BF increases Saxtons River sewer cont...

BF increases Saxtons River sewer contract

There are 42 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Mar 31, 2010, titled BF increases Saxtons River sewer contract. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

The Bellows Falls Board of Trustees plans to seek an almost 52 percent increase from the village of Saxtons River for its contract with the Bellows Falls Waste Water Department.

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upset

Bellows Falls, VT

#1 Apr 1, 2010
Last attempt for Falzo to ruin the relationship of the town boards. He’s already screwed up the Village. So much for working together…. Way to go Scotty!!
Joe Shlabotnik

Grand Rapids, MI

#2 Apr 1, 2010
This article should be required reading for any Villager who "pooh-pooh's" the view of some townsfolk opposed to merger.Try to say the village isn't motivated by turfing its expense off on others now!A classic example of a self inflicted "foot shot".
Jeff R

Peterborough, NH

#3 Apr 1, 2010
So upset you think we should just be giving this service away.as a BF resident I feel we should be making more money on it.

I just watched the meeting yesterday it wasn't just Falzo it was a 5-0 vote. The whole board voted in favor of it.

Its funny how when BF gives things away were great neighbors. But when we need to increase something were all trouble makers.

Saxtons River has never tried to get along there just happy with their little vilage , paying little to nothing. They want BF and Rockingham to pay their way. Well guess what things have changed.

Now Saxtons River can get a taste of what it really cost.I would think that even at $70,000.00 they are still getting a deal. Look at what Insurances have done in the last two years.

I feel bad for any member on these boards, as long as they go along people think there great . When they question things there screwing things up.

Lets not forget Saxtons River didn't want any part of the merger, just all the freebies.

I hope the BF residents stick together on this.
Richard D

South Burlington, VT

#4 Apr 1, 2010
Louise I feel for you , I can't afford my bill either.But business is business, tell me what hasn't gone up in the last 5 years.

This amounts to about $85.00 a year increase for Saxtons River. BIG DEAL!!! Your grocery bill has gone up more then that.

Joe the sewer has nothing to do with merger. This service is paid for by users not taxpayers.

look at the price of fuel and Insurance, this increase seems justified to me. My heating bill has gone up 50%.

I commend the Trustees for looking out for us . I don't always agree with them, but this time I do.Louise if your so upset build your own plant. I think you will find your getting a bargain.

Maybe BF should charge by the gallon like other sewer plants do. I bet it would be a lot more then the $70,000.00
Whit

Bellows Falls, VT

#5 Apr 1, 2010
Local governments should not be in the business of trying to maximize profits. Breaking even should always be good enough. This is a "What goes around, comes around" sort of thing. If Saxtons River is forced to go along with this extortion, it establishes a grudge. And we can be sure they'll find a way to collect on that grudge later.

This is all presuming the story's being reported accurately. But if there truly was already a small profit for BF, and this is piled on top of that, this is the most short-sighted political move. I say this as a citizen of the village. The trustees represent us poorly here.
Al Neff

Bellows Falls, VT

#6 Apr 1, 2010
And they want the Town to Merge. They are way out of line and all you need to do is look at Bellows Falls.
The Crazy Town

Keene, NH

#7 Apr 1, 2010
Maybe we should rename the town Bellows Falzo
Richard D

South Burlington, VT

#8 Apr 1, 2010
Whit we should do more then break even . Look at the rising cost of Fuel and Insurance and the other expenses of doing business.

This is the mentality of to many people. look at all the other things in BF that are subsidized. This mentality needs to change if we are to survive.

Whit why do you think Sams left because they were breaking even.This is why BF can't afford anything they been breaking even for years.There is no extras we constantly are sneaking by every year.

Saxtons River can contract with whom ever they like. Maybe they should bid it out, I think they will be shocked at other prices.

So Whit lets just be neighborly and give it away. It is my understanding that Walpole and Westminster pay more then the Village. What makes Saxtons River any different.

Whit you need to change your 60's mentality, Peace ,love and drugs.
Richard D

South Burlington, VT

#9 Apr 1, 2010
Hey crazy it wasn't just him read number 3 comment it was 5-0 vote. I also saw this on Tv.
Mary

Bellows Falls, VT

#10 Apr 1, 2010
I hope the Bellows Falls trustees stick to the increase. Bellows Falls has services to sell. It is the consumers choice to purchase or not purchase.
As Scott states, we ought to be able to go beyond breaking even. No one
can negotiate with the power company for lower rates. They are set. They are paid if power is expected. The $70,000 is reasonable. If Saxtons River can do better elsewhere, then they should seek that service. Ms. Luring states that Bellows Falls "has enough staff", First, obviously she has not heard the discussions on the overtime that has to be paid in order to cover the plant on weekends. Secondly, Bellows Falls trustees don't have to offer a
"justification" to anyone except its own taxpayers and users.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#11 Apr 1, 2010
No one is holding a gun to Saxons Rivers collective head. If they don't like the price, they can find someone else to run their plant.....for as long as it lasts.

