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<quoted text>Well,can u please try to stop it from flowing outta yo piehole!
No, cause I want to fit in on this thread!!!
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If a Great Flood did happen, it is hardly surprising that more than one account would appear. An interesting difference though is that if a boat were built according to the Gilgamesh account it would basically be a cube that would be rolled over and over in the water. Conversely, if a boat were built following the Biblical description, it would be completely seaworthy.
And why in the world would it surprise you that the Koran (or Quran) would bear similarity to the Bible. The Quran wasn't written until the 7th century AD and took much of its content from the Torah - it just changed the emphasis from the lineage of Abraham to Isaac and substituted the lineage of Abraham to Ishmael, thus claiming that the Arabs are actually God's chosen people.
Libtards are only impressed with each other. It has something to do with self-approval.
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Just a few of the many new articles that will back my previous statements about Global Warming. I am surprised that someone didn't challenge me to show links. I guess by now you know that I can and will.
http://www.co2science.org/about/position/glob...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012...
Real Climate
Climate Science from Climate Scientists
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...

Meet The Climate Denial Machine
Blog ››› November 28, 2012 3:16 PM EST ››› JILL FITZSIMMONS
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/28/meet-...

Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts that human activity is contributing to rising global temperatures, 66 percent of Americans incorrectly believe there is "a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether or not global warming is happening." The conservative media has fueled this confusion by distorting scientific research, hyping faux-scandals, and giving voice to groups funded by industries that have a financial interest in blocking action on climate change. Meanwhile, mainstream media outlets have shied away from the "controversy" over climate change and have failed to press U.S. policymakers on how they will address this global threat. When climate change is discussed, mainstream outlets sometimes strive for a false balance that elevates marginal voices and enables them to sow doubt about the science even in the face of mounting evidence.

Here, Media Matters looks at how conservative media outlets give industry-funded "experts" a platform, creating a polarized misunderstanding of climate science.
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That's a good thing, because those Frosty's are probably made out of petroleum byproducts. They sure ain't ice-cream. Your butthole knows the truth.

I expect you are getting your just dues with your fly ointment, you seem to attract a lot of insects. Sort of like a dying carcus.


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Bored wrote:
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"According to a new report by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Institute (GAI), President Barack Obama has spent over twice as many hours on vacation and golf (976 hours) as he has in economic meetings of any kind (474.4 hours).
The report,“Presidential Calendar: A Time-Based Analysis,” used the official White House calendar, Politico’s comprehensive presidential calendar, and media reports through March 31, 2013 to calculate its results."
And libtards still blame Bush.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Governme...
The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a "a new conservative investigative research organization."[1] The GAI states as its mission "to investigate and expose crony capitalism, misuse of taxpayer monies, and other governmental corruption or malfeasance."[2]

The GAI has several ties to right-wing groups such as Citizens United, the American Conservative Union, Young America's Foundation, and the Hoover Institution, through its key staff and board members:

Peter Schweizer, president of the GAI, is a researcher for the Hoover Institution in Stanford, California.[3] Mr. Schweizer is also on the Research Advisory Council of the James Madison Institute,[4] a member of the State Policy Network, which itself is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council.

Executive Chairman and co-founder of the GAI, Stephen Bannon, is the Executive Chairman of Breitbart News LLC, the parent company of Breitbart.com , a conservative news and opinion website, founded by conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart[5][6].

Board member, Ron Robinson, is a director of both Citizens United[7] and the American Conservative Union.[8][6] Mr. Robinson has also acted as the president of the Young America's Foundation for over thirty years.[9]

Why The Obama Foreign Donation ‘Scandal’ Is Pure Fiction
By Josh Israel on Oct 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/09/9...

