Who do you support for U.S. Senate in Georgia in 2010?

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bored monitor wrote:

ur devaluing fruit loops and potato chips by using them in the same sentence as this nut job.
Jes Sayin

My most sincere and humble apology. ;-)

[Synergy]

Lived there wrote:

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Your post is true, but incomplete; Do you know what a "bag man" is? That's all a lobbiest is, "gofors," "bag men (and women)" shuttling money from their masters to the political pocket.
The "perks" aren't the main reason why people go into politics to begin with; they're dishonest, greedy and run for office to get rich quick.
To get elected, they make promises, then when they win, hand out excuses and as long as they can keep us divided into two camps, they get away with it.

I've not heard the term "bag man", but it certainly describes their task.
I truly think SOME people become politicians because they want to help, THEN all the back slapping, special treatment, gifts, etc., goes to their head and it's downhill from there. They get caught up in their own importance and their allegiance becomes diluted. Your last sentence is spot on!

[Lived there]

Synergy wrote:

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I've not heard the term "bag man", but it certainly describes their task.
I truly think SOME people become politicians because they want to help, THEN all the back slapping, special treatment, gifts, etc., goes to their head and it's downhill from there. They get caught up in their own importance and their allegiance becomes diluted. Your last sentence is spot on!

The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.

Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.

Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.

On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.

In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).

[Donald E Putnam Jr]

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No, it's because I'm a Doubting Thomas and you sound like a fruit-loop with a big chip on your shoulder about something. IF, and it's a big if, the GCSO alerted the GBI and FBI about you, it's probably because you made a threat. They don't like that. Nobody does.
You know of course, that your military service record, even your MOS can be verified over the internet. It's public information (sans certain identifying information like SS number, DOB and POB, and medical file). It cuts down on the number of people who fly false colors.

Go for it peckerwood, That's my full name, I served 78-82 and my last job and duty station was Battalion Armorer for the 2nd Bat. of the 7th Special Forces Group Ft. Bragg NC. I don't hide behind a alias and I'll send you my address anytime you want to come knock that chip off.

[Donald E Putnam Jr]

Replying wrote:

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No, it's because I'm a Doubting Thomas and you sound like a fruit-loop with a big chip on your shoulder about something. IF, and it's a big if, the GCSO alerted the GBI and FBI about you, it's probably because you made a threat. They don't like that. Nobody does.
You know of course, that your military service record, even your MOS can be verified over the internet. It's public information (sans certain identifying information like SS number, DOB and POB, and medical file). It cuts down on the number of people who fly false colors.

PS GCSD didn't do crap, never have never will, a part of that chip you speak of. I used the word 'event' that was what the FBI agent said our visit was about. While his GBI partner displayed his lack of prep and knowledge by being surprised I knew how make a field-expedient explosive device. Our elected officials funked reading comprehension.

[formerresident]

Donald, I might understand. Thank you for your service to your country, and upholding the fundamentals.

[Synergy]

Lived there wrote:

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The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.
Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.
Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.
On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.
In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).

Thank you, Lived There. I appreciate you taking the time to explain the term. Very interesting and informative.:)

[Donald E Putnam Jr]

bored monitor wrote:

ur devaluing fruit loops and potato chips by using them in the same sentence as this nut job.
Jes Sayin

Unlike you I don't hide my location or my name and the VA head shrinker said I'm not crazy,other than the fact I live up to the standards you sheeple indoctrinated me with. A man is supposed to have honor and integrity something sadly lacking in sheeple like yourself. Also, many of you forget this is a 'Fighting Words' state, meaning you say the wrong thing to me I'm perfectly within my rights to beat the crap outta you. Georgia is a state full of stupid ignorant children, I've lived here all my life, I know. As children, you were supposed to learn,'sticks and stones, etc'. The unspoken part goes,'Nor cause me to do harm'! I live that, but lay a hand on me and I'll put you in the hospital if your lucky.

[jeb stuart]

Lived there wrote:

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The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.
Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.
Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.
On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.
In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).

good post!one of the most famous of the original ones was frank"greasy thumbs"gusak,he was al capones' accountant(for lack of a better description).

[formerresident]

Lived there, it is a good helpful post. No wonder "that" paper hard to follow.

Donald, I think I know "roots" and they are people that we should all strive to be and are of the highest integrity. Again, thank you.

