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Apr 6, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Here's the thing. How do you know those investers were ALWAYS financially secure enough to invest? Perhaps some of those investers grew up in the hood and worked and ACHIEVED that status. Why is it that you who aren't financially able to do that are so BITTER toward thoses who are? It makes no sense. If you had that VERY SAME OPPORTUNITY, you would DO THE VERY SAME THING. You haven't reached that status, SO you want everyone who has...TO PAY, PAY, PAY. I don't have that status and I DON'T CARE what they do. They made great decisions and are reaping that benefit. I simply DON'T CARE. Kind of like how you all give passes to Obama and what he DOES. YOU don't care. Well, there is ONE difference. You think everything that Obama does is for YOU. What a laugh! I don't think the money the big dogs make is necessarily "right", but I also don't think it's right to forcefullly take it from them.
Isn't it great to live in Right Wing Fantasy World where Republicans don't devastate the economy and and where the myth of equal opportunity soothes the consciences of the "Have's" as they enjoy the benefits of a society designed by them and for them.

But then - EVIL REALITY - rears it ugly head. Facts and statistics are raised that demonstrate the myth ..... Is a myth.

But, before you read, it's a beautiful day, use those Socialist Security I pay for you to get; use that Socialist Medicare I pay for you to get; stop by the drug store and refresh that Ablilify you get through that Socialist Medicare Part D I pay for you to enjoy, grab a fishing pole and head out to a nice Socialist TVA lake and catch a few fish.

While your enjoying all your socialist benefits I give you, try to avoid the Right Wing hatred of knowledge and read the following about the myth of "equal opportunity":

THE GREAT DIVIDE February
16, 2013, 2:30 pm 336 Comments
Equal Opportunity, Our National Myth
By JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ

"The gap between aspiration and reality could hardly be wider. Today, the United States has less equality of opportunity than almost any other advanced industrial country.

Study after study has exposed the myth that America is a land of opportunity.

It’s not that social mobility is impossible, but that the upwardly mobile American is becoming a statistical oddity.

According to research from the Brookings Institution, only 58 percent of Americans born into the bottom fifth of income earners move out of that category, and just 6 percent born into the bottom fifth move into the top. Economic mobility in the United States is lower than in most of Europe and lower than in all of Scandinavia.

But then we changed, in several ways. While racial segregation decreased, economic segregation increased. After 1980, the poor grew poorer, the middle stagnated, and the top did better and better.
Disparities widened between those living in poor localities and those living in rich suburbs — or rich enough to send their kids to private schools.

A result was a widening gap in educational performance — the achievement gap between rich and poor kids born in 2001 was 30 to 40 percent larger than it was for those born 25 years earlier, the Stanford sociologist Sean F. Reardon found."

Joseph E. Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate in economics, a professor at Columbia and a former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and chief economist for the World Bank, is the author of “The Price of Inequality.”
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well-well-well.

Stiglitz been sharply critical of the Obama Administration's financial-industry rescue plan.[20] Stiglitz said that whoever designed the Obama administration's bank rescue plan is "either in the pocket of the banks or theyre incompetent.

In Obama's case, it would be incompetent.
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Apr 6, 2013
 
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Isn't it great to live in Right Wing Fantasy World where Republicans don't devastate the economy and and where the myth of equal opportunity soothes the consciences of the "Have's" as they enjoy the benefits of a society designed by them and for them.
But then - EVIL REALITY - rears it ugly head. Facts and statistics are raised that demonstrate the myth ..... Is a myth.
But, before you read, it's a beautiful day, use those Socialist Security I pay for you to get; use that Socialist Medicare I pay for you to get; stop by the drug store and refresh that Ablilify you get through that Socialist Medicare Part D I pay for you to enjoy, grab a fishing pole and head out to a nice Socialist TVA lake and catch a few fish.
While your enjoying all your socialist benefits I give you, try to avoid the Right Wing hatred of knowledge and read the following about the myth of "equal opportunity":
THE GREAT DIVIDE February
16, 2013, 2:30 pm 336 Comments
Equal Opportunity, Our National Myth
By JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ
"The gap between aspiration and reality could hardly be wider. Today, the United States has less equality of opportunity than almost any other advanced industrial country.
Study after study has exposed the myth that America is a land of opportunity.
It’s not that social mobility is impossible, but that the upwardly mobile American is becoming a statistical oddity.
According to research from the Brookings Institution, only 58 percent of Americans born into the bottom fifth of income earners move out of that category, and just 6 percent born into the bottom fifth move into the top. Economic mobility in the United States is lower than in most of Europe and lower than in all of Scandinavia.
But then we changed, in several ways. While racial segregation decreased, economic segregation increased. After 1980, the poor grew poorer, the middle stagnated, and the top did better and better.
Disparities widened between those living in poor localities and those living in rich suburbs — or rich enough to send their kids to private schools.
A result was a widening gap in educational performance — the achievement gap between rich and poor kids born in 2001 was 30 to 40 percent larger than it was for those born 25 years earlier, the Stanford sociologist Sean F. Reardon found."
Joseph E. Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate in economics, a professor at Columbia and a former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and chief economist for the World Bank, is the author of “The Price of Inequality.”
And you probably wish for "means testing" for social security and medicare also don't you?
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Apr 6, 2013
 
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well-well-well.

