Your opinion on Gun control, leave th...

Your opinion on Gun control, leave the "trolling" at the door

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Since: Apr 11

Cookeville, TN

#1 Jan 17, 2013
I am a gun owner. I myself own a semi-automatic 22 rifle that holds 15 bullets (16th in chamber. I rarely fire the rifle and keep it only for protection. With that out of the way, what is your honest opinion on gun legislation, and what should be done? Should average American civilians--mentally ill or not--be allowed to carry military assault weapons? The second amendment states, "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The key words in the amendment are "well Regulated militia, being necessary...shall not be infringed upon". Did the founders mean that only an organized militia--ala state national guards--or did they mean that anyone who suspects tyranny is allowed to carry assault weapons (which did not exist at the time)? Thomas Jefferson stated that this amendment should be looked at and revised to correlate with the times. I personally cannot see a reasonable argument for an average citizen to own a fully automatic ak-15, whether for hunting--which I feel takes the challenge out of hunting and is overkill-- or for personal pleasure, but I am open minded and thus open to any opinions. Anyway, since this is a gun state, I ask why should assault weapons, high capacity mags, or cop killer bullets be allowed to be sold? Based on statistics from other nations and states, areas where there has been a ban on such weapons has decreased the amount of shootings, and victims of shootings (guy has to reload and fire a pistol one pull at a time, increasing chance of escape or retaliation) so the argument that "bad guys will be able to run wild" doesn't fly unless you have supporting evidence. Lemme know what you guys think, as I feel this could be a good/civilized debate where we could (as a country) actually make a difference as this issue is not completely subjugated to party lines or ideals.

“I am what you wish you are.”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#2 Jan 17, 2013
cjdub, I see the problem as not really being "gun control" but rather "gun safety". As you and I both know, "unloaded" guns kill more people than loaded ones. That little 22 will not put a person down; it will only piss them off when you shoot them.**LOL**
Better and more thorough background checks will help remedy situation, Maybe?
Hal

Byhalia, MS

#3 Jan 17, 2013
Obumer is just wanting to become world leader . Get rid of guns more power his way get rid of ammo what good r guns? They will probly pass that law of getting rid of ammo because noone will see the bigger picture of it!!
Fred Rogers

Medina, TN

#4 Jan 17, 2013
Hal wrote:
Obumer is just wanting to become world leader . Get rid of guns more power his way get rid of ammo what good r guns? They will probly pass that law of getting rid of ammo because noone will see the bigger picture of it!!
This is such a stupid argument. What good are assault rifles against jet-fighters, attack helicopters, or tanks? See, that's the stuff our military has. If you think owning a semi-automatic assault rifle is going to do anything to deter the US armed forces from wiping your house of the face of the earth, then I'd like to sell you some nifty magic beans. Seriously, they're magic.

Here's the thing, though: you know what kind of people make up the US armed forces? Americans. Just regular people. They are not robots under the complete control of the President. Do people really think that your average soldier is going to go along with some evil master plan to start murdering vast numbers of citizens? And what would this plan accomplish anyway?

I see posts like yours all the time. All I see is misguided fear and paranoia. Nobody ever follows these thoughts out to their logical conclusion.

I do agree with the opinion that high-capacity magazines have no legitimate purpose for civilians. If someone wants their fun to outweigh their own safety, fine. Go race dirt bikes or something. When your fun puts others at risk of massacres like the recent ones, your fun is no longer of any concern. Find a new hobby.
Lol

United States

#5 Jan 17, 2013
Well cjdub i dont see why you cant do a little research before starting a topic. I dont know what a ak-15 is. Now i have a ak- 47 & a ar-15. Both are not fully automatic. I have seen a lot if each but they was all semi - automatic.
It seems to me it is difficult to get. 223 ammo now. All the research i've done seems the government is buying them. Then they will raise price then release them back in circulation
Constitution WARRIOR

Jackson, TN

#6 Jan 17, 2013
Fred Rogers wrote:
<quoted text>This is such a stupid argument. What good are assault rifles against jet-fighters, attack helicopters, or tanks? See, that's the stuff our military has. If you think owning a semi-automatic assault rifle is going to do anything to deter the US armed forces from wiping your house of the face of the earth, then I'd like to sell you some nifty magic beans. Seriously, they're magic.

Here's the thing, though: you know what kind of people make up the US armed forces? Americans. Just regular people. They are not robots under the complete control of the President. Do people really think that your average soldier is going to go along with some evil master plan to start murdering vast numbers of citizens? And what would this plan accomplish anyway?

I see posts like yours all the time. All I see is misguided fear and paranoia. Nobody ever follows these thoughts out to their logical conclusion.

I do agree with the opinion that high-capacity magazines have no legitimate purpose for civilians. If someone wants their fun to outweigh their own safety, fine. Go race dirt bikes or something. When your fun puts others at risk of massacres like the recent ones, your fun is no longer of any concern. Find a new hobby.
FYI, I have served and have many friends in the armed forces and have asked them if they would uphold an UNCONSTITUTIONAL order! Guess what!!! Not only did they say NO, but said they would take their skills and knowledge gained from being in the military and REVOLT!!!