Despite significant right-wing hype, a new report by the conservative Government Accountability Institute (GAI) on the potential for foreign nationals to illegally contribute to U.S. political campaigns does not actually find any evidence of foreign nationals successfully donating to the Obama campaign. Still, a wide array of conservative and mainstream publications have incorrectly reported that the report documents foreign donors giving to the President’s re-election.
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Governme...
The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a "a new conservative investigative research organization."[1] The GAI states as its mission "to investigate and expose crony capitalism, misuse of taxpayer monies, and other governmental corruption or malfeasance."[2]
The GAI has several ties to right-wing groups such as Citizens United, the American Conservative Union, Young America's Foundation, and the Hoover Institution, through its key staff and board members:
Peter Schweizer, president of the GAI, is a researcher for the Hoover Institution in Stanford, California.[3] Mr. Schweizer is also on the Research Advisory Council of the James Madison Institute,[4] a member of the State Policy Network, which itself is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council.
Executive Chairman and co-founder of the GAI, Stephen Bannon, is the Executive Chairman of Breitbart News LLC, the parent company of Breitbart.com , a conservative news and opinion website, founded by conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart[5][6].
Board member, Ron Robinson, is a director of both Citizens United[7] and the American Conservative Union.[8][6] Mr. Robinson has also acted as the president of the Young America's Foundation for over thirty years.[9]
Why The Obama Foreign Donation ‘Scandal’ Is Pure Fiction
By Josh Israel on Oct 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/09/9...
Despite significant right-wing hype, a new report by the conservative Government Accountability Institute (GAI) on the potential for foreign nationals to illegally contribute to U.S. political campaigns does not actually find any evidence of foreign nationals successfully donating to the Obama campaign. Still, a wide array of conservative and mainstream publications have incorrectly reported that the report documents foreign donors giving to the President’s re-election.
And your point? Does anyone really expect a libtard organization to publish such data?
If not for conservatives, libtard lies would dominate.
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Oh my wrote:
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Real Climate
Climate Science from Climate Scientists
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...
Meet The Climate Denial Machine
Blog ››› November 28, 2012 3:16 PM EST ››› JILL FITZSIMMONS
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/28/meet-...
Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts that human activity is contributing to rising global temperatures, 66 percent of Americans incorrectly believe there is "a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether or not global warming is happening." The conservative media has fueled this confusion by distorting scientific research, hyping faux-scandals, and giving voice to groups funded by industries that have a financial interest in blocking action on climate change. Meanwhile, mainstream media outlets have shied away from the "controversy" over climate change and have failed to press U.S. policymakers on how they will address this global threat. When climate change is discussed, mainstream outlets sometimes strive for a false balance that elevates marginal voices and enables them to sow doubt about the science even in the face of mounting evidence.
Here, Media Matters looks at how conservative media outlets give industry-funded "experts" a platform, creating a polarized misunderstanding of climate science.
Well, there you have it folks. Media Matters says it's all about the conservative media create a misunderstanding of climate science. As Al Gore said, "The debate is over". Of course, Media Matters has the $10,000,000 gift from good old George Soros to fund their "looking at" conservative media, specifically, Fox News. We just cannot have anyone questioning global warming er uh I mean climate change that isn't really based on science anyway. But, that doesn't matter, does it? Anyone who challenges this fraud for what it is, we will just call them "deniers" or "anti-science". Just show a Polar bear floating around on an ice cube and that will shut up the doubters.

While global warming is being discussed (no debating), the grand daddy of global warming, big Al Gore is floating around on his 60' houseboat powered by twin turbo diesels. Oh, that's right, now he has converted to bio-fuel since he was caught by a reporter. He is also trying to figure out with his pal, Henry Wallace how they can revitalize their carbon credit business which has dwindled to virtually nothing. Ah, carbon credits which are pieces of paper one can buy that reduce your carbon footprint. Ha. Sure they do. Old Al has made hundred of millions with his good old global warming fraudulent claims, along with his lie filled movie that won him an Oscar and millions more for his wallet. What a blowhard hypocrite. Oh well, our government will spend billions and billions more to combat global warming and to line the pockets of people who should be charged with defrauding the American taxpayer.

Dang, it sure seems cold this morning for Spring.
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Bored wrote:
"Second Coldest Start To Spring In US History."
Where are all the libtards promoting Global Warming?
Haven't heard from them lately.

Now the libtards are finally speaking up. Like Gore the internet maker, they only see one leg on a table with ten legs.


They ignore Earth's natural change in the heating and cooling of the Earth and rely upon their agenda to blame it all on man. Their focus point being man is the problem with the Earth, using as an excuse the poster Farrel Landon.
Farrell, these guys are out to get you, better wake up, your methane is causing all the world's problem.
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Aggie23 wrote:
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If you are going to quote sources, you should use more credible ones without an agenda. The very title "From Jesus to Christ" implies the notion held by liberal scholars that Jesus was a man, never claimed to be otherwise and that after his death some of his followers decided for some unknown reason to claim he was divine. Dominic Crossan was the usual spokesman that would be trotted out to speak for the Jesus Seminar - a group of liberals - most of whom were not even scholars- who for the most part held that same view.

