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Move to historic Savannah.

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neworleansGregg

United States

#1 Apr 18, 2007
I want to buy a fixer upper in a Historic Area of Savannah. I have lived in Charleston,Chicago and New Orleans and am aware of city living ( crime,etc.)When I punch in my price range ($100-150k ) I see some nice houses , but all are on other side of Anderson. Can anyone tell me about this area and any other areas I should look at? Thanks.
scottwest

Savannah, GA

#2 Apr 18, 2007
Hi Gregg,
I moved to Savannah 2 years ago, I purchased on first street south of Anderson - on 800 block of 31st street,(That's 8 blocks EAST of Bull Street.
In my humble opinion -its where the deals are now - area is transistional, but more and more is happening in the area - a developr friend from San Fransisco, just bought 9 houses !! and is developing them.
I love the Crafstman architecture of this area, as it transistions from Victorian into early 1900s.
Email me if youd like to chat
[email protected]

crime

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#3 May 11, 2007
make sure you have a nice size guard dog, and a handgun, ....and really good car insurance because you have a really good chanc of having your car stolen in Savannah. The crime in Savannah is higher than any city the same size, ANYWHERE...
todd

Alexandria, VA

#4 May 14, 2007
why dont you look in mondays newspaper and it will tell you where the crime is
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#5 May 18, 2007
The real crime is that all of the black people are being pushed out of the city so that white people can have cute houses and imagine that they live in Tara.

To me Savannah is in danger of becoming Charleston--a city-wide, living museum to celebrate white supremacy.
todd

Alexandria, VA

#6 May 25, 2007
Mario Delgado wrote:
The real crime is that all of the black people are being pushed out of the city so that white people can have cute houses and imagine that they live in Tara.
To me Savannah is in danger of becoming Charleston--a city-wide, living museum to celebrate white supremacy.
once again someone of another color shows his true nature. your comment not only shows your immaturity, racist and complete ignorance
at some point in your life you have to quit blaming others for your failures.amazing how latinos run to america to better themselves while another group of people work harder at not working. If you put as much effort as you do in trying beat the system into something positive I'd be glad to have you as a neighbor. there is no dought your racist thoughts are depriving your children of a better life ,if that means anything to you. please dont let me try to change your racist thoughts. maybe one day if your brain ever matures you may regret never trying to get out and actually make something positive from your negative thoughts, but you'll problably pass on your racist beliefs to your children. the meantime me and my latino neighbor have no thoughts or cares about your problems.anyone who puts more money into gold teeth and big rims on their hoopties instead of helping to buy diapers or improving the neighborhood. GOOD LUCK.

crime

Since: Dec 06

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#7 May 25, 2007
todd wrote:
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once again someone of another color shows his true nature. your comment not only shows your immaturity, racist and complete ignorance
at some point in your life you have to quit blaming others for your failures.amazing how latinos run to america to better themselves while another group of people work harder at not working. If you put as much effort as you do in trying beat the system into something positive I'd be glad to have you as a neighbor. there is no dought your racist thoughts are depriving your children of a better life ,if that means anything to you. please dont let me try to change your racist thoughts. maybe one day if your brain ever matures you may regret never trying to get out and actually make something positive from your negative thoughts, but you'll problably pass on your racist beliefs to your children. the meantime me and my latino neighbor have no thoughts or cares about your problems.anyone who puts more money into gold teeth and big rims on their hoopties instead of helping to buy diapers or improving the neighborhood. GOOD LUCK.
Todd, excellent response!
Mario Delgado