Stiglitz been sharply critical of the Obama Administration's financial-industry rescue plan.[20] Stiglitz said that whoever designed the Obama administration's bank rescue plan is "either in the pocket of the banks or they’re incompetent.

In Obama's case, it would be incompetent.
For once you are somehow at correct, the only error is that it was Bush's Bailout Plan that Obama adopted, they are both puppets for the billionaire banksters.

AP News:

WASHINGTON — Struggling to stave off financial catastrophe, the Bush administration on Friday laid out a radical bailout plan with a jawdropping price tag _ a takeover of a half-trillion dollars or more in worthless mortgages and other bad debt held by tottering institutions.

A grim-faced President Bush acknowledged risks to taxpayers in what would be the most sweeping government intervention to rescue failing financial institutions since the Great Depression.

Congressional officials said they expected a request for legal authority to buy up the bad loans, at a cost in excess of $500 billion to the government.

Democrats were discussing whether to try to attach middle class assistance to the legislation, despite a request from Bush to avoid adding controversial items that could delay action.

The federal government already has pledged more than $600 billion in the past year to bail out, or help bail out, some of the biggest names in American finance. That includes the rescue of investment bank Bear Stearns in March, the takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac earlier this month and the takeover of the world's largest insurance company, American International Group, just this week.

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Bill in Dville wrote:
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Now that I'm "caught up" on reading this thread, it's interesting to note that a certain someone has not responded to posts with questions about "their" tax proposal...
Interesting? Yes.
Surprising? No. You have to know what you're talking about to provide such information.
His/her response of "I'll get around to it when I want", or whatever, is a good indication that he/she has NO CLUE about taxes and may be doing a whole bunch of research to not further embarrass him or herself...
Interesting that this post, made yesterday, still holds true...

One would THINK that someone so eloquent, so erudite, so all knowing, would be able to document their tax plan fairly easily.

NOT!

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And you probably wish for "means testing" for social security and medicare also don't you?
I'm expecting that, by the time I reach the age to receive Social Security benefits, there will be significant limitations/reductions based on earnings and/or assets.

I don't think it's "fair", but I think it's probably needed and acceptable to me.
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<quoted text>And you probably wish for "means testing" for social security and medicare also don't you?
Hell no.

Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare Part D are the most obviously socialist programs since the Soviet Union provided pensions and medical care for old people.

These programs must be completely eliminated so that we can prove, once and for all, the results of the Right Wing's demand any and all socialist programs must be eliminated.

Let's do it - watch the debacle - and get over it. Then we can return to rational programs like a truly progressive income tax, a highly progressive inheritance tax, and social programs for our fellow Americans.

It's going to painful , but until the bodies of millions of homeless or dead elderly Americans litter the roadside, Right Wingers will continue to enjoy socialist programs, while refusing to pay their costs.

It'll have to get worse - to get better.
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Apr 6, 2013
 
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Hell no.
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare Part D are the most obviously socialist programs since the Soviet Union provided pensions and medical care for old people.
These programs must be completely eliminated so that we can prove, once and for all, the results of the Right Wing's demand any and all socialist programs must be eliminated.
Let's do it - watch the debacle - and get over it. Then we can return to rational programs like a truly progressive income tax, a highly progressive inheritance tax, and social programs for our fellow Americans.
It's going to painful , but until the bodies of millions of homeless or dead elderly Americans litter the roadside, Right Wingers will continue to enjoy socialist programs, while refusing to pay their costs.
It'll have to get worse - to get better.
And you thought your kids were yours, sorry-sorry-sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Hell no.
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare Part D are the most obviously socialist programs since the Soviet Union provided pensions and medical care for old people.
These programs must be completely eliminated so that we can prove, once and for all, the results of the Right Wing's demand any and all socialist programs must be eliminated.
Let's do it - watch the debacle - and get over it. Then we can return to rational programs like a truly progressive income tax, a highly progressive inheritance tax, and social programs for our fellow Americans.
It's going to painful , but until the bodies of millions of homeless or dead elderly Americans litter the roadside, Right Wingers will continue to enjoy socialist programs, while refusing to pay their costs.
It'll have to get worse - to get better.
And am glad you will be taking care of all the kids of sorry people who drop'em and leave'em.
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Why don't you start a thread that all this bull would fall under the subject instead of posting it in a discussion about a race that was over years ago?
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<quoted text>And am glad you will be taking care of all the kids of sorry people who drop'em and leave'em.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Right Wing King James Bible (2013)
But Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven, export for those useless kids born to parents too poor, too immature, too addicted to drugs, or just plain too selfish to care for those crumb crunchers. Let them die - sorry - but it sure isn't the responsibility of Christians to care for these brats - nobody made their parents have sex - so it's just tough toenails for them.

