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ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11047 May 14, 2013
Things ARE getting bad for the White House this week:

New charges have been levied against the Obama administration. Apparently a junior purchasing agent with the Department of Agriculture working out the Boise, ID office came back from lunch 10 minutes late yesterday. When asked about it Obama responded with "I wasn't aware of it".

Republication Congressional leaders cited the need for a Select Committee on Lunch Lateness. They want to find out exactly WHAT Obama knows and when he knew it. Rand Paul is calling for the immediate dismissal of EVERYBODY.

During the same interview the same Congressional leaders were asked about their latest legislation designed to bolster the housing market and their latest jobs bill. They responded with a blank stare.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11048 May 14, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
OBAMA: No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation — Obama, Rose Garden, Sept. 12
Butt, butt, butt...

"An act of terror is different than a terrorist attack."
- Darrell Issa

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11049 May 14, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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It's this:
OBAMA: No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation — Obama, Rose Garden, Sept. 12
And this:
“We want to send a message all around the world — anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America.”
— Obama, campaign event in Las Vegas, Sept. 13
And this:
“I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.”
— Obama, campaign event in Golden, Colo., Sept. 13
I'm not sure why you're asking, Tea Party Aggie. You've been exposed to this information, but now you're acting as if you've never heard it.
There's no logic. It's as if the dots just don't connect for some of you witch-hunters.
Excuse me, CB. Just quoting what the man said. In his press conference yesterday he stated that "the day after it happened, I acknowledged it was an act of terrorism...."

Kroft's interview: "Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya attack.
Obama: Right."

Your reference to the Rose Garden speech is the very speech Kroft describes as being written to "avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya attack." To which, Obama agreed.

It's irrelevant, but I'll go ahead and point out that your quotes from Sept 13 are moot - Obama yesterday referred specifically to the 12th. And the wording was carefully crafted "no act of terror" - vague and could be talking about many various incidents, does not specifically call out 11 Sept 2012. Politicians are very adept at parsing words to give them as much wiggle room as possible.

On another point, you seem now be addressing me as Tea Party Aggie - not accurate, but I presume you think it is a pejorative. Wrong. I admire people who stand up for their convictions and who stand up and fight for the reputation of this country and what it has represented and what it can again. I am in complete agreement with most of their platform - so feel free to call me that if you wish, I'll take it as a compliment.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11050 May 14, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Butt, butt, butt...
"An act of terror is different than a terrorist attack."
- Darrell Issa
LOL!- Only to Grand Inquisitor Issa.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11051 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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Kroft's interview: "Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya attack.
Obama: Right."
I couldn't find a full text of the transcript. Perhaps you could point me towards it.

What I did find repeatedly was this:

Kroft: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya attack. Do you believe that this was a terrorist attack?

Obama: Well it's too early to know exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11052 May 14, 2013
Hey, My fellow Righties:
Watch out, I think the Lefties on here are losing it. They see that the Left wing media has realized that they can no longer keep covering for Obama and expect to retain any shred of credibility. Consequently, they are actually ....GASP....
covering the latest examples of incompetence/corruption/neglig ence/cover-up...(so many apt word choices) and have quit providing cover for the Obama White House. I suspect it is going to get pretty ugly on here as our little lefty posters feel abandoned by even ....MSNBC.[Did anyone see Mika Brzezinski on Morning Joe yesterday - you would have sworn someone had handed her an excrement sandwich as she actually had to talk about both Benghazi and the IRS
scandal]
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11053 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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On another point, you seem now be addressing me as Tea Party Aggie - not accurate, but I presume you think it is a pejorative. Wrong. I admire people who stand up for their convictions and who stand up and fight for the reputation of this country and what it has represented and what it can again. I am in complete agreement with most of their platform - so feel free to call me that if you wish, I'll take it as a compliment.
If you're saying you admire the Tea Party - I would have to remind you that the Tea Party was created in whole from the very beginning by extremely wealthy businessmen who are known to be amongst the very worst polluters on the planet. These particular individuals find "government regulations" to be troublesome for their profits, and the environmental issues of global climate change troublesome for the sale of their product.

