only a dead Jew, is acceptable. The Saudi's (Home of Mecca, where the words go far) teach the hate, finance it, and promote it.

I have lived among Arabs and they are the most filthy, laziest human beings on this planet. THEY DON'T WORK. They reproduce and lay around all day. Call me hateful, I really don't care. The root of all evil in the middle east is Saudi Arabia and their depraved Mohamid Prophet. My brother was blown to bits in Saudi Arabia in his sleep. He was there on invitation of Saudi Arabia. The towel heads that hit the WTC were mostly Saudi's.

It's interesting that Saudi is losing ground in the Middle East to Iran. I wish they would kill each other.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#60 Jul 22, 2006
Garry wrote:
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Very clearly, Canadians do not accept that America provides any "National Security" which is not part of the combined military efforts (NORAD, etc.) that Canadians participate in.
Clearly, many Canadians do not agree with US policy and have no intention of paying for it. The bypassing of established systems of International governance being the chief complaint. The excessive influence of the Israeli lobby in the White House and Congress being another of many irritants.
I know you believe you are immune to attack in Canada, the last round up of the terrorists group in Canada didn't phase you. You know the ones that said they were going to kidnap your Prime Minister and behead him?

You just keep thinking that Canada can defend themselves, I won't interfere in your fantasy. Not worth arguing over.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#62 Jul 22, 2006
freebird wrote:
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Shelly-USA wrote:
I was resonding to the US will be isolated from the world because of our support for Israel. That is the article I clicked on. As far as the bombs being sent to Israel, wish I could write my name on one of them.
Yeah whatever.
Yea, Hezbollah should have been taken out in 1983 along with Iran. If we had done the job them, maybe 911 wouldn't have happened.

We didn't have any trouble with Japan after we nuked them.

I don't like war, but it is necessary. Freedom is not free.
fed up

United States

#64 Jul 22, 2006
Luis Ferreira wrote:
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That's dissuasion.
The origin of all this trouble is a struggle for regional influence. For a NEW Middle East. Iran, Syria, Israel... and United States of America are the actors.
Israelis moved out of Lebanon, they own a small strip of land, why would hezbollah, syria and iran keep aggravating them on a daily basis?
just like that

United States

#66 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
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How old are you?
at least 12 huh?
freebird

UK

#67 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
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Yea, Hezbollah should have been taken out in 1983 along with Iran. If we had done the job them, maybe 911 wouldn't have happened.
We didn't have any trouble with Japan after we nuked them.
I don't like war, but it is necessary. Freedom is not free.
Why do you think 911 wouldn't have happened? What did Hezbollah or Iran have to do with it? Are you suggesting that nuclear weapons should be used in the middle east?
Shelly-USA

AOL

#70 Jul 22, 2006
Garry wrote:
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These are all the things you know. What you should be discussing is the history of the Lebanese and the struggles they have had. The contributions they have made and what is happening to them.
Condolences even now for your brother.
Your right about the Saudi/Iran thing and I think that is why Saudi, Jordan and Egypt appear to be backing Israel here - to get Iranian influence botteded up throught the Muslim world.
Aren't you orginally from Lebanon? Was it you that posted you had relatives on vacation there? Someone from Canada did, thought it was you. Why did you leave your country?

Thanks for the condolences, even now, it hurts. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about him.

I feel for the innocent life Gary, but this is war. The Lebanese people were not free. Syria is a dictatorship. Lebanon is/was on their way to being a Islamist Fascist state. Why didn't the UN and the Lebanese army disarm Hezbollah, if they did, this would not be happening.

See yah. Over and out.
ean

Germany

#73 Jul 22, 2006
Garry wrote:
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Apparently, Israel had taken large numbers of Lebabese national prisoner and have kept them for several years. It has been 6 years since Israel left Lebanon, it may very well be that the Lebanese (including Hezbollah) have a fair point here.
there are 4 lebanese prisoners in israel, and they are ppl who murdered israeli citizens or tried to commit terrorist acts. the rest were released 2 years ago.
Simon

Stockport, UK

#74 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
I have found that most Canucks are terrorist apologists. It took them years to list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. They finally listed them in 2002. Canada even has Sharia law for their Muslim friends.
What has bombing a secular country got to do with your religion/religious beliefs?