By the way, did I mentions that I care so much I know when even a sparrow falls. But that's a sparrow, not some rug rat kid that picked the wrong parents - sucks to be him.

Thus sayeth The Lord of the Right Wing.
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King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Right Wing King James Bible (2013)
But Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven, export for those useless kids born to parents too poor, too immature, too addicted to drugs, or just plain too selfish to care for those crumb crunchers. Let them die - sorry - but it sure isn't the responsibility of Christians to care for these brats - nobody made their parents have sex - so it's just tough toenails for them.
By the way, did I mentions that I care so much I know when even a sparrow falls. But that's a sparrow, not some rug rat kid that picked the wrong parents - sucks to be him.
Thus sayeth The Lord of the Right Wing.
A mocker of God using biblical words?
What's next?
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One of the best explanations I've read about the Euro.
Also applies to what happens here in America.

Read it in your browser or download as a pdf file.

http://mises.org/books/bagus_tragedy_of_euro....
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bosco wrote:
Why don't you start a thread that all this bull would fall under the subject instead of posting it in a discussion about a race that was over years ago?
I bet you are black and racist
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#6208
Apr 6, 2013
 
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>A mocker of God using biblical words?
What's next?
A true miracle perhaps.

A Right Winger who claims to be Christian demanding our society actually exercise Christian values -
and - GASP - pay taxes to care for the children of our nation.

Decency - what a concept !

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Please just admit you were wrong.
There's no shame in learning from others. We Moderates and Progressives do it all the time.
Just plain facts:
In addition to salary and other benefits the guy received TWO BILLION DOLLARS in option and grants. He bought his way out of a federal indictment for a few hundred million bucks - walking away with OVER A BILLION DOLLARS in stock alone.
Amazingly, you think it helps your cause to argue he got less than a BILLION DOLLARS or not.
Imagine how ludicrous is it to base your rebuttal on a claim the the guy fires for stealing billions from the government got less than a billion dollars for depriving patients of medical care.
Even your have to understand that's like arguing Ted Bundy wasn't a bad guy, because he might not have killed ALL those women.
And people wonder why private insurance for medical care is a joke - and every industrialized country in the world has gone to single payer government superiors medical insurance.
By not us - no by God, were Americans and proud to be stupid.
I'm sorry I am not going over it again. Either take or leave my last reply.

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Apr 6, 2013
 
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Hell no.
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare Part D are the most obviously socialist programs since the Soviet Union provided pensions and medical care for old people.
These programs must be completely eliminated so that we can prove, once and for all, the results of the Right Wing's demand any and all socialist programs must be eliminated.
Let's do it - watch the debacle - and get over it. Then we can return to rational programs like a truly progressive income tax, a highly progressive inheritance tax, and social programs for our fellow Americans.
It's going to painful , but until the bodies of millions of homeless or dead elderly Americans litter the roadside, Right Wingers will continue to enjoy socialist programs, while refusing to pay their costs.
It'll have to get worse - to get better.
I'm for it. All the government has to do is give me back all my S.S. money with the interest it would have drawn over the years just like a private 401k. Also that money could be inherited just as any other 401 or mutual fund. I and the rest of America would be much better off. That way you wouldn't have to put any money into S.S. and would not have that to gripe about.

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Bored wrote:
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A mocker of God using biblical words?
What's next?
That's nothing , He even made up a prayer for me trying to shame me in the name of the Lord.

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A true miracle perhaps.
A Right Winger who claims to be Christian demanding our society actually exercise Christian values -
and - GASP - pay taxes to care for the children of our nation.
Decency - what a concept !
Just who made you God!!
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<quoted text>That's nothing , He even made up a prayer for me trying to shame me in the name of the Lord.
No, if anything shames you before the Lord it would be a Right Winger's disregard for the plight of his fellow man.

It would be a Right Wingers refusal a follow the precepts of the New Testament.

Feel free to continue denying the problems confronting your fellow

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