To say you admire the Tea Party is to say that you admire the destruction of our environment for the sake of profit. It is to say that you admire the sale of our political system to the ones with the largest campaign contributions. It is to say that you admire false propaganda being spread like wildfire through our society. It is to say that you admire a wholesale attack on science and logic.

So you and I agree on this point: When I refer to your support of the Tea Party, I do mean it in a derogatory manner.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11054 May 14, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Nope, just waiting for all the facts to come in before jumping on a bandwagon of outrage.
Report: IRS D.C. office investigated applications for non-profit status
by Jed Lewison
TUE MAY 14, 2013 AT 06:30 AM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/14/1208...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-...
Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved with investigating conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.
IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.
IRS employees in Cincinnati told conservatives seeking the status of “social welfare” groups that a task force in Washington was overseeing their applications, according to interviews with the activists.
.....
In isolation, there doesn't seem anything particularly interesting about the IRS conducting a review of an application for tax-exempt non-profit status. After all, enforcement and compliance is part of their job. The question is whether it was linked to politically motivated targeting that took place in Cincinnati.
According to the groups that spoke to the Post, there was a link, but assuming they are right, it doesn't explain why the link was made. It's certainly possible that the explanation is that Washington was participating in Cincinnati's targeting. That would be disturbing, but it's also possible that when Washington worked to end what was happening in Cincinnati, they absorbed the investigative process. And, of course, it's also possible that the groups are wrong to make the link.
Even if Washington and Cincinnati were in cahoots, however, it wouldn't a smoking gun implicating the president. As The Post notes, the administration is forbidden by law from getting involved in IRS tax investigations and the agency only has two political appointments. The director during the time of the targeting was a Bush appointee.
...hopefully Congressional investigators will remember the reason the IRS is involved in investigating these groups in the first place is that under current law, the IRS—not the Federal Elections Commission—is responsible for regulating these groups. There's no justification for targeting them on the basis of political affiliation, but on the other hand, it's not like the IRS should abdicate its responsibility to enforce the law....
==========
When the IRS targeted liberals
Under George W. Bush, it went after the NAACP, Greenpeace and even a liberal church
BY ALEX SEITZ-WALD
TUESDAY, MAY 14, 2013 07:45 AM EDT
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_...
In case you missed it: Tom Brokaw and Chuck Todd -(No Right Wing here) would disagree
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11055 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
My, my, we're getting a little testy, aren't we? But I guess you on the Left have been having a bad week. to put it mildly. Okay, if it makes you feel any better, precious, here are two links:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...
Nope, not testy, just asking for a source which you have finally supplied. Now we can compare your original statement with your source, and what we find is not surprizing and entirely predictable.

"has had a Democratic “lean” so far this cycle"

becomes

"a polling company that is described as "Democrat-leaning" "
.....
a Democratic lean this cycle is transformed into the definitive Democratic-leaning
==========
"conducts polls for Democratic clients as well as issues them on its own behalf"

becomes

"that only conducts polls for Democratic campaigns and "progressive" organizations""
.....
The original statement does not indicate that this is an all inclusive list of its clients, but you transform it into one.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"a polling company that is described as "Democrat-leaning" and that only conducts polls for Democratic campaigns and "progressive" organizations"

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...
Public Policy Polling, which conducts polls for Democratic clients as well as issues them on its own behalf, has had a Democratic “lean” so far this cycle.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11056 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
In case you missed it: Tom Brokaw and Chuck Todd -(No Right Wing here) would disagree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E7fSHji6Ev4XX
Really...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...There's no justification for targeting them on the basis of political affiliation, but on the other hand, it's not like the IRS should abdicate its responsibility to enforce the law.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11057 May 14, 2013
Very interesting, Oh My.

It appears that the final text wasn't identical to the first draft.

There's a cover-up! BURN THE WITCH!