Isreal is killing innocent Civilians EVERY day, over a third of these are Children.

They do not even have the means themselves to disarm Hezbollah, yet alone the Lebanese Government, however it is the Lebanese being murdered for it.

Isreal failed in their last invasion of Southern Lebanon, however thousands of Lebanese where killed.

The solution to all of this is dialouge and treating people are equals. Isreal considers itself racially superior, this is the root cause of the problem. This is why since 1948 there has been an increase in religious fundamentalism in the area as Arab Nationlism failed.

When you loose your national identiy, people become religiously obsessed.
ean

Germany

#75 Jul 22, 2006
Simon wrote:
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What has bombing a secular country got to do with your religion/religious beliefs?
Isreal is killing innocent Civilians EVERY day, over a third of these are Children.
They do not even have the means themselves to disarm Hezbollah, yet alone the Lebanese Government, however it is the Lebanese being murdered for it.
Isreal failed in their last invasion of Southern Lebanon, however thousands of Lebanese where killed.
The solution to all of this is dialouge and treating people are equals. Isreal considers itself racially superior, this is the root cause of the problem. This is why since 1948 there has been an increase in religious fundamentalism in the area as Arab Nationlism failed.
When you loose your national identiy, people become religiously obsessed.
i dont even know where to start pointing out the flaws in your statements. first of all, israel was always the one being attacked since 1948, so how is it israel caused the war?
second, syria and lebanon have a national identity, they have states of their own - what then is their cause for religious obsession?
dont get me wrong, i have no problem with someone bringing up different ideas to what i believe in, i just need them to back it up with facts proof and information, as am i willing to do if u protest my comments.
Redoran

Philadelphia, PA

#77 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
Ean, good question......first off Israel must win the hearts and minds of the world and not just the blind mutual relation the U.S. and its jewish lobby have......problem is , increasingly the rest of the world is seeing Israel as the problem for which is not deserved...this latest stupid move will ensure Israel....future waves of terrorism for years to come.....Israel should have negotiated for the release of the soldiers when it had a chance and for once , listen to some of the valid grievances of the Palestinians......otherwise the very thing Israel wants and deserves "security" is nothing but a pipe dream.
Hey Marc: for how many years "has" Israel had terrorism? HUH???
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#79 Jul 22, 2006
ean wrote:
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i dont even know where to start pointing out the flaws in your statements. first of all, israel was always the one being attacked since 1948, so how is it israel caused the war?
second, syria and lebanon have a national identity, they have states of their own - what then is their cause for religious obsession?
dont get me wrong, i have no problem with someone bringing up different ideas to what i believe in, i just need them to back it up with facts proof and information, as am i willing to do if u protest my comments.
It was the Irgun Zvai Leumi group who in 1931, the date of foundation, made retaliation against Arab attacks a central part of their initial efforts.
Simon

Stockport, UK

#82 Jul 22, 2006
ean wrote:
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i dont even know where to start pointing out the flaws in your statements. first of all, israel was always the one being attacked since 1948, so how is it israel caused the war?
second, syria and lebanon have a national identity, they have states of their own - what then is their cause for religious obsession?
dont get me wrong, i have no problem with someone bringing up different ideas to what i believe in, i just need them to back it up with facts proof and information, as am i willing to do if u protest my comments.
I will try an respond more to the point, and not assume this time.

1. Israel has been attacked since 1948, as Isreal was set up as Jewish State by my country (the British) in 1948. This provoked Arab Nationlism as the majority living there were Arab Palestinians, hence they attempted to Invade it and return it to the state of Palestine.

Now, if we look at all the things that have gone on since then Isreal has continually ignored UN resolutions, and NEVER returned occupied land it has taken since 1948, ie The Golan Heights etc, has had an expansonist policy, and has allowed people from the former Soviet Union, Ethiopia etc.. to come and settle on these lands through a fundamentalist religious belief.

This has caused provocation if its neighbours. This has been going on for a long time, and the USA perpetuates it all.

This is why Arab Nationalism has failed, and they have all turned to religious fundamentalism like Islam.