Wendell, NC

#8 May 25, 2007
todd wrote:
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once again someone of another color shows his true nature. your comment not only shows your immaturity, racist and complete ignorance
at some point in your life you have to quit blaming others for your failures.amazing how latinos run to america to better themselves while another group of people work harder at not working. If you put as much effort as you do in trying beat the system into something positive I'd be glad to have you as a neighbor. there is no dought your racist thoughts are depriving your children of a better life ,if that means anything to you. please dont let me try to change your racist thoughts. maybe one day if your brain ever matures you may regret never trying to get out and actually make something positive from your negative thoughts, but you'll problably pass on your racist beliefs to your children. the meantime me and my latino neighbor have no thoughts or cares about your problems.anyone who puts more money into gold teeth and big rims on their hoopties instead of helping to buy diapers or improving the neighborhood. GOOD LUCK.
What other color would that be? I'm actually whiter than just about any white person I know and I have deep roots in Savannah on my mother's side going back to the 19th century. You jump to some conclusions based on my spanish surname? That's weak.

The fact remains that Savannah's "revival" has come at the expense of many African Americans who have been forced out of historic district onto their homelands at the periphery. They have not shared equally in the fruits of the city's revitalization.

I do believe that tourism in Savannah is driven in part by a fascination with an imagined antebellum past--a fantasy rooted in some white people's desire to return to the racial hierarchies of slavery. I'm suggesting only that we be honest about our history. That is why the recent revelations regarding the city's ownership of slaves was so controversial. No one really wanted to touch it (even many black politicians were made uncomfortable).

Lastly, I think your assumptions about my presumed lack of success and your comments about "big rims" and "gold teeth" reveal your own intellectual limitations and lack of imagination. Some might call that racism--I'm reluctant to do that as I think the word is much abused these days.

crime

Since: Dec 06

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#9 May 25, 2007
Mario Delgado wrote:
<quoted text> What other color would that be? I'm actually whiter than just about any white person I know and I have deep roots in Savannah on my mother's side going back to the 19th century. You jump to some conclusions based on my spanish surname? That's weak.
The fact remains that Savannah's "revival" has come at the expense of many African Americans who have been forced out of historic district onto their homelands at the periphery. They have not shared equally in the fruits of the city's revitalization.
I do believe that tourism in Savannah is driven in part by a fascination with an imagined antebellum past--a fantasy rooted in some white people's desire to return to the racial hierarchies of slavery. I'm suggesting only that we be honest about our history. That is why the recent revelations regarding the city's ownership of slaves was so controversial. No one really wanted to touch it (even many black politicians were made uncomfortable).
Lastly, I think your assumptions about my presumed lack of success and your comments about "big rims" and "gold teeth" reveal your own intellectual limitations and lack of imagination. Some might call that racism--I'm reluctant to do that as I think the word is much abused these days.
Mario, my family has been in Savannah since 1733...and the historic district that had become the derelict and rundown "black areas" by the late 1960's and early 1970's....were in fact previously well to do white areas before the black people moved in....when my Grandmother lived on E 37th St, her house was a huge spralling yellow painted house with a beautiful porch and big pots of red geraniums on each side of the stairs....when she died and the house was sold off in the late 1960's, it never got painted again, it was rundown and not repaired, it looked like a abadoned house by the 1980's....I remember all those areas near the Bull Street library when they were nice old white people in them and they were well cared for homes,....Balck people did nothing to that area except run it in the ground and bring in the crime!! The Whites are merely reclaiming it!!
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#10 May 25, 2007
since you have such deep roots in savannah, i don't need to tell you that well into the 1980s black people were systematically denied loans through redlining and denied most jobs in savannah except for menial labor (occasional small business owner/teacher excepted). that's why "black people did nothing to that area except run it in the ground".

the black woman who wiped your ass and made your lunch did so not because she liked it, or she wasn't qualified for better work--it was because she was denied equal access to jobs, housing and education.

moreover, the historic district in the 19th century was far more integrated than it is now. you had a mix of freed middle class black/servants houses/and of course the middle class/working class and rich whites. savannah currently only celebrates the legacy of the white ruling class.