[jeb stuart]

Informed Opinion wrote:

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William Bundy and Robert McNamara.
McNamara brought his genius to the World Bank where he engaged in further helpful work as described in the book "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".
In this shocking memoir, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins tells of his own inner journey from willing servant of empire to impassioned advocate for the rights of oppressed people. Covertly recruited by the United States National Security Agency and on the payroll of an international consulting firm, he traveled the world—to Indonesia, Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and other strategically important countries. His job was to implement policies that promoted the interests of the U.S. corporatocracy (a coalition of government, banks, and corporations) while professing to alleviate poverty—policies that alienated many nations and ultimately led to September 11 and growing anti-Americanism. Within a few weeks of its release , Confessions of an Economic Hit Man landed onThe New York Times Bestseller List ... According to John Perkins, "It is accomplishing an important objective in inspiring people to think and talk and to know that we can change the world."
“[A] gripping tell-all book….”
--Rocky Mountain News “John Perkins' story is so astonishing it defies belief…. imagine the conceptual love child of James Bond and Milton Friedman.”
--Boston Herald
“…compulsively readable and revealing.… Resisting threats and bribes, Perkins persisted and wrote his well-documented confessional. He has produced an unflinching and forceful insider’s look at how the U.S. government, multinational ‘aid’ organizations and corporations are following a dangerous path in their pursuit of oil and other resources.”

was just thinking,maybe it was'nt such a good idea to have brought up that war.

[jeb stuart]

can't remember,did you do that,or was it me?

[bored monitor]

Donald E Putnam Jr wrote:

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Unlike you I don't hide my location or my name and the VA head shrinker said I'm not crazy,other than the fact I live up to the standards you sheeple indoctrinated me with. A man is supposed to have honor and integrity something sadly lacking in sheeple like yourself. Also, many of you forget this is a 'Fighting Words' state, meaning you say the wrong thing to me I'm perfectly within my rights to beat the crap outta you. Georgia is a state full of stupid ignorant children, I've lived here all my life, I know. As children, you were supposed to learn,'sticks and stones, etc'. The unspoken part goes,'Nor cause me to do harm'! I live that, but lay a hand on me and I'll put you in the hospital if your lucky.

Thanks for ur service, highly unlikely u could beat the crap outta me, tough guy.

[Donald E Putnam Jr]

bored monitor wrote:

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Thanks for ur service, highly unlikely u could beat the crap outta me, tough guy.

Says the man, ooopss little girl hiding in the bushes.

[Not the Average Local]

Donald E Putnam Jr wrote:

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Says the man, ooopss little girl hiding in the bushes.

Maybe you and that nut called Mountain Voice can get together and show each other how tough you are.

[diddy]

Bankers, politicians, and those who would sell their souls for a dollar. Poor you. You just think you have it all.

[Donald E Putnam Jr]

Not the Average Local wrote:

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Maybe you and that nut called Mountain Voice can get together and show each other how tough you are.

Appears your reading comprehension skills are lacking as well. If you'd understood what I wrote you'd see I don't believe in the "Fighting Words" doctrine. Words are never a justification for violence.

[Informed Opinion]

Synergy wrote:

<quoted text>Lobbiests ARE a major part of the problem. As I stated, even the politicians we thought would represent us well have fallen for the lure. It seems they get caught up in the perks and then all bets are off. It's frustrating and disappointing.

Good points.

[Informed Opinion]

jeb stuart wrote:

<quoted text>was just thinking,maybe it was'nt such a good idea to have brought up that war.

I understand.

Every male in my family but one enlisted in the Marines when we were 17. We had a family member who served in Vietnam and was in Cambodia while we were claiming we weren't even there, and another who was Force Recon who spent weeks at a time in the North searching for POW camps.

Both left home for MCRD San Diego fine. One and came back with lots of emotional and substance abuse problems, the other came back so physically messed up he was never healthy again.

V.A. did nothing to help either but put then on drugs. One was gone before he reached 60, the other is still messed up.

I choose not to be bitter, just cynical, and to enjoy the vast majority of Americans who are good people and who do actually care.

Gotta see the bright side of life.

[jeb stuart]

Informed Opinion wrote:

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I understand.
Every male in my family but one enlisted in the Marines when we were 17. We had a family member who served in Vietnam and was in Cambodia while we were claiming we weren't even there, and another who was Force Recon who spent weeks at a time in the North searching for POW camps.
Both left home for MCRD San Diego fine. One and came back with lots of emotional and substance abuse problems, the other came back so physically messed up he was never healthy again.
V.A. did nothing to help either but put then on drugs. One was gone before he reached 60, the other is still messed up.
I choose not to be bitter, just cynical, and to enjoy the vast majority of Americans who are good people and who do actually care.
Gotta see the bright side of life.

i agree and accept full responsibility,my loss nowhere compares to yours and many others.this is so much different than the world wars or others.you and the others who chose are were drafted were not greeted back home as heros as those who fought in previous wars,and were not even appreciated as patriotic americans- even though your effort may have been even greater.i do hope i live to see the day when this is finally recognized.as you were,trooper.