The quote from Irenaeus is deliberately misquoted to make his points about the Gospels look ridiculous. The actual quote is that "The Gospel ....fittingly has four corners..." not "it is obviously true because of the winds, etc.". There is a huge difference. The twisting of the quotation is to serve the argument that Irenaeus is arguing for a new concept and had a weak arguments. Rather he appeals to the symbolism of the four winds, etc BECAUSE he has four gospels, not the other way around.
Here is the essay that I referened along with the contributors, all of which appear to be Professors, and no where is mentioned Dominic Crossan. Obviously you do not agree with these folks, which simply highlights, again, my point that Christianity is not a unified religion, but a religion of many sects each with their own interpretation.

Emergence of the Four Gospel Canon
Dozens of gospels circulated in early Christian communities. How were the four now contained in the New Testament chosen?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

Elaine H. Pagels:
The Harrington Spear Paine Foundation Professor of Religion Princeton University

L. Michael White:
Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin

Elizabeth Clark:
John Carlisle Kilgo Professor of Religion and Director of the Graduate Program in Religion Duke University

Harold W. Attridge:
The Lillian Claus Professor of New Testament Yale Divinity School

Allen D. Callahan:
Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School
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Since you did not provide a link to the quote I went looking for myself, if this is still not the exact quote, providing the correct context, then you will need to supply the reference.

It still sounds like a contrived argument for just four gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus
"But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the 'pillar and ground' of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner demiourgos of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit." Against Heresies 3.11.8
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Scott wrote:
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Well, there you have it folks. Media Matters says it's all about the conservative media create a misunderstanding of climate science. As Al Gore said, "The debate is over". Of course, Media Matters has the $10,000,000 gift from good old George Soros to fund their "looking at" conservative media, specifically, Fox News. We just cannot have anyone questioning global warming er uh I mean climate change that isn't really based on science anyway. But, that doesn't matter, does it? Anyone who challenges this fraud for what it is, we will just call them "deniers" or "anti-science". Just show a Polar bear floating around on an ice cube and that will shut up the doubters.
While global warming is being discussed (no debating), the grand daddy of global warming, big Al Gore is floating around on his 60' houseboat powered by twin turbo diesels. Oh, that's right, now he has converted to bio-fuel since he was caught by a reporter. He is also trying to figure out with his pal, Henry Wallace how they can revitalize their carbon credit business which has dwindled to virtually nothing. Ah, carbon credits which are pieces of paper one can buy that reduce your carbon footprint. Ha. Sure they do. Old Al has made hundred of millions with his good old global warming fraudulent claims, along with his lie filled movie that won him an Oscar and millions more for his wallet. What a blowhard hypocrite. Oh well, our government will spend billions and billions more to combat global warming and to line the pockets of people who should be charged with defrauding the American taxpayer.
Dang, it sure seems cold this morning for Spring.

Good post, nothing like hypocrisy from a libtard that glows in the dark to light up their day. And Gore is the master of deceit.
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If a Great Flood did happen, it is hardly surprising that more than one account would appear. An interesting difference though is that if a boat were built according to the Gilgamesh account it would basically be a cube that would be rolled over and over in the water. Conversely, if a boat were built following the Biblical description, it would be completely seaworthy.
Sorry, Noah's Ark was not seaworthy unless you attribute the invisible hand of divinely magical intervention, which is needed to solve a whole host of problems with the Flood story, but it sure makes a great story.

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Oh, and these are such fine examples of, in THEIR words: a "national, independent, nonpartisan public interest news group" and a " nonpartisan organization".

Sourcewatch is an arm of the Center for Media and Democracy and was founded by John Stauber, an acknowledged Progressive environmentalist and political activist. The CMD has been described by Isthmus as "an activist group" and by the Washington Post as a "liberal organization". It received a $200,000 grant from George Soros through the Open Society Institute. And in their own words: "You don't need any special credentials to participate (on source watch)- we shun credentialism along with other propaganda techniques." Wow, that's a good way to ensure you have credible sources contributing to your website.

