First red light camera going up

First red light camera going up

There are 16 comments on the News 4 Jax story from Jan 14, 2013, titled First red light camera going up. In it, News 4 Jax reports that:

Commuting around town could soon cost drivers if they're not careful thanks to new red light cameras being put up Monday morning.

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“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#1 Jan 14, 2013
OK I have a couple of observations about the logic of the Red Light Cameras and Sheriff Buford T. Justice (aka Sheriff John Rutherford) comments.

We are placing Red light cameras at intersections like Baymeadows Road and Southside Boulevard since it has the most traffic accidents with the goal to reduce those traffic accidents, at least that is what it seems is being implied.

Now keep in Mind that the city expects to make $1.5 million from red light camera fines this year which means over a 365 day year approximately 53 tickets a day, city wide will be required. Granted we know people are going to keep on running red lights because they do it now.

I did enjoy the comment from Sheriff Buford T. Justice, "Particularly when violators can go online and see themselves running the light six seconds before and six seconds after, that's pretty powerful stuff,"

ROTFLMAO…. How is this a powerful tool? Not saying it isn’t just a little curious of how it is.

One other small item; what if the drivers in Duval county use this “pretty powerful stuff” and stop running red lights which would be Great for driver safety and driving cost. Will Sheriff Buford T. Justice come crying to the City about the short fall in estimated revenue?

Just curious?
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#2 Jan 14, 2013
If it is anything like the ones ran in Iowa this will produce much less revenue and will ticket innocent drivers, in certain places these have actually decreased speed, lessened the amount of red-lights ran, but increased car accidents. These things will bring you nothing but misery. In iowa the GOP is working on a statewide ban the left stands in the way.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#3 Jan 14, 2013
DSM Local wrote:
If it is anything like the ones ran in Iowa this will produce much less revenue and will ticket innocent drivers, in certain places these have actually decreased speed, lessened the amount of red-lights ran, but increased car accidents. These things will bring you nothing but misery. In iowa the GOP is working on a statewide ban the left stands in the way.
Has anyone seen Data that red-light cameras decrease the numbers of accidents at intersection and not just those caused by red-light runners?
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#4 Jan 14, 2013
Red Light Cameras Increase Accidents

Red light cameras are touted as devices that increase intersection safety. However, information is quickly surfacing that shows the inaccuracy of that belief.

One source that is highlighting the increase in accidents is the media. Because so many studies are showing an increase in collisions at red light camera intersections, various news outlets are conducting their own studies in this phenomenon. Below is a small sampling of these reports.

Reports From The Media

Los Angeles | KCAL TV
A local TV station fact-checked the city's claims that their ticket cameras reduced accidents and found that the opposite was true. At 20 of the 32 intersections studied, accidents increased and several intersections tripled their accident rate.

Washington, D.C.| Washington Post
This report showed an overall increase in accidents at red-light camera intersections of 107 percent.

Portland, Oregon | KATU News
KATU News reviewed city statistics and found a 140 percent increase in rear-end crashes at the intersections where red light cameras were installed.

Fort Collins, Colorado | The Coloradoan
Ft. Collins, Colorado has experienced an 83 percent increase in the number of accidents since red light cameras were installed.

Oceanside, California | North County Times
This report showed a 800 percent increase in rear-end accidents.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Philadelphia Weekly
This article showed an increase of 10 to 21 percent in accidents in intersections with red-light cameras.

Corpus Christi, Texas | TheNewspaper.com
Data released by the city showed that the total number of accidents in Corpus Christi increased 14 percent, from 310 incidents to 353, at nine locations where automated ticketing machines were stationed. Contrary to the claim that red light cameras reduce the severity of collisions, the number of accidents involving injuries increased 28 percent from 140 to 179. Rear end collisions also increased by nearly a third from 160 to 208.

