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Culver's built on Indian Graves in Elizabethtown, Kentucky

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Culvers built on graves

Louisville, KY

#1 Dec 21, 2016
Why is Culver's allowed to be built upon graves of Native Americans? The location is I-65, Exit 94, Elizabethtown, Kentucky. The commercial development is officially titled as "The Overlook". Locals call the development "The Overgraves". This was a marked cemetery until just months ago when the developer bulldozed the headstones. This is extremely disrespectful to build upon the recently active cemetery which also contains the graves of people of Native American blood. The shady developers have corrupted the local government of Hardin County, Kentucky to allow these stores to build on a cemetery/graveyard of Native Americans. The other stores are Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express. So, in Elizabethtown, KY you can eat a burger, buy liquor and dance on the graves of Indians? Please do not patronize Culver's, Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express and others due to their lack of respect for the dead. Bad JuJu!
Actual Native

Greenville, KY

#2 Jan 8, 2017
This is so ridiculously false. Find something real to complain about; it's the internet, surely you can find something legitimate to be offended by.
ShaneonCulvers

United States

#4 May 12, 2017
Culvers built on graves wrote:
Why is Culver's allowed to be built upon graves of Native Americans? The location is I-65, Exit 94, Elizabethtown, Kentucky. The commercial development is officially titled as "The Overlook". Locals call the development "The Overgraves". This was a marked cemetery until just months ago when the developer bulldozed the headstones. This is extremely disrespectful to build upon the recently active cemetery which also contains the graves of people of Native American blood. The shady developers have corrupted the local government of Hardin County, Kentucky to allow these stores to build on a cemetery/graveyard of Native Americans. The other stores are Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express. So, in Elizabethtown, KY you can eat a burger, buy liquor and dance on the graves of Indians? Please do not patronize Culver's, Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express and others due to their lack of respect for the dead. Bad JuJu!
Shame on Culver's!
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#5 Jul 2, 2017
Categorically False. The site was a hotel BEFORE this. The old one was torn down. No grave sites exist on that property. I walked it many times. In fact, if you Google the subject, only ONE hit, THIS thread. In today's "I have to lose my mind about something" world, what are the odds that exactly ONE person, on the whole internet, ever heard or spoke of such a thing, and WHY would they put it on a local board hundreds of miles away? In Wisconsin? And not bring it up to the local news etc???

In fact, for giggles, I Google Mapped it.. you can CLEARLY see the old hotel. CLEARLY.

And no local calls it the "overgraves".. No one.

This post is literally proof of what can be wrong on the internet.
Public Protest Planned

Elizabethtown, KY

#6 Jul 14, 2017
Culvers built on graves wrote:
Why is Culver's allowed to be built upon graves of Native Americans? The location is I-65, Exit 94, Elizabethtown, Kentucky. The commercial development is officially titled as "The Overlook". Locals call the development "The Overgraves". This was a marked cemetery until just months ago when the developer bulldozed the headstones. This is extremely disrespectful to build upon the recently active cemetery which also contains the graves of people of Native American blood. The shady developers have corrupted the local government of Hardin County, Kentucky to allow these stores to build on a cemetery/graveyard of Native Americans. The other stores are Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express. So, in Elizabethtown, KY you can eat a burger, buy liquor and dance on the graves of Indians? Please do not patronize Culver's, Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express and others due to their lack of respect for the dead. Bad JuJu!
Apparently, Holiday Inn Express, Culvers are not family nor civic minded good citizens. Starbucks has thankfully withdrawn from building on a graveyard. The families and others disturbed by building on this graveyard will protest as soon as the road is opened to the public. Yes, TV cameras will expose this development for what it is. Talk about a California travel ban; this area and businesses will be banned by all offended by building on a graveyard.

Developer Ken Howard of Elizabethtown, KY has sold a graveyard for a Holiday Inn Express building site. The records are in the Hardin County Courthouse. The families will protest for the TV cameras.

Also, planning a protest at Culver's headquarters and Holiday Inn Express headquarters!

Are the graveyard headstones under the Holiday Inn Express? Tell us attorney Ken Howard, where did our families headstones go?
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#7 Jul 27, 2017
Jeez.. No, just no. Again, if such a thing happened, WHY would the only place on the WHOLE internet have anything on it.. be the Prairie Du Sac comments page, in Wisconsin????

Google map the development location SEE the old abandoned hotel that was torn down.. It really is that EASY.

Please tell us WHEN this protest is planned so we can come down and watch. And be sure to bring proof of said graveyard.
Documentary

United States

#8 Aug 8, 2017
SomeoneWhoKnows wrote:
Categorically False. The site was a hotel BEFORE this. The old one was torn down. No grave sites exist on that property. I walked it many times. In fact, if you Google the subject, only ONE hit, THIS thread. In today's "I have to lose my mind about something" world, what are the odds that exactly ONE person, on the whole internet, ever heard or spoke of such a thing, and WHY would they put it on a local board hundreds of miles away? In Wisconsin? And not bring it up to the local news etc???