crime

Since: Dec 06

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#11 May 26, 2007
Mario Delgado wrote:
since you have such deep roots in savannah, i don't need to tell you that well into the 1980s black people were systematically denied loans through redlining and denied most jobs in savannah except for menial labor (occasional small business owner/teacher excepted). that's why "black people did nothing to that area except run it in the ground".
the black woman who wiped your ass and made your lunch did so not because she liked it, or she wasn't qualified for better work--it was because she was denied equal access to jobs, housing and education.
moreover, the historic district in the 19th century was far more integrated than it is now. you had a mix of freed middle class black/servants houses/and of course the middle class/working class and rich whites. savannah currently only celebrates the legacy of the white ruling class.
Mario, you are frigging insane!....
You have read a book and think you KNOW Savannah?
Savannah is now, and has always been , predominately black....there is a black "elite" class in Savannah that has been there as long as many white people with roots there, like myself...
There has always been a black business growth in Savannah. The past two mayors have been black, the majority of the city council is black,...the Black people of Savannah even have a yearly Black Debutante Ball, that is HISTORIC.....and Savannah State College is a HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITY!!!...what the hell are you talking about, how Blacks were and still are so "disenfranchised"?? LOL!!!...Tell it all to someone that does not know maybe, but do not try that on me!!
Whent he Northern schools were rioting in the 1960's because of federally ordered desegregation,...we had been going to school together in Savannah for many years and could not understand the riots!...I remember playing at the playground behind the colonial cemetary with black children....no problem...there was always black people and white people living close to one another in Savannah, maybe living different lives, but yet together...the place was too small and with the majority of the population being black, one could not avoid it.
So stop trying to pass your lies as facts, I was there.....during the 1950's...1960's...1970's...198 0's...etc....
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#12 May 27, 2007
Your are unfamiliar with even the basics of Savannah black history, underscoring my point that white Savannah has attempted to create a separate world for itself. And largely succeeded!

Savannah public schools did not desegregate until the 1970s and only then because it was court ordered. Most white people pulled their children at that point and put them in new all white academies. You'll remember that in 1989 alderman Robert Robinson was killed by a letter bomb for attempting to protect the desegregation plan.

In the early 1960s--black people carried out an 18-month boycott of merchants on Broughton St. to desegregate those stories. Some chose to close rather than integrate.

There was even a fight (wade ins) at Tybee to integrate the beaches and the ocean in the 1960s. Long after the ocean was desegregated, black people were discouraged from swimming anywhere except for at the far North End.

Some of these struggles began in the 1950s and 1960s, but the benefits of integration were not fully enjoyed by most black savannahians until many years later.

Indeed some Savannah black people have carved out a middle class existence within the confines of segregation, but to suggest a harmonious and egalitarian past is pure fancy.

I would suggest a visit to the Gilbert civil rights museum on MLK, though I suspect you don't get over that way much.
todd

Alexandria, VA

#13 May 27, 2007
dear mario
i never even considered a thought about whether you are latino, black, white, asian,american indian or any other labelling you can come up with.
you sound intelligent but just a little misguided or ignorant for labelling someone because they dont see your point of view about the crime here in sav.
this gets me to laugh at one of your so called facts. why on earth would the WHITE man would only let the poor black folk only go to the beach on the north end when the current flows south? since most people from the area know about the ocean why would they swim in water that has been tainted by the black man pass them?
I live on 55th st. I can go 6 blocks north or 10 blocks south and see run down yards, lil' hoodies and beer cans laying around. how on earth can that be a white man's problem when they choose not to clean themselves up. is it my fault that (you)cannot even spend a moment to pick up your trash.
I'd like to have another answer that has come to my attention lately. this thing about a SNITCH; what kind of a mentallity is that from? do you like living in the kind of enviroment that lets your kids get you drug hook-ups on sat. morning?
please explain what on earth is it going to take for me and the WHITE man to help the black people such as yourself to help yourselves and become an upstanding individuals. at some point you have to quit blaming others and take responsibility for something in your life.
The US dept. of education has even lowered its standards in order to give you a chance to improve yourself.
todd

