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There are 14 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 21, 2008, titled letters. In it, Newsday reports that:

Complexities of property tax cap It is astonishing that Newsday could pin the problems with property taxes on the shoulders of school boards while in the same breath lament unfunded mandates and uncontrollable ...

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Sal

United States

#1 Aug 21, 2008
RE: the letter Complexities of property tax cap. Yet another brilliant school board' Board of Ed member heard from.
foggy vision

Ballston Lake, NY

#2 Aug 21, 2008
this tax cap is the stupidest idea from our "leaders"

wake up folks, YOU get to vote on your school budgets...if you vote NO, the budget can't pass...and keep voting NO every time they try to get you to pass it...

don't fall for the teacher's unions wailing about our kids education...they too need to get by with less...

SIMPLE!
Herb Pearce

Harrells, NC

#3 Aug 21, 2008
I just laugh at your school and property taxes, thats one big reason I left My tax bill which was just paid was only $1753.00 for the full year.
another thing you should put a cap on is your over paid police department. They been on the gravey train like forever.
Consolidate now

Little Neck, NY

#4 Aug 21, 2008
Mr. Fred Langstaff - your over simplistic view is one reason why educators should not be in charge of budgeting and contracts. These issues should be left to number crunchers who know how to stretch a budget dollar. How is it that corporate america manages? How about letting teachers pay more into their own pensions. How about offering different types of medical benefits (HMO, PPO, etc.)- and leave the choice up to a teacher or employee who needs to pay make their own choice? How about requiring competitive bids for insurance programs from multiple insurers? How about consolidating some back-office among school districts to save money? How about getting rid of the waste and perks?
There's more items that could be added to the list. But you need someone who can find ways to save money - obviously the average educator doesn't know how. The gravy train of tax dollars and tax increases isn't going to last forever. Teachers, unions, school boards, administrators - they all have to be on board with trying to save tax dollars. Personally - I think a 4% cap is too high - I'd prefer see some actual tax decreases - then maybe a 2% cap.
Done that already

Little Neck, NY

#5 Aug 21, 2008
foggy vision wrote:
this tax cap is the stupidest idea from our "leaders"
wake up folks, YOU get to vote on your school budgets...if you vote NO, the budget can't pass...and keep voting NO every time they try to get you to pass it...
don't fall for the teacher's unions wailing about our kids education...they too need to get by with less...
SIMPLE!
Sounds good - but then you go on "austerity". It still doesn't force the districts to go back and find some serious cuts. Therein lies the real problem.
Bob

Greenwich, CT

#6 Aug 21, 2008
The gravy train will continue making all local stops until people ditch the mindset of always voting yes because they have kids in school. People need to wake up to the fact that simply throwing money at things doesn't make for a good education.
Oh really

Little Neck, NY

#7 Aug 21, 2008
Herb Pearce wrote:
I just laugh at your school and property taxes, thats one big reason I left My tax bill which was just paid was only $1753.00 for the full year.
another thing you should put a cap on is your over paid police department. They been on the gravey train like forever.
ALL tax districts need to be examined. Local school taxes are the largest overall percentage of local taxes - which is why it's alsmost spoken of first. But let's not stop there- police, fire, etc.- they all have to be closely audited.
I am astonished

Little Neck, NY

#8 Aug 21, 2008
"Complexities of property tax cap" (Fred Langstaff)
The writer is a member of Eastern Suffolk BOCES Board of Education
What a surprise? Another teacher not in favor of property tax caps !
But it's all about the children, right ? Never mind the taxpayers.
Disgraceful.
jim

United States

#9 Aug 21, 2008
...For example, from 2001 to 2006, employer pension costs skyrocketed 281 percent. During the same time, health care costs jumped an average of 10 percent per year, while special education costs increased an average of 6 percent, as did transportation costs...
What you NEGLECT to mention is that those increases WERE CAUSED BY UNION CONTRACTS that gave those teachers MASSIVE INCREASES in pension amount. WHY should a teacher RETIRE with FULL SALARY ????
jim