In fact, for giggles, I Google Mapped it.. you can CLEARLY see the old hotel. CLEARLY.

And no local calls it the "overgraves".. No one.

This post is literally proof of what can be wrong on the internet.
I believe that you are the Land Surveyor and trying to salvage your reputation. Would you be willing to do an on air interview? There will be a documentary about this commercial development on a graveyard. By the way, the Kentucky Attorney General's Office has the record of the graveyard at this site. The old hotel was not on the graveyard, your new restaurants and hotels are on the graveyard. Please leave your contact information to record your official opinion
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#9 Aug 9, 2017
Documentary wrote:
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I believe that you are the Land Surveyor and trying to salvage your reputation. Would you be willing to do an on air interview? There will be a documentary about this commercial development on a graveyard. By the way, the Kentucky Attorney General's Office has the record of the graveyard at this site. The old hotel was not on the graveyard, your new restaurants and hotels are on the graveyard. Please leave your contact information to record your official opinion
If the Kentucky AG has record of it, why haven't they done anything? Why haven't you contacted, say, WHAS or WAVE3 with this pertinent info? Why isn't the desecration of a native American graveyard page 1 in C.J.?

I am not the surveyor or anything else. Just a guy who lives in the area. And likes Culver's. Found this thread because I wanted to see if there was a time frame for E-town's getting built. Googling "Elizabethtown Culver's" gets about 3 relevant hits. 2 about the board approving it, and this thread.

I have been to and on the "site" many times over the years. At one point, lived only a few blocks from it, and Mt Biked over there on some pretty decent trails. Even stayed in the old hotel back in '77 while at Fort Knox for basic training. Again, since the new development is right... RIGHT, where the old hotel was..

Isn't it strange that there is NO INFO ABOUT IT ANYWHERE??? In today's climate of being upset over everything.. no single page or campaign to be found with a google search?

BTW, I had breakfast with someone who REALLY knows the area in question last week, He said, and, of course, I quote.. "yes, there are in fact 2 native grave sites on the escarpment, neither, anywhere close to there." So since the escarpment area there is comprised of a dozen or so square miles.. I guess it could be argued that ALL of Elizabethtown is built on an "Indian sacred site"... LOL

Oh, and you post your contact info, and I will get back to you. LOL
Know more than you

United States

#10 Aug 9, 2017
SomeoneWhoKnows wrote:
<quoted text>

If the Kentucky AG has record of it, why haven't they done anything? Why haven't you contacted, say, WHAS or WAVE3 with this pertinent info? Why isn't the desecration of a native American graveyard page 1 in C.J.?

I am not the surveyor or anything else. Just a guy who lives in the area. And likes Culver's. Found this thread because I wanted to see if there was a time frame for E-town's getting built. Googling "Elizabethtown Culver's" gets about 3 relevant hits. 2 about the board approving it, and this thread.

I have been to and on the "site" many times over the years. At one point, lived only a few blocks from it, and Mt Biked over there on some pretty decent trails. Even stayed in the old hotel back in '77 while at Fort Knox for basic training. Again, since the new development is right... RIGHT, where the old hotel was..

Isn't it strange that there is NO INFO ABOUT IT ANYWHERE??? In today's climate of being upset over everything.. no single page or campaign to be found with a google search?

BTW, I had breakfast with someone who REALLY knows the area in question last week, He said, and, of course, I quote.. "yes, there are in fact 2 native grave sites on the escarpment, neither, anywhere close to there." So since the escarpment area there is comprised of a dozen or so square miles.. I guess it could be argued that ALL of Elizabethtown is built on an "Indian sacred site"... LOL

Oh, and you post your contact info, and I will get back to you. LOL
Apparently you do not know what you're talking about. The shady Developers had the modern graveyard officially "closed" before the local Planning and Development Board. The modern graveyard is know and recorded in Local government offices as well as KY Attorney General's Office as an official recording of graveyards sponsored by US House Representative Chandler. This was supposed to help graveyards from being paved over. However, if Developers pull a fast one in local government offices: you must hire an attorney to fight the decision of local government.

The old hotel was not built where the new Holiday Inn Express is being built. The roads are not in the same location, also approved by local government. The road is closed to the public, so you must be involved in these builds. The modern grave stones are no longer visible. Where headstones removed or buried under Holiday Inn Express foundation?