ThinkProgress is an arm of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, "a progressive public policy
research and advocacy organization"...to implement "progressive ideas and actions". They themselves declare they "provide(s) a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies", publish a newsletter called "The Progress Report", were awarded "Best Liberal Blog" in the 2006 Weblog Awards, and while they were promised $3 billion in 2003 by George Soros, they have also been criticized for their failure to disclose contributors - especially now that two former ThinkProgress bloggers are now Obama's White House Chief of Staff and White House Communications Director.
world wide flood- LMAO

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Anyone with half a brain can understand that a big flood may have and probably did occur in "Biblical" times…..BUT….. that it was a regional event much like the big floods that happen right here around the Mississippi R.(there was no FEMA) or in, say, Bangladesh. Old Noah may have indeed built a boat and through whatever hallucinatory device (bit it artificially induced or through intense personal belief) he was convinced that "God" spoke to him etc., etc. To suggest that Noah had knowledge of the whole planet is to ignore history. And to think that one man and his family could build a boat (even in their limited lifetime) that could house all of the animals (and I mean ALL of them) is absurd. Most likely the local river(s) flooded big time and the inhabitants of that relatively small region had their world rocked. Those passing down knowledge of the event naturally assumed that the entire world (planet? come on) was involved and that for such an horrific event to have occurred "God" must have had a hand in it. Punishment shmunishment….it was a localized flooding nothing more nothing less.
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I thought it's April 29, 2013

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Oh my wrote:
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Here is the essay that I referened along with the contributors, all of which appear to be Professors, and no where is mentioned Dominic Crossan. Obviously you do not agree with these folks, which simply highlights, again, my point that Christianity is not a unified religion, but a religion of many sects each with their own interpretation.
Emergence of the Four Gospel Canon

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
Elaine H. Pagels:
The Harrington Spear Paine Foundation Professor of Religion Princeton University
L. Michael White:
Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin
Elizabeth Clark:
John Carlisle Kilgo Professor of Religion and Director of the Graduate Program in Religion Duke University
Harold W. Attridge:
The Lillian Claus Professor of New Testament Yale Divinity School
Allen D. Callahan:
Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School
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Since you did not provide a link to the quote I went looking for myself, if this is still not the exact quote, providing the correct context, then you will need to supply the reference.
It still sounds like a contrived argument for just four gospels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus
"But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the 'pillar and ground' of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner demiourgos of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit." Against Heresies 3.11.8
Dominic Crossan was another contributer to the PBS special YOU listed, did you not even look at what you referenced? What was your point in listing the contributors, are we supposed to be impressed by their titles? The world of academia is full of people with lovely titles that are so blinded by their own preconceived notions that their conclusions are written before any research is done. Pagels has received much criticism for her shoddy -if not deliberately misleading - translations of Irenaeus. Yale and Harvard and Duke divinity schools are noted for their liberal take on theology.

To repeat: The Diatesseron - referenced by L Michael White was written in the mid 2nd century - is an obvious reflection of the acceptance of the early church by those four gospels as the "true" gospels - Irenaeus writing approximately 10-20 years LATER is simply using the four zones, four winds, etc to illustrate to his audience that it was "fitting" that there are four gospels, not that that was the BASIS for choosing only four gospels.
Please read your own references: look at your reference quotation from Irenaeus and then look at Pagel's supposed quote from Irenaeus in your original post - she misquotes him and states he said "There actually are only four authentic gospels. And this is obviously true because there are four corners of the universe....". It gives a completely different almost "cart before the horse" rationale. But regardless of Irenaeus statements, the point is that the four gospels were the accepted gospels long before Irenaeus made his statement, he is just reflecting that acceptance as he was supporting his arguments against the so called Gnostic gospels that some people were attempting to declare as valid, despite their obvious late writing and deceptive authorship. And again, Pagels is simply showing her bias as she herself is an adherent to the Gnostic ideas.