Winnipeg, Ontario | Winnipeg Sun
The average number of collisions at Winnipeg’s 12 original red-light camera intersections has jumped 18% since the devices were installed in 2003, according to Manitoba Public Insurance data obtained by the Winnipeg Sun. Despite claims by politicians and police brass that intersection cameras are making our streets safer by reducing collisions, the MPI data shows after six years of use, crashes at the intersections are actually going up, not down
http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/in...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#5 Jan 14, 2013
Worse idea ever..just more BIG BROTHER!!!!
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Worse idea ever..just more BIG BROTHER!!!!
WOW!!!

glad to see us agree
Kidnapped Angel

Orange Park, FL

#7 Jan 19, 2013
Two-fold purpose for this: revenue and invasion of privacy. Safety isn't the issue. It is the excuse.
Sal

Miami, FL

#9 Jan 21, 2013
Kidnapped Angel wrote:
Two-fold purpose for this: revenue and invasion of privacy. Safety isn't the issue. It is the excuse.
The irony is that all these so called "less" gvmt GOP Mayors are putting them up .

I expect it in Miami as 90% if not more of Miami Cuban politicos make the NY MAFIA look ethical (Marco Rubio's boys) but did not expect it all over Florida.

Yet these Tea party types seem to look the other way as their local GOP politicians re-write laws.

"The State of Florida does not allow you to be charged with a traffic infraction based on a camera. It has to be witnessed by a police officer. However, some cities are trying to get around that by passing their own law that says they can do it, and don't be misled, these cameras are there for one reason, to generate money for the city."

Read more: http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/helpmeh...
Sal

Miami, FL

#10 Jan 21, 2013
BTW as told to me by a newly retired police officer" Since the local towns collect the fines, the local politicians, their family and friends are above the law as their fines are dismissed.

I actually was indifferent to these cameras till started chatting with the guy and than began to look at them differently.
Sal

Miami, FL

#11 Jan 21, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Worse idea ever..just more BIG BROTHER!!!!
In Miami-dade which is the second worse run city in USA according to the latest Wall street ranking, the people drive like nuts and a lazy, inept, often corrupt Caribbean Keystone cop mentality doesn't help matters.

I initially thought the cameras were a good idea or at best I was indifferent but I have seen many take the lights , I mentioned it to a friend who recently retired from police and was told that the fines are reviewed by the city and many plates on the list are above the law.

This is in EVERY city in Florida and disgusting but sadly many are not aware of this.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12 Jan 21, 2013
The only one making money is the company who puts in the cameras...not the city. This is so against our 4th and 5th Amendments.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#13 Jan 21, 2013
When do the government cameras go up in your bedroom?
Sal

Miami, FL

#14 Jan 21, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
The only one making money is the company who puts in the cameras...not the city. This is so against our 4th and 5th Amendments.
Oh no the city gets a percentage and this is why they have done it, if the camera company was the only one making money no mayor would go for it.
Sal

Miami, FL

#15 Jan 21, 2013
In NY the tickets are $50 and in Florida they are twice that but either way the city does get a percentage which is why no one is fooled by the premise that it is done for our safety.

Neither you nor I have ever run a red light but we realize the scam behind these lights.
I have had to take the long way from work because due to the "accordion effect" of the drivers here I do not want to get caught in an intersection.
In Miami-dade the Mayors own son is big honcho for the company, talk about lack of ethics.

"Red-Light Cameras Help Cash-Strapped Cities"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49200378/RedLight_Came...

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#16 Jan 21, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
The only one making money is the company who puts in the cameras...not the city. This is so against our 4th and 5th Amendments.
Selecia,
You better tell that to the city so they do not spend the estimated $1.5 million from red light camera fines.
Kidnapped Angel

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Jan 21, 2013
Sal wrote:
In NY the tickets are $50 and in Florida they are twice that but either way the city does get a percentage which is why no one is fooled by the premise that it is done for our safety.
Neither you nor I have ever run a red light but we realize the scam behind these lights.
I have had to take the long way from work because due to the "accordion effect" of the drivers here I do not want to get caught in an intersection.
In Miami-dade the Mayors own son is big honcho for the company, talk about lack of ethics.
"Red-Light Cameras Help Cash-Strapped Cities"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49200378/RedLight_Came...
I agree that is is a scam, and I agree that the "officials" can have their citations withheld for (at most) a minimal court cost fee. No points assessed and poof it's over. The rest of us have to play by the rules.

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