I went to visit family graves at this location while you were riding your bike. I still believe you are the land surveyor. Anyway a film documentary is coming. See you at the opening ceremonies for Culvers, Holiday Inn Express and Starbucks and any other non family friendly business that builds.
Shame on You!
Bob from E-town

Radcliff, KY

#11 Aug 15, 2017
What a funny read.. the road isn't closed, I was by there this weekend, drove all the way to the end of the road, it's a cul-de-sac BTW. There did used to be a hotel on that same spot. But, I agree with the other poster, if it's been done, why are you going on about it HERE?? Why aren't you making noise THERE? Or.. well.. here as it were. Call the News Enterprise in the morning, they have people who LIVE for this kind of stuff. They HATE the county government. Call WAVE3 up in Louisville. Call WDJX.. what's her name in the morning is always looking for something to rant about...

I do have to ask though.. How are there modern gravestones missing, from ancient native American burial site? I mean, was it modern, or ancient?
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#12 Aug 16, 2017
OK, so what you do, is contact Elizabethtown Govt. and point out that they are in violation of KRS 381.690. That is the state statute that REQUIRES the city to protect all graveyards. The text of it follows...

"Whenever any burial grounds lie within the corporate limits of a city the governing authorities of the city shall protect the burial grounds from being used for dumping grounds, building sites, playgrounds, places of entertainment and amusement, public parks, athletic fields or parking grounds."

AGAIN.. Since there is NOTHING on the internet/news/web search etc about it...

Oh, and if I was the "land surveyor", pretty sure I WOULDN'T be trying to help you take it public.

Please make sure you post in this thread when you plan to demonstrate, or shoot video footage for your "documentary". I want to come watch.
For the Record

United States

#13 Sep 29, 2017
Culvers built on graves wrote:
Why is Culver's allowed to be built upon graves of Native Americans? The location is I-65, Exit 94, Elizabethtown, Kentucky. The commercial development is officially titled as "The Overlook". Locals call the development "The Overgraves". This was a marked cemetery until just months ago when the developer bulldozed the headstones. This is extremely disrespectful to build upon the recently active cemetery which also contains the graves of people of Native American blood. The shady developers have corrupted the local government of Hardin County, Kentucky to allow these stores to build on a cemetery/graveyard of Native Americans. The other stores are Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express. So, in Elizabethtown, KY you can eat a burger, buy liquor and dance on the graves of Indians? Please do not patronize Culver's, Starbucks and Holiday Inn Express and others due to their lack of respect for the dead. Bad JuJu!
News Enterprise newspaper, Elizabethtown, KY September 24,2014: Edlin Cemetery allowed to be zoned for commercial development.

Hardin County Fiscal Court, Regular Meeting September 23, 2014. 20 unmarked graves and possibly more and 13 marked graves were permitted to become a commercial development.

Newspaper has phot of headstone of Revolutionary War soldier John Swank in the Edlin Cemetery, now known as The Crossings at Buffalo Creek, Exit 94 I-64, Elizabethtown, KY
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#14 Oct 16, 2017
All that not withstanding, I went by there yesterday, I can absolutleyslamdamnguaretee the Culvers is NOT built on any graves. It is physically where the old entrance road to the defunct hotel was.

I am going to be in town tomorrow and will do an archive search of the N.E. BUT again.. since it violates a STATE STATUTE, if done.. why was nothing said for years?
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#17 Oct 20, 2017
Well.. I stopped by the Ridge Spring cemetery yesterday. Not only is John Swank's headstone there, in the family plot he seems to belong to, but, the local family descendants made up new stones for his children and wife etc. I can find no "shadiness" involved in ANY of this, beyond the OP's screaming about nothing, and apparently being to consumed with rage to do 20 minutes of research for the true answer.

I see no way to attach a picture here, but I took a couple. If you post your e-mail addy, I will send them to you.

Or, when you come to protest, and film your documentary, you can find them yourselves in the Ridge Spring United Methodist Cemetery, 7279 Rineyville-Big Springs Rd, Rineyville KY 40162. It's about a 20 minute drive from the abandoned cemetery location. You can google that and see the church and cemetery clearly.
Bob from E-town

Radcliff, KY

#19 Nov 1, 2017
Don't know why this popped in my head to look it up this morning.. Very interesting.. looks like the guy who knows, knows even more now, and I agree, a complete non-issue, a few moments research would have answered every single one of the OP's questions and issues. But.. I suspect they didn't really want answers. Just to throw a fit. The information was all available way before they started this rant.

One thing, to "someone who knows"... the whole point of the being in this newspapers forum area is that it's the HOME of the Culver's company home town.. so, they were trying to strike right at the company. Don't seem to have gotten any bites. I now think I need to go look around the Seattle area papers to see if they are going to go protest and shoot a documentary there at their HQ also... LOL
Dave Culver unethical

United States

#20 Nov 3, 2017
SomeoneWhoKnows wrote:
Well.. I stopped by the Ridge Spring cemetery yesterday. Not only is John Swank's headstone there, in the family plot he seems to belong to, but, the local family descendants made up new stones for his children and wife etc. I can find no "shadiness" involved in ANY of this, beyond the OP's screaming about nothing, and apparently being to consumed with rage to do 20 minutes of research for the true answer.