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Oh my wrote:
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Here is the essay that I referened along with the contributors, all of which appear to be Professors, and no where is mentioned Dominic Crossan. Obviously you do not agree with these folks, which simply highlights, again, my point that Christianity is not a unified religion, but a religion of many sects each with their own interpretation.
Emergence of the Four Gospel Canon

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
Elaine H. Pagels:
The Harrington Spear Paine Foundation Professor of Religion Princeton University
L. Michael White:
Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin
Elizabeth Clark:
John Carlisle Kilgo Professor of Religion and Director of the Graduate Program in Religion Duke University
Harold W. Attridge:
The Lillian Claus Professor of New Testament Yale Divinity School
Allen D. Callahan:
New Testament, Harvard Divinity School

Since you did not provide a link to the quote I went looking for myself, if this is still not the exact quote, providing the correct context, then you will need to supply the reference.
It still sounds like a contrived argument for just four gospels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus
"But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the 'pillar and ground' of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner demiourgos of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit." Against Heresies 3.11.8
Dominic Crossan was a contributor to the very program you referenced, I guess you didn't look any further. It helps identify the bias of the contributors. Am I supposed to be impressed by the titles of the contributors? The halls of academia are full of people with lovely titles who are so blinded by their biases that they have their conclusions written before they start any research. And Yale, Harvard and Duke divinity schools are known for their liberal take on theology.

Please look at the quote you got from wiki and the quote that Pagels claims came from Irenaeus - it is in the citation for the frontline piece you originally reference, so you should have seen the difference for yourself. She writes that Irenaeus stated: "There actually are only four authentic gospels. And this is OBVIOUSLY (emphasis mine) true because there are four corners...four winds....." She implies this was his rationale for saying only four gospels. There are two problems with this. First, it is backwards. Irenaeus is not saying that there are only four gospels because of the four winds, he is saying that it is "fitting" that there are four gospels, just as there are the four corners, four winds, etc. He is using the coincidence to illustrate, not as the basis.
Second, regardless of what he said, the existence of the Diatessaron (also referenced in your very first citation under L Michael White) proves that by the mid 2nd century the four gospels were the "accepted" gospels, Diatessaron means "through the four" and weaves the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John together into one story. Irenaeus statements 10-20 years later are merely a reflection of the accepted view of the early church, not a declaration of his that "by my authority, there are only four gospels". He was fighting the belief by some that the obviously later written and falsely credited Gnostic gospels should be included. And this again goes to Pagel's bias as she herself is an adherent to the Gnostic belief.

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my apologies for the repeat, when I posted the first time, it didn't show up and after five minutes of nothing, I recreated it. Now they are both there.
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Aggie23 wrote:
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Dominic Crossan was another contributer to the PBS special YOU listed, did you not even look at what you referenced? What was your point in listing the contributors, are we supposed to be impressed by their titles?
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Please read your own references: look at your reference quotation from Irenaeus and then look at Pagel's supposed quote from Irenaeus in your original post - she misquotes him and states he said "There actually are only four authentic gospels. And this is obviously true because there are four corners of the universe....". It gives a completely different almost "cart before the horse" rationale. But regardless of Irenaeus statements, the point is that the four gospels were the accepted gospels long before Irenaeus made his statement, he is just reflecting that acceptance as he was supporting his arguments against the so called Gnostic gospels that some people were attempting to declare as valid, despite their obvious late writing and deceptive authorship. And again, Pagels is simply showing her bias as she herself is an adherent to the Gnostic ideas.
You were responding to a specific post of mine, which referenced a specific essay. Now the essay is certianly part of a larger progam, and there may well have been other contributors, but there were not part of the referenced essay.

Well let's see, Elaine Pagel also offers this:

Some of the leaders were concerned to say, "Well, which of these writings can be read in church? Which are the right ones? Which are the best ones?"

Should this be considered a direct quote from unamed sources?

I suspect that Elaine was paraphrasing Irenaeus, and frankly I see little difference in the paraphrase and the actual substance of the true quote.

The stories about Jesus were originally part of an oral tradition that were eventually fashioned into a written narrative as the movement grew. As the movement grew there had to be an authoritative decision for what was official and what was not. It always helps to bolster an argument by declaring the opposing view as heretical (whether in religion or politics).

I fail to see how examining the source and origin of the New Testament books is a threat, but apparently it is to some.