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11058 May 14, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're saying you admire the Tea Party - I would have to remind you that the Tea Party was created in whole from the very beginning by extremely wealthy businessmen who are known to be amongst the very worst polluters on the planet. These particular individuals find "government regulations" to be troublesome for their profits, and the environmental issues of global climate change troublesome for the sale of their product.
To say you admire the Tea Party is to say that you admire the destruction of our environment for the sake of profit. It is to say that you admire the sale of our political system to the ones with the largest campaign contributions. It is to say that you admire false propaganda being spread like wildfire through our society. It is to say that you admire a wholesale attack on science and logic.
So you and I agree on this point: When I refer to your support of the Tea Party, I do mean it in a derogatory manner.
Well, you certainly have your talking points down. The Tea Party is truly a grass roots effort of like minded people who first came together over the threat of the taking over and destruction of our healthcare system. There is no "national organization" or "speaker" for those who call themselves the Tea Party. Someone used the term, others of like mind liked it and it spread.

The following list show some of the items that many of those who call themselves Tea Party members would agree with. It is by no means exclusive or complete, it is simply somewhat representative, because, as already stated, there IS NO national "platform" because there is NO national Tea Party.
Identify constitutionality of every new law:
Reject emissions trading: Stop the "cap and trade"
Demand a balanced federal budget:
Simplify the tax system:
Audit federal government agencies for constitutionality:
Limit annual growth in federal spending:
Repeal the health care legislation
Pass an "all-of-the-above" energy policy:
Reduce earmarks:
Reduce taxes:

Some groups that call themselves Tea Party would make additions and subtractions to the above, this is just to illustrate an overall point of view of limited government and emphasis on the Constitution .

"created by wealthy businessmen" - oh, you cute little conspiracy theorist, you
"destruction of the environment" "attack on science and logic" - bless your pointy little head
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11059 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you certainly have your talking points down. The Tea Party is truly a grass roots effort of like minded people who first came together over the threat of the taking over and destruction of our healthcare system. There is no "national organization" or "speaker" for those who call themselves the Tea Party. Someone used the term, others of like mind liked it and it spread.
The following list show some of the items that many of those who call themselves Tea Party members would agree with. It is by no means exclusive or complete, it is simply somewhat representative, because, as already stated, there IS NO national "platform" because there is NO national Tea Party.
Identify constitutionality of every new law:
Reject emissions trading: Stop the "cap and trade"
Demand a balanced federal budget:
Simplify the tax system:
Audit federal government agencies for constitutionality:
Limit annual growth in federal spending:
Repeal the health care legislation
Pass an "all-of-the-above" energy policy:
Reduce earmarks:
Reduce taxes:
Some groups that call themselves Tea Party would make additions and subtractions to the above, this is just to illustrate an overall point of view of limited government and emphasis on the Constitution .
"created by wealthy businessmen" - oh, you cute little conspiracy theorist, you
"destruction of the environment" "attack on science and logic" - bless your pointy little head
Grass Roots? You mean Astro Turf.

FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity ARE the Tea Party.

In an August 30, 2010, article in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer said that the billionaire brothers David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch and Koch Industries are providing financial and organizational support to the Tea Party movement through Americans for Prosperity, which David founded.[162][163] The AFP's "Hot Air Tour" WAS ORGANIZED TO FIGHT AGAINST CARBON TAXES and the activation of a cap and trade program.[164] In 1984, David Koch also founded Citizens for a Sound Economy,[165] part of which became FreedomWorks in a 2004 split, another group that organized and supports the movement.[166] Koch Industries issued a press release stating that the Kochs have "no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks".[167] Former ambassador Christopher Meyer writes in the Daily Mail that the Tea Party movement is a mix of "grassroots populism, professional conservative politics, and big money", the last supplied in part by Charles and David Koch.[168]

We could get so much deeper into this - however - you already know it and I already know it, so what's the point?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11060 May 14, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Really...
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...There's no justification for targeting them on the basis of political affiliation, but on the other hand, it's not like the IRS should abdicate its responsibility to enforce the law.
So you double down on a quote from a Left winger (asst editor for Think Progress and Center for American Progress Action Fund) on a Left wing site. What would one reasonably expect from one of his bias?