I see no way to attach a picture here, but I took a couple. If you post your e-mail addy, I will send them to you.

Or, when you come to protest, and film your documentary, you can find them yourselves in the Ridge Spring United Methodist Cemetery, 7279 Rineyville-Big Springs Rd, Rineyville KY 40162. It's about a 20 minute drive from the abandoned cemetery location. You can google that and see the church and cemetery clearly.
You ,re quite the excuse maker. That headstone was moved. The point is the bones in the 38 graves WERE NOT MOVED. I care about the bones in the 38 graves. Headstones are just for show.

Could you produce a receipt from James "Jimbo" Hartledge, Dewight Preston or Judge Kenneth Howard, for the removal and reinternment of the bones/skeletal remains of the 38 graves THAT WERE PAVED OVER?

Of course you can't produce a receipt because the bones are still under Holdiday Inn Express, Starbucks and Culvers! The cost of respectfully removing the bones and the new road would exceed the sale cost of building lots sold to Holiday Inn Express, Starbucks and Culvers!

Dave Culver is unethical and has no respect for family values; those Culvers TV ads will be a great contrast in the film documentary. See you at the Hollywood Premier!
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#21 Nov 16, 2017
Did you read the news article? The one with pictures and a description of the dig? Or, did they just make all that up and fake the pictures?

AGAIN>> Please Please Please POST UP HERE when you are coming to shoot the documentary etc.. I REALLY want to see it.

Actually, I can't provide a receipt for that any more then I can provide a receipt for your breakfast this morning.. I ain't any of the people involved.

Again.. PLEASE, I will try to remember to check daily for a response that tells me when you will be here, shooting video, to take to Hollywood.. LOL

BTW, Better hurry, the Starbucks and McDonalds will open soon, and I see Culver's is already hiring and training..
knows more than you

United States

#22 Nov 29, 2017
SomeoneWhoKnows wrote:
Did you read the news article? The one with pictures and a description of the dig? Or, did they just make all that up and fake the pictures?

AGAIN>> Please Please Please POST UP HERE when you are coming to shoot the documentary etc.. I REALLY want to see it.

Actually, I can't provide a receipt for that any more then I can provide a receipt for your breakfast this morning.. I ain't any of the people involved.

Again.. PLEASE, I will try to remember to check daily for a response that tells me when you will be here, shooting video, to take to Hollywood.. LOL

BTW, Better hurry, the Starbucks and McDonalds will open soon, and I see Culver's is already hiring and training..
Apparently, you're not a very good reader.

Local newspaper ; "News Enterprise"September 24,2014 "Fiscal Couty votes to allow relocation of cemetery" The problem is the graveyard bones of the dead people were NOT MOVED; thus they are under the foundations of Culvers, Holiday Inn Express, Starbucks and McDonalds!

Jimbo Hartlage and Judge Kenneth Howard pulled a fast one; did not "relocate bones" only the headstones and "called it good", sold the land and is being developed.

So, you (think you're the land surveyor and "Bob from E-Town" (Hardin County Fiscal Court Judge Executive) can make all the excuses you want. Holiday Inn Express is slowing construction of the hotel until they figure out the FRAUD that has been committed against them. McDonald's has hired a lawyer to understand the local laws regarding this FRAUD.

Meanwhile, this movie just keeps getting better!
SomeoneWhoKnows

Radcliff, KY

#23 Nov 29, 2017
I am not a good reader??

Did you not read the two articles I linked????

In post number 15, and 16, I literally linked the news paper reports of the dig, which included references to who participated and what their qualifications are/were, with PICTURES of the dig.

Now lets talk some adult stuff.. "McDonald's has hired a lawyer".. Really? McDonald's doesn't "hire lawyers" they have on staff legal representation 24/7, like any billion dollar business. Their legal dept. assuredly makes sure every "T" is crossed and every "i" dotted, LONG before they stick a shovel in the ground. And I am pretty darn sure Holiday Inn does the same.

LOL. again, I ain't anybody but a guy that can't wait to have a butter burger without having to drive 50 miles to get it. and.. LOL.. I have no freeking clue who "Bob from E-town" is.

Again, feel FREE to let me know when you are coming to shoot video. I really really really really want to see you in action.
You know nothing

United States

#24 Nov 30, 2017
SomeoneWhoKnows wrote:
I am not a good reader??

Did you not read the two articles I linked????

In post number 15, and 16, I literally linked the news paper reports of the dig, which included references to who participated and what their qualifications are/were, with PICTURES of the dig.

Now lets talk some adult stuff.. "McDonald's has hired a lawyer".. Really? McDonald