The tanks that will be rolling down our streets, if any, will be those with UN wrote on the side!!! And to tell ya the truth, anything with UN on it will be a mighty fine target for those who do revolt!!!
Lol

United States

#7 Jan 17, 2013
If they change the constitution whats next? Civil rights? Thoughts? Where you can go? Freedom of speach?
Lol

Byhalia, MS

#8 Jan 17, 2013
^ they already have taken most of our freedom away...land of the free why do we pay taxes?! On everything we get in trouble for slandering it takes forever to fly anywhere so i dont know we dont have privacy no more they can spy on us listen to calls

Since: Apr 11

Sparta, TN

#9 Jan 17, 2013
ChopperBlades wrote:
cjdub, I see the problem as not really being "gun control" but rather "gun safety". As you and I both know, "unloaded" guns kill more people than loaded ones. That little 22 will not put a person down; it will only piss them off when you shoot them.**LOL**
Better and more thorough background checks will help remedy situation, Maybe?
I wont even reply to the obamaphobs--as soon as I see someone blatantly attacking our president without re-enforcing the statement with facts, I immediately ignore the post. Didn't vote for him, but he is still the president--as they provide no service to the actual debate and issue at hand. That aside, to lol, I meant ar-15 (you knew what I meant, but I knew someone would call me out on it so I should have edited the post), which can be converted (and has been) to a fully automatic. Google it. I may not know as much about guns as you. I was simply trying to open a dialogue, but you may insult me if you wish. Instead of boasting about how much you know lol, explain to me why we need to allow people (average citizens) to own fully automatic assault weapons other than an unfounded fear of a government takeover because I believe if the government wanted to take over, an assault weapons not going to bring down a predator drone or a tank, but any other ideas or thoughts I am open too.

@Chopper- That is a well thought out statement and I fully agree. Background checks are suppose to be done in professional gun businesses, but gun shows and private sales are not relegated to background checks, so I believe your remedy is a good one. Regulate, enforce--which we do not do very well--and deepen the background checks and that would solve quite a bit of problems. and yea, heh, a little .22 isn't going to do much, but I bet if I pull that trigger about 5 times it'll at least get the intruder thinking before he comes at me.:P

Since: Apr 11

Sparta, TN

#10 Jan 17, 2013
Lol wrote:
If they change the constitution whats next? Civil rights? Thoughts? Where you can go? Freedom of speach?
Dude, you are taking this topic in a direction I did not intend. You may know a lot about guns, but you obviously have no clue as to how our branches of government work. The supreme court, the house, the senate, and the state governments would all intervene and/or rise up faster than the scary boogey man called Obama could even think about changing the constitution, banning all guns, or taking over the country as you are so apparently afraid of. I don't like him, but damn dude, get a hold of yourself. You sound like a paranoid extremist. The democrats said the same things about bush and what happened? I believe--as of right now--bush did more damage to our country and national debt (remember the wars were trying to get out of right now?)than Obama has so far. Anyway, lets please stick to the topic, which is gun control.

Again, chopper, thank you (and thank you to others) for posting a real and thought provoking response.
chucky

Terrell, TX

#11 Jan 17, 2013
Its very true ...restricting the amount of bullets your magazine will hold or you are allowed to have in them could very well save lives ... A Criminals life !...one that breaks in your home stand a better chance in living & overpowering you because it puts one less bullet in your gun...... This whole thing is to put people in a new classification , to classify obama & his party's opposers as "criminal" by law. This means YOU ! We have to be demonized as Crimnals first . Basically if you are Chistian or stand and oppose antiGOD beliefs you have to be depicted as the problem. This is why the constitution is offensive , so it has to be changed as law so to lessen the chance of a revolt. New york was 1st ,next week california. They are bankrupt & want that Obama $$$.
serial

Pine Bluff, AR

#12 Jan 18, 2013
In places with less guns there is less shooting? That's a truly interesting and absolutely meaningless factoid. How many stabbings or other violent murders are there?
Fred Rogers

Humboldt, TN

#13 Jan 18, 2013
chucky wrote:
Its very true ...restricting the amount of bullets your magazine will hold or you are allowed to have in them could very well save lives ... A Criminals life !...one that breaks in your home stand a better chance in living & overpowering you because it puts one less bullet in your gun...... This whole thing is to put people in a new classification , to classify obama & his party's opposers as "criminal" by law. This means YOU ! We have to be demonized as Crimnals first . Basically if you are Chistian or stand and oppose antiGOD beliefs you have to be depicted as the problem. This is why the constitution is offensive , so it has to be changed as law so to lessen the chance of a revolt. New york was 1st ,next week california. They are bankrupt & want that Obama $$$.
Dude, if you think you need hundred-round "nuts" on your AK to defend your home, then you have lost your mind. This is not Mad Max. There are not roving bands of heavily-armed raiders stalking Hardin County.