Well, I guess if that's all you have, what else are you going to do? I guess you can't comment on Brokaw or Todd because they kind of destroyed your little columnist's point, didn't they.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11061 May 14, 2013
One more example of the need for tough regulations against business. This one is in another country, but it shows that business will do anything for a buck, regardless of how irresponsible and catastrophic.

A 2500-year old Mayan temple is destroyed for it's materials and to save on fuel costs.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/americas/...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11062 May 14, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Grass Roots? You mean Astro Turf.
FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity ARE the Tea Party.
In an August 30, 2010, article in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer said that the billionaire brothers David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch and Koch Industries are providing financial and organizational support to the Tea Party movement through Americans for Prosperity, which David founded.[162][163] The AFP's "Hot Air Tour" WAS ORGANIZED TO FIGHT AGAINST CARBON TAXES and the activation of a cap and trade program.[164] In 1984, David Koch also founded Citizens for a Sound Economy,[165] part of which became FreedomWorks in a 2004 split, another group that organized and supports the movement.[166] Koch Industries issued a press release stating that the Kochs have "no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks".[167] Former ambassador Christopher Meyer writes in the Daily Mail that the Tea Party movement is a mix of "grassroots populism, professional conservative politics, and big money", the last supplied in part by Charles and David Koch.[168]
We could get so much deeper into this - however - you already know it and I already know it, so what's the point?
Oh my goodness, you mean wealthy people like George Soros might contribute money to organizations that they agree with - STOP THE PRESSES.

You just keep on with your little conspiracy theory about the Tea Party movement - which is actually a better description since there is no actual political party.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11063 May 14, 2013
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP MINI-PROFILE:

Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas)- "Democrats worship abortion with same fervor the Canaanites worshipped Molech."

Nice sane leadership you RWW's keep voting to run the country. He sounds like sombody who's ready to reach across the aisle to solve our counties problems.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11064 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
So you double down on a quote from a Left winger (asst editor for Think Progress and Center for American Progress Action Fund) on a Left wing site. What would one reasonably expect from one of his bias?
Well, I guess if that's all you have, what else are you going to do? I guess you can't comment on Brokaw or Todd because they kind of destroyed your little columnist's point, didn't they.
How so when the column concludes...
"There's no justification for targeting them on the basis of political affiliation, but on the other hand, it's not like the IRS should abdicate its responsibility to enforce the law."

Which is exactly the point that Tom Brokaw made, and Todd was disappointed that the WH did not have the proper level of outrage, which is just his subjective opinion.

As far as doubling-down, my original post still stands,

"There's no justification for targeting them on the basis of political affiliation"

and I'll save my outrage and rush to judgement for the IG report and subsequent investigations.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11065 May 14, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my goodness, you mean wealthy people like George Soros might contribute money to organizations that they agree with - STOP THE PRESSES.
You just keep on with your little conspiracy theory about the Tea Party movement - which is actually a better description since there is no actual political party.
Alright - lets play this game:

I say Koch Brothers, you say Soros.

If we stop right there it looks like we're talking about the same thing.

Once we look at the actual agenda and the methods of achieving that agenda - they aren't even on the same sheet of paper on the evil scale.

And you know this as well.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11066 May 14, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
One more example of the need for tough regulations against business. This one is in another country, but it shows that business will do anything for a buck, regardless of how irresponsible and catastrophic.
A 2500-year old Mayan temple is destroyed for it's materials and to save on fuel costs.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/americas/...
This story is tragic for those who treasure history and it made me a little sick to my stomach. That being said: if this is what you are reduced to posting, you really are desperate. You are trying to make a comparison to all business because of the ignorant and short sighted greed of a landowner. Shall we all start searching for stories all over the world to try and make analogies to political opponents here? Like I said, desperate.

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