Since: May 08

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#12 Apr 1, 2010
Whit wrote:
Local governments should not be in the business of trying to maximize profits. Breaking even should always be good enough. This is a "What goes around, comes around" sort of thing. If Saxtons River is forced to go along with this extortion, it establishes a grudge. And we can be sure they'll find a way to collect on that grudge later.
This is all presuming the story's being reported accurately. But if there truly was already a small profit for BF, and this is piled on top of that, this is the most short-sighted political move. I say this as a citizen of the village. The trustees represent us poorly here.
Whit you are correct, governments should not be in the business of make a profit on ITS citizens. If the town had merged...then that would have been relevant. However, Saxons River residents are not citizens of BF. The Water/Sewer facility is property of the Village, not the town. Its funny how townsfolk want to think of us as one big harmonious municipality with it serves THEIR purpose.

Townies wanted to keep Rockingham divided. Time to reap.

Now you know why the Village didn't want to just hand over these assets to the town for nothing.
Joe Shlabotnik

White River Junction, VT

#13 Apr 1, 2010
Richard D wrote:
Joe the sewer has nothing to do with merger. This service is paid for by users not taxpayers.
It's the thought(idea) that counts. And apparently not( as you say, paid by users) since the charge discussed in the article is "profit". I have no problem if the Village wants to charge a user fee.The "profit" is to underwrite other stuff so that taxes are not used. At least that is what the article suggests.
Spuds

Chester, VT

#14 Apr 1, 2010
I am glad I don't have to share my sewer with anyone!
Call me selfish if you want. It's all mine!
Charlie Brown

Bowdoinham, ME

#15 Apr 1, 2010
This was also discussed at the last trustees meeting and they indicated that the fee should rise every year at a rate of 6%.

The trustees had looked at what private water services are charging and mentioned Putney paper that contracts out at 95k a year.

Guess this is a realty check for Saxtons River and when considering that their volunteer fire dept makes money $6000.00 a year covering Athens VT but calls BFFD to Athens for their calls mutual aid and BFFD does not get paid . The village of Bellows Falls has to pay 4 men overtime each and every call.

Vermont Academy has many false alarms and thye BFFD ladder truck is called mutual aid and once again the BELLOWS FALLS TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME FOR THE RIVER ELITE.

HOW MANY TIMES HAS THE BELLOWS FALLS POLICE BEEN CALLED OUT THERE AND THE RESOURCE COP?

THIS AINT PEANUTS CHARLIE BROWN AND HIS FAMOUS BALL PLAYER WOULD HAVE TO AGREE .
Joe Shlabotnik

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 Apr 1, 2010
Dear Charlie Brown,
I have an authentic,genuine, certifiable, real life, autographed 'Joe Shlabotnik' rookie card. If you change your mind and agree with me, I'll let you have it.
Tempting offer,isn't it?
Your friend,
Joe Shlabotnik
Spuds

Chester, VT

#17 Apr 1, 2010
We all pay for your sidewalks, street lights, paved streets, swimming pool, rec center, library, and so on, while we slug it out on muddy back roads. Quit boohooing about Saxtons River. BF always gets the better fire trucks and we all pay for that too. If you had volunteers you wouldn't need to pay O.T. and what about mutual aid. RFD and SRFD as well as others provide backup when BF has a fire and the volunteer guys don't get paid at all. Count your blessings peanut man!
Linus

Auburn, ME

#18 Apr 1, 2010
Hey Spuds you should see what my road looks like heck you should see the lawn !! I for one wasnt for a FT fire Dept you think all of us want it noo but unless we have a selectman in our pocket then forget about it. The football will once again get pulled out from under us as we are about to kick it again when voting comes around !!
d thomson

Bellows Falls, VT

#19 Apr 1, 2010
hmmm
i think they make more then that off of saxtons river

2 men, 2 hrs a day, for 5 days at about $15.00 per man =$14400 a yr straight time, weekend duty 4 hours a weekend @$22.50 per hour =$4320.00 per year, which =$18720.00 per year total,
so 70,000.00 a year minus 18720.00 = 51280.00 a year figure in wear and tear for 10 miles per day on a vehicle which it takes to drive out there and the cost for the hours pro rated for inurance costs and beniffits for the men that are already payed for anyways ,and some ot now and then for break downs ,and lab work bf does for saxtons river,which amounts to about 3 hours a month if that,saxtons river pays for all above and beyond repairs and parts gas, electric ect,
these are close and not exact but you make your own decision if its a good deal, i think bf is getting a good deal at the rate they are charging now, and i think bf is crazy not to pipe the sewer to bf anyways,you would eliminate the hours to work at saxtons plant and all the maintnence and wear and tear and be able to use the meathane to produce heat ect for bellows falls plant,especialy if they take the storm water that goes into saxtons river plant way to much off of the system which should have been done years ago,saxtons should aproach chester or walpole and see what they would charge to run it or putney ect just to see if bf is way off
d thomson

Bellows Falls, VT

#20 Apr 1, 2010
oh and fyi it doesnt take 2 men per day to run that plant 2 hours a day per man is all it takes unless something breaks, so that would cut the 14400 in half per year, i ran it for a long time alone, the only time you really need 2 people is if something breaks and then maybe the best thing to do is have saxtons river pay the extra for breakdowns , so 7200.00 + 4320.00 for weekends is 11520.00 a year subtract that by 70000.00 = 58480.00 take out the insurance pro rated and the wear and tear for 10 miles a day and bf is getting a realy good deal. but im sure i will be told i am stupid or something for this but i have been there and know how it works, saxtons river plant is a nice simple working plant and cheap to run compared to some of the newer plants which use alot more electric and pumps to produce the air and move the solids

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