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Oh my wrote:
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You were responding to a specific post of mine, which referenced a specific essay. Now the essay is certianly part of a larger progam, and there may well have been other contributors, but there were not part of the referenced essay.
Well let's see, Elaine Pagel also offers this:
Some of the leaders were concerned to say, "Well, which of these writings can be read in church? Which are the right ones? Which are the best ones?"
Should this be considered a direct quote from unamed sources?
I suspect that Elaine was paraphrasing Irenaeus, and frankly I see little difference in the paraphrase and the actual substance of the true quote.
The stories about Jesus were originally part of an oral tradition that were eventually fashioned into a written narrative as the movement grew. As the movement grew there had to be an authoritative decision for what was official and what was not. It always helps to bolster an argument by declaring the opposing view as heretical (whether in religion or politics).
I fail to see how examining the source and origin of the New Testament books is a threat, but apparently it is to some.
The essay is a reflection of and contains excerpts from the show, which is what the site is referencing. It is illustrative to see the one sided view held by the contributors, as opposed to having a balance of opposing viewpoints. The uninformed watching without the balance can easily come away with a false view of how the canon was developed and believe it truly was arbitrary. And such a supposedly "respected" scholar should know that if you are going to put something in quotation marks and present it as a quotation, it had better be accurate - otherwise you are ignoring scholastic integrity by literally "putting words in someone's mouth". Nor does it reflect the actual substance of the true quote. The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke are reliably dated to within 20-40 years of Jesus crucifixion, John within 50-60. There would still have been eyewitnesses living who could refute the writings, especially in the case of the first three. On the other hand the Gnostic gospels were written 200-300 years later. There is absolutely no threat in examining the sources and origin of the New Testament. The problem is when those with an agenda hostile to the New Testament continue to try and undermine it with arguments that are weak in their scholarship, but who will always find a voice to trumpet their arguments due to a like minded bias, rather than on respect for the scholarship.
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...It is illustrative to see the one sided view held by the contributors, as opposed to having a balance of opposing viewpoints. The uninformed watching without the balance can easily come away with a false view of how the canon was developed and believe it truly was arbitrary.

...The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke are reliably dated to within 20-40 years of Jesus crucifixion, John within 50-60. There would still have been eyewitnesses living who could refute the writings, especially in the case of the first three. On the other hand the Gnostic gospels were written 200-300 years later.

There is absolutely no threat in examining the sources and origin of the New Testament. The problem is when those with an agenda hostile to the New Testament continue to try and undermine it with arguments that are weak in their scholarship, but who will always find a voice to trumpet their arguments due to a like minded bias, rather than on respect for the scholarship.
Thankfully, we have you to tell us who has a hostile agenda and weak scholarship, and who undermines and who does not. Sounds like we've heard all of that before on these very pages.

From Jesus to Chruist
The First Christians
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

This FRONTLINE series is an intellectual and visual guide to the new and controversial historical evidence which challenges familiar assumptions about the life of Jesus and the epic rise of Christianity.

The Gospel of Mark
L. Michael White:
Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

According to tradition, the author, Mark is not an apostle himself. Not one of the original disciples, but rather the follower of one of them. Traditionally, he's supposed to be the disciple of Peter .... We don't know exactly where this Mark was or where he actually wrote. However, tradition places him at Rome, but one more tradition also has him located at Alexandria, and it may be the case that the story that we call Mark's gospel, which supposedly derived from Peter, is also an example of this passing on of an oral tradition. It owes its history to Mark, whether Mark is the person who actually wrote it down or not.

Mark's is the first of the written gospels. It's really the one that establishes... the life of Jesus as a story form. It develops a narrative from his early career, through ...the main points of his life and culminat[es] in his death. And, as such, it sets the pattern for all the later gospel traditions. We know that both Matthew and Luke used Mark, as a source in their composition and it's also probable that even John knew something of Mark in tradition. So, Mark is really the one that sets the stage for all the later Christian gospel writings.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
...Whether Mark himself was a gentile or a Jew remains a subject of scholarly debate. So, too, does the place of his composition; some scholars think that he wrote his work in Rome, others that he wrote in Alexandria, still others suggest Syria. The way Mark tells the story suggests that his audience lived outside the homeland, spoke Greek rather than Aramaic, and was not familiar with Jewish customs. While there is disagreement about where Mark wrote, there is a consensus about when he wrote: he probably composed his work in or about the year 70 CE, after the failure of the First Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple at the hands of the Romans. That destruction shapes how Mark tells his story.

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