Alexandria, VA

#14 May 27, 2007
nadra enzi is nothing more than a provoking bigot, who looks for challenging ways to start a racist argument. his 'my space' clearly defines this along with his political views shows that he does not have a positive agenda, only racist and womanizing(black or white).
I guess every failure that the black man has comes back to the white man.
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#15 May 28, 2007
todd wrote:
you sound intelligent but just a little misguided or ignorant for labelling someone because they dont see your point of view about the crime here in sav.
this gets me to laugh at one of your so called facts. why on earth would the WHITE man would only let the poor black folk only go to the beach on the north end when the current flows south? since most people from the area know about the ocean why would they swim in water that has been tainted by the black man pass them?
I live on 55th st. I can go 6 blocks north or 10 blocks south and see run down yards, lil' hoodies and beer cans laying around. how on earth can that be a white man's problem when they choose not to clean themselves up. is it my fault that (you)cannot even spend a moment to pick up your trash.
I'd like to have another answer that has come to my attention lately. this thing about a SNITCH; what kind of a mentallity is that from? do you like living in the kind of enviroment that lets your kids get you drug hook-ups on sat. morning?
please explain what on earth is it going to take for me and the WHITE man to help the black people such as yourself to help yourselves and become an upstanding individuals. at some point you have to quit blaming others and take responsibility for something in your life.
The US dept. of education has even lowered its standards in order to give you a chance to improve yourself.
Hi Todd: Please show me where I labeled somebody? I try to be very careful about not labeling people.

Regarding Tybee: Black people were confined to the north end because white residents lived on the numbered streets and the south end was where the old pier, hotels, and other amusements were located. The north end (by Screven) was largely deserted and as I recall rather rocky. That is where black people generally swam in the 1970s and 1980s. Before the 1960s of course the beaches/ocean were all white. My mother tells me that she remembers black people swimming very late at night. So they would come down from the city late in the evening after whites had mostly left the beach. Now going back to the 1930s and 1940s there were the last remnants of black fishing communities who lived at the back river. I assume they swam in the river, but don't know whether they swam there in the presence of whites.

With regards to your other questions, I cannot speak for black people. I can only provide some of the history which should give you a more balanced picture of why contemporary Savannah is contemporary Savannah. In other words, segregation has passed, but the legacies will be with us for years to come. You cannot systematically deny people a right to jobs, housing, and education and expect them to catch up as soon as segregation is struck down.
todd

Alexandria, VA

#16 May 28, 2007
Savannah was the first city in Georgia with desegregated lunch counters. He also helped to integrate the Nancy Hanks, the South's first passenger train, and the public beach on Tybee Island. In 1962 King acknowledged Williams's role in making Savannah the most integrated city in the South.

crime

Since: Dec 06

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#17 May 28, 2007
Mario Delgado wrote:
Your are unfamiliar with even the basics of Savannah black history, underscoring my point that white Savannah has attempted to create a separate world for itself. And largely succeeded!
Savannah public schools did not desegregate until the 1970s and only then because it was court ordered. Most white people pulled their children at that point and put them in new all white academies. You'll remember that in 1989 alderman Robert Robinson was killed by a letter bomb for attempting to protect the desegregation plan.
In the early 1960s--black people carried out an 18-month boycott of merchants on Broughton St. to desegregate those stories. Some chose to close rather than integrate.
There was even a fight (wade ins) at Tybee to integrate the beaches and the ocean in the 1960s. Long after the ocean was desegregated, black people were discouraged from swimming anywhere except for at the far North End.
Some of these struggles began in the 1950s and 1960s, but the benefits of integration were not fully enjoyed by most black savannahians until many years later.
Indeed some Savannah black people have carved out a middle class existence within the confines of segregation, but to suggest a harmonious and egalitarian past is pure fancy.
I would suggest a visit to the Gilbert civil rights museum on MLK, though I suspect you don't get over that way much.
I remember shopping in Kress's on Broughton Street in 1959, and there were black people shopping there also!!!!
I remember my Grandmothers maid taking us to the Bargin Corner with her to get Groceries!!!
I remember that same maid and her own children swimming with us at Tybee in 1962...
I remember going to school with a black girl named Linda Grant at Gould Elementary School in the 1960's!!!!
I think you are crazy!!!
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#18 May 28, 2007
All of your memories are correct.