Syria and Lebanon are not religious states, they are secular, Lebanon in particular has a very large Christian population, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.. I would class are religious states.

Now I can see the provocation from Hezbollah, but I can understand what has brought this about, I can understand why the Palestinians have responses as they do..

I do not however accept the indiscriminate killing of people by a STATE is acceptable... My post was not about who started it, that is an extremely childish argument to have.. you can only analyze the cause of this through looking at the political history of the region.

This is why I disagree with you. Israel is targetting civilians of another sovereign country, due to the fact it has an internal problem with Hezbollah which it cannot control.(Israel Couldnt even do it in 2000).

Can you predict what is going to happen with the sentament of the population there towards Israel now? Hezbollah has just gained more support.

There are means and ways of resolving conflict, Israels ability to do this is lacking, and therefore is now perceived as the cause of the killing.
USMC Wife

National City, CA

#83 Jul 22, 2006
Think of it in this way:

If you have a caged dog and your nasty neighbor comes over everyday and pokes this caged dog with sticks and smackes the cage & antaganizes this caged dog. Whos fault is it when the neighbor comes back the another day and the dogs cage is open and ripps the throat out of the neighbor on the dog owners property when the dog is there for the sole reason for protecting its master?
There is only so much the dog can take before it lashes out and does its job.
But - the nasty neighbor (Being Hezbula) will call the authorities and want that dog put to sleep.
Its OK for the raticle muslams to bring there beliefes to a democratic society - but NO WAY is it acceptable for a democratic society to bring their beliefes to them.
blueeyedman

Birmingham, AL

#84 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
Ean, good question......first off Israel must win the hearts and minds of the world and not just the blind mutual relation the U.S. and its jewish lobby have......problem is , increasingly the rest of the world is seeing Israel as the problem for which is not deserved...this latest stupid move will ensure Israel....future waves of terrorism for years to come.....Israel should have negotiated for the release of the soldiers when it had a chance and for once , listen to some of the valid grievances of the Palestinians......otherwise the very thing Israel wants and deserves "security" is nothing but a pipe dream.
what would you negtiate with TERRORIEST, WHY EVER, YOU CANT TRUST THEM..........
Lowell

Phoenix, AZ

#85 Jul 22, 2006
Brown Eye wrote:
Nuke the whales.....
Nuke something huh?
What is with you here?
just like that

United States

#86 Jul 22, 2006
Simon wrote:
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I will try an respond more to the point, and not assume this time.
1. Israel has been attacked since 1948, as Isreal was set up as Jewish State by my country (the British) in 1948. This provoked Arab Nationlism as the majority living there were Arab Palestinians, hence they attempted to Invade it and return it to the state of Palestine.
Now, if we look at all the things that have gone on since then Isreal has continually ignored UN resolutions, and NEVER returned occupied land it has taken since 1948, ie The Golan Heights etc, has had an expansonist policy, and has allowed people from the former Soviet Union, Ethiopia etc.. to come and settle on these lands through a fundamentalist religious belief.
This has caused provocation if its neighbours. This has been going on for a long time, and the USA perpetuates it all.
This is why Arab Nationalism has failed, and they have all turned to religious fundamentalism like Islam.
Syria and Lebanon are not religious states, they are secular, Lebanon in particular has a very large Christian population, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.. I would class are religious states.
Now I can see the provocation from Hezbollah, but I can understand what has brought this about, I can understand why the Palestinians have responses as they do..
I do not however accept the indiscriminate killing of people by a STATE is acceptable... My post was not about who started it, that is an extremely childish argument to have.. you can only analyze the cause of this through looking at the political history of the region.
This is why I disagree with you. Israel is targetting civilians of another sovereign country, due to the fact it has an internal problem with Hezbollah which it cannot control.(Israel Couldnt even do it in 2000).
Can you predict what is going to happen with the sentament of the population there towards Israel now? Hezbollah has just gained more support.
There are means and ways of resolving conflict, Israels ability to do this is lacking, and therefore is now perceived as the cause of the killing.
the golan was taken because it was being used to launch missels into northern israel, hezbollah is not gaining support, they are killing lebonese civilians who are trying to flee.

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