United States

#10 Aug 21, 2008
How about a NEW way to deal with BUDGETS.
1-Full accountability.
2-NO teachers allowed on the management side of contract talks.
3-ONE VOTE on the taxes.
and finally....
4-IF THE VOTE FAILS, YOU STAY ON THE PREVIOUS BUDGET UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
>>>>> ZERO PERCENT INCREASE <<<<<<
taxpayers

Greenlawn, NY

#11 Aug 21, 2008
Teachers and their union make me furious. They have an overblown sense of entitlement. They don't want to contribute to their pension or healthcare, like everyone else does. They feel the taxpayer should let them have the lifestyle of millionaires. No one becomes a teacher to educate students, they become teachers because of they know that teachers are paid extremely well (overpaid in my opinion), don't have to contribute to any benefit, and only work 1/3 of a day for less than 1/2 a year. Oh, and they cannot be fired for being incompetent. If I was younger and in college, I would become a teacher, it is alot easier than the job I have now. With out of control pay for teachers, someday the only people that can afford to live here will be the teachers. I wonder how they will feel about taxes when they are the only ones here and the only ones paying their salaries.
school taxes

Valley Stream, NY

#12 Aug 21, 2008
First off, VOTING on the school taxes is a complete JOKE. We vote on a very small %(perhaps 2%) and the BIG money is already SPENT. I will continue to VOTE NO every time, of course, just as a protest vote. It is not by chance that if a VOTE fails, the first thing they cut is school sports/activities, as that is the most noticeable. Who would notice if they cut back on teacher's paid trips for or teacher's cell phones.

Second, the cap is ONLY a first step, and not the solution. But we have to stop the out-of-control spending and 4% is better than their usual 10% and up.

3rd, if the school boards, the UNIONS and the like, are against a school tax, then it MUST be a good thing. Perhaps they read the writing on the wall that the good old "spend spend days" are over.

I cringe every time I see or hear an add from the teacher's UNION explaining how a tax cap is wrong, it will hurt the children. Enough, the last thing the teacher's care about are the children. They care about their lavish compensation package. They care that the UNION has held the long island tax payer at gun-point for years.

The system, from top to bottom, is broken. a cap is a start, then they need to consolidate...there is ZERO reason that there are 120+ school districts on long island each with over-paid ADMINS and staff. That would also solve the problem of the supposed shortage of ADMINS that the School Boards claim is the reason they have to hire a retired one-day, hired the next for the same job position issue.

Anyone complaining, should always VOTE NO and stop listening to the Marketing Ads of the UNIONS, should call their state senators and assembly along with the Governor and DEMAND they listen to THE PEOPLE and get out of Bed with the UNIONS.

It is also sickening to see the UNIONS now, not endorse candidates based solely on the fact they said NO to the UNION for a change!

Let us hope that Long Islanders WAKE up for a change and start demanding the system is fixed.
watcher

Brooklyn, NY

#13 Aug 22, 2008
Consolidate now wrote:
Mr. Fred Langstaff - your over simplistic view is one reason why educators should not be in charge of budgeting and contracts. These issues should be left to number crunchers who know how to stretch a budget dollar. How is it that corporate america manages? How about letting teachers pay more into their own pensions. How about offering different types of medical benefits (HMO, PPO,****- and leave the choice up to a teacher or employee who needs to pay make their own choice? How about requiring competitive bids for insurance programs from multiple insurers? How about consolidating some back-office among school districts to save money? How about getting rid of the waste and perks?
There's more items that could be added to the list. But you need someone who can find ways to save money - obviously the average educator doesn't know how. The gravy train of tax dollars and tax increases isn't going to last forever. Teachers, unions, school boards, administrators - they all have to be on board with trying to save tax dollars. Personally - I think a 4% cap is too high - I'd prefer see some actual tax decreases - then maybe a 2% cap.
i can only speak for my own school district - employees have options for health insurance, competitive bids are sought for insurance and many other areas, services are consolidated thru boces, just to mention some of the areas in your post. it's easy to paint school districts with the same brush - especially with newsday perpetuating these acustions in their articles...
watcher

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Aug 22, 2008
taxpayers wrote:
Teachers and their union make me furious. They have an overblown sense of entitlement. They don't want to contribute to their pension or healthcare, like everyone else does. They feel the taxpayer should let them have the lifestyle of millionaires.
what? teachers and other school district employees do contribute to their pensions and health insurance....

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