The boycott on Broughton St. was over their failure to hire black people; black people were not allowed to eat at the lunch counters and with some of the shops they had to enter from a back entrace. Also, black people had to wait in line until all white patrons had been serviced. Most merchants eventually agreed after almost 2 years of intense protests (the theaters remained segregated for awhile after--until after the civil rights bill of 1964 I believe)

Tybee "wade in" protests began in late 1961 I believe, but wade ins continued throughout the 60s. You may remember your maid swimming with you in 1962, but did you ever stop to wonder where the rest of black Savannah swam? Probably you didn't.

Also, the first black students in white Savannah public schools (since the 19th century) were in 1963 (nine years after Brown v. Board). However, Savannah dragged its feet and only allowed a few black students in to each grade. It became such a farce that the federal government intervened and had to force integration on the schools in 1970. This led to major violence in the public schools--especially middle and high schools.

DOn't you think it's odd that you remember 1 black student in a black majority city? That's hardly integration.

Nevertheless, white parents arranged an alternative--all white "christian" academies like Country Day (1955), Memorial (1971) Calvary (1961) etc. All of these were set up as a response to desegregation. All of them also received local tax subsidies in their early years, even though black children could not attend.
todd

Alexandria, VA

#19 May 28, 2007
enough already of you basking in all this hatred. I've seen enough to know that when I pass one of the many squares downtown and see all the brothers panhandling during daytime hours all the while across the street I see latino's working for money at a job.
can you explain to me why these black guys reeking of beer asking tourist for money while work is going on all around them?
I'd like to know why the education standards have been lowered so that more students will pass and stay in school and they still quit.
If an apology from me will change things then by god I apologize.
now can you apologize for not helping make a POSITIVE impact on the youth in your community.I see more racism and bigots from a majority of blacks in savannah.
now that you've expressed your hatred of the white man can you not go about your business and show the youth that the easy way is not always the best way.most people have to work for a living.NOT by robbing, stealing or selling drugs.
get over the past and start living in the future, no one really cares if you decide to lay around while latino's are willing to work to get ahead. It's kind of sad to see that your not trying to improve your standards and it gives nothing to your children as a role model that breeds hate.
reality check; not all white people owned slaves or looked down on them.
what kind of a positive impact have you had on the youth in your community-make something up if you need to, I'll understand.
Mario Delgado

Pittsboro, NC

#20 May 29, 2007
How am I basking in hatred? I don't believe I've said anything hateful here. Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is part of our shared history.

And I don't think I asked for any apology. I don't want guilt or defensiveness. Just honesty. You didn't choose to grow up in segregation, that's not your fault. But you can be honest about the advantages that it gave you.

The point of my posts is that the black drunks in the squares are a legacy of segregation. We know that was a long time ago, but the black sons of maids and garbage men are at a distinct disadvantage to the white sons of bankers, teachers, doctors, merchants, and white collar city employees.

Our task is to be honest about the legacies of hate, and to constructively come together around solutions. But what I see from much of Savannah is fear, separation, and a mind-numbing celebration of Old South values.

Not all mind you. There are positive developments. But unless we want to become Charleston, Hilton Head or the Epcot of the Old South, we need to recognize past conflicts, contradictions and tensions--and work together for a democratic and diverse Savannah.

And that's why I'm throwing my hat into the ring this coming ...(just kidding).

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