Still, I wonder if Jesus would have preferred Glock, Sig Sauer, or Smith and Wesson. Any thoughts?

“I am what you wish you are.”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#14 Jan 18, 2013
Fred, Jesus would have turned the other cheek as he did so many times as he was nailed to that cross for the likes of me and hopefully you as well.

Since: Apr 11

Savannah, TN

#15 Jan 18, 2013
Chucky has his view and is entitled to it, though I'm not really sure what he is getting at. I'm a Christian and I don't remember the last time I was demonized to the point that I felt like I needed to pull out an assault rifle for fear of controlled chaos enforced by the government, but to each his own. What I did understand was your comment and view about the constitution, which I believed is flawed. Even our founding fathers said that there will be times that changes may/must be made to accommodate the times (ala school shootings, womens rights, equality, and so on). And no one has even mentioned the fact that the second amendment clearly uses the word "militia". Thoughts on that?

Serial, you make a good point. Getting rid of guns (which I do not support as I have clearly expressed) would not solve the problem of violence in general. I simply narrowed the topic down to gun control. You are correct (if I am understanding you correctly) that we do need to address the growing trend of violence itself be it with a knife, or a gun. As for the "factoid" you call meaningless, is it meaningless that other nations that have stricter gun laws have less school shootings, thus protecting our children? Again, it's all about prospective and your opinion is valid.

Fred- Thank you and I agree. That was one of the points I was intending to make. Love the added sarcasm.:p

Chopper, you are right and I feel that this county, state, and country should really consider the passage where it states, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". On the day of Obama's first inauguration, gun sales sky-rocketed because the NRA (not the members of NRA, even a majority of the NRA members agree with stricter gun control) told everyone Obama was going to take our guns away, so we demonized the president and anyone who was associated with the democratic party. The NRA did the same thing with Bush when he campaigned for tighter gun laws. This really should not be a party-line issue, and people should not pass judgment without knowing the real facts.

To add to the discussion, what do you think about the mentally ill argument? I agree that a violently mentally ill person should not carry firearms. The NRA's president even said the same thing (though they campaigned against such legislation in the past). I see the NRA as using the mentally ill as a scapegoat based on the merit that they were against background checks on the mentally ill, but that doesn't take away from the fact that there is some truth in their "flip flopping". Thoughts?
He's doing it

Wildersville, TN

#16 Jan 18, 2013
Fred Rogers wrote:
<quoted text>This is such a stupid argument. What good are assault rifles against jet-fighters, attack helicopters, or tanks? See, that's the stuff our military has. If you think owning a semi-automatic assault rifle is going to do anything to deter the US armed forces from wiping your house of the face of the earth, then I'd like to sell you some nifty magic beans. Seriously, they're magic.

Here's the thing, though: you know what kind of people make up the US armed forces? Americans. Just regular people. They are not robots under the complete control of the President. Do people really think that your average soldier is going to go along with some evil master plan to start murdering vast numbers of citizens? And what would this plan accomplish anyway?

I see posts like yours all the time. All I see is misguided fear and paranoia. Nobody ever follows these thoughts out to their logical conclusion.

I do agree with the opinion that high-capacity magazines have no legitimate purpose for civilians. If someone wants their fun to outweigh their own safety, fine. Go race dirt bikes or something. When your fun puts others at risk of massacres like the recent ones, your fun is no longer of any concern. Find a new hobby.
I always luv idiots like this. What is a assault rifle? What makes a rifle a assault rifle? You know nothing about guns or what the hell your talking about. Abortions have killed more children here in the US than guns ever will. Lets stop that 1st then let's talk gun. How bout that?

“I am what you wish you are.”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17 Jan 18, 2013
There are sometimes a valid reason for a mother to abort; there is never a reason to massacre anyone of any age.
He's doing it

Wildersville, TN

#18 Jan 18, 2013
ChopperBlades wrote:
There are sometimes a valid reason for a mother to abort; there is never a reason to massacre anyone of any age.
Very true but I never said their was.

“I am what you wish you are.”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#19 Jan 18, 2013
As I never said you did.
dang

United States

#20 Jan 18, 2013
This could be the dick tator Obama's down fall!! I think every American the right to own what ever kind of weapons our Government Officers carry. Webas citizens have the right to protect ourselves again tyranny such as the kind Obama is tryin to create! Anyone who doesn't see it comin is one blind m fer! This country is heaed toward shit, exactly were Obama wants the USA! You idiots can stand for what ever but this shit the dick tators tryin, isnt gonna pass! To many if us gun nuts that Love to protect our children an our freedoms an our rights that will stand against anything less then this. So, say what you want but alot of you will feel different when you have no way to protect yoir familys! I can tell by reading some of your comments about half of you are pussies anywaz! Wonder how your wifez an such would feel knowing you would give up your rights to protect them? Feel sorry for them not having a real mn an all!

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