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Good post.
Illegals are here because employers want them here.- The employers get increased profits by paying artificially low wages.
Politicians get millions in contributions from the employers - so they won't enforce immigration laws or throw employers in jail for employing illegals.
The American working man loses.
One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Good post.
Illegals are here because employers want them here.- The employers get increased profits by paying artificially low wages.
Politicians get millions in contributions from the employers - so they won't enforce immigration laws or throw employers in jail for employing illegals.
The American working man loses.
Mexicans come here because we pay dramatically more than they can earn in Mexico. So if you want to complain about wages perhaps you should talk to President Enrique Pena Neito. You're right that politicians want the illegals here (as long as you're talking about Democrat politicians.) Non-cuban Hispanics are voting Democrat with higher and higher percentages every election. And glorya is absolutely right about the overcrowding of our public schools and emergency rooms - especially in the southwest. It is harder and harder to find emergency rooms in some areas because they have had to shut their doors because the illegals who did not pay were bankrupting the hospitals. I also understand the impulse that leads so many to come here, they want a better life and to be able to better support their families. However, this country cannot afford it. And security wise, this country cannot afford it. It is INSANE that we have as porous a border as we do, it is an invitation for terrorists to come in through Mexico. Forget the illegal alien issue for a moment- our country's security demands a fortified border - fat chance.

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One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.
And the unions love it when the minimum wage gets increased, most all labor contracts have their wages tied to the minimum wage. When the minimum wage gets increased, labor wages automatically get increased - no negotiating necessary. But it actually shrinks the job market for the unskilled.
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And the unions love it when the minimum wage gets increased, most all labor contracts have their wages tied to the minimum wage. When the minimum wage gets increased, labor wages automatically get increased - no negotiating necessary. But it actually shrinks the job market for the unskilled.
Unions do not want competition in the labor market. Business has to compete for customers, they should be allowed a competitive market for labor as well.
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Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.
Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.

Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.

Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.

Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;

or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;

or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;

Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.

And of course we all know that Unions got us all:

40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.

Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.

That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).

Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
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The drugs they bring here are crippling are country. Meth is killing our youth. Most of the drugs come through Mexico to the U.S. via illegals. It doesn't have to be a bomb to be deadly. Check out Fitzgerald topix. This is where I was raised and it's sad to see my hometown dying. There are several plants here that employ mostly all illegal mexicans and our sheriff here turns a blind eye to it. There was a drug bust just made here involving illegals. They were dealing pills, meth, gambling, and a "massage" parlor. A few years back in a bordering county mexican's killed a whole family included a two year old baby. They are vicious and sneaky and I have no use for none of them.
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Mar 6, 2013
 
Why would anyone want Johnny back?

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
There WAS a time when labor unions were needed. Not so, now. Unions bought and paid for our current president. To say that he supports the common working man is laughable.

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
The logic used with the union situation can be looked at with the same logic as slavery.(This will open up a "hell"storm. I don't care.) The union members we have NOW didn't do the work, make the sacrifices and muster up the courage as the unions did back in the day. In plain terms, they haven't EARNED it. They are riding on the backs of the ones who did. The comparison to slavery? It's obvious, but here goes. The blacks now ride on the backs of their ancestors. They feel owed...entitled. That dog won't hunt anymore. Same with unions. Unless one is a member of a union or has a CLOSE family member who is in a union, there is a general feeling of disdain toward unions. They are considered bullies and lean toward violence. Well, of course, liberals think they set a great example. If you don't get your way, walk off the job.

Additionally, corporations and their profit making and taking are here to stay. You might as well accept that. They've proved that by taking it overseas if needed. Libs seem to think that Obama is going to make those evil rich people PAY. lol Not going to happen. Just more of his lies to get votes.

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The drugs they bring here are crippling are country. Meth is killing our youth. Most of the drugs come through Mexico to the U.S. via illegals. It doesn't have to be a bomb to be deadly. Check out Fitzgerald topix. This is where I was raised and it's sad to see my hometown dying. There are several plants here that employ mostly all illegal mexicans and our sheriff here turns a blind eye to it. There was a drug bust just made here involving illegals. They were dealing pills, meth, gambling, and a "massage" parlor. A few years back in a bordering county mexican's killed a whole family included a two year old baby. They are vicious and sneaky and I have no use for none of them.
I don't "get" why the border can't be closed. No one with the power to do so seems to want to. That statement crosses both political parties. WTH?

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Every country in the world controls their borders but the United States and Canada.
Just try crossing into Mexico and see if the Mexican Army doesn't lock you ass up. Mexico also has thousands of troops stationed on its borders that border its neighboring countries. They let no one in and if they do they are watched and they had better leave Mexico when their time is up or they go to a Mexican jail.
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How about a little support for Sen. Rand Paul and his filibuster of Brennan to be CIA Director.

Paul is wrong on economic issues, but he is absolutely correct on this one.
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Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.

Boring.
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How about a little support for Sen. Rand Paul and his filibuster of Brennan to be CIA Director.
Paul is wrong on economic issues, but he is absolutely correct on this one.
Right for once.
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Ten hours and still going.
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Bored wrote:
<quoted text>Right for once.
I feel better knowing I am boring when I am right, and boring when I am wrong.

At least it helps me understand its not the substance, but the presentation that's boring.

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Informed Opinion wrote:
How about a little support for Sen. Rand Paul and his filibuster of Brennan to be CIA Director.
Paul is wrong on economic issues, but he is absolutely correct on this one.
I don't agree with you thinking that Paul is wrong on the economic issues but you and I see this filibuster the same way as you. Are you amazed?
I actually posted an article on the U.S. uses of drones in the U.S. and it didn't get the attention that it deserved. Only a few responded and their responses were vague and some were just out in la la land.
No American should be killed by a drone or any other means, assassinated, in this country for any alleged crime unless they are arrested and given a fair trial. I said fair not tried by the media or a few elite government heads.
In my other post I used an example of how would you like to be sitting at home watching tv and the government has you listed falsely as a terrorist and they blow you and your house up with a missile from a drone. It would kill you, your family and maybe even your next door neighbors. Sounds a little far out and extreme but that is exactly what is happening overseas.
This man Brennen seems to think that just maybe the end justifies the means. BTW did you see Holder being questioned by the Congressional Committee today? They had to almost horse whip him to say that drones wouldn't be used to kill Americans in the United States. He finally said they wouldn't, but nobody believes him after watching his testimony.
All of this should start to even make you wonder what this Administration is up to and it should worry you. Speeches by Obama about transparency and justice for all doesn't change the facts. There is something really starting to smell bad about the whole scheme of things.
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Synergy wrote:
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One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.
Damn, I actually agree with you for once. I'll have to slap myself.

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Damn, I actually agree with you for once. I'll have to slap myself.
Oh! Let me, let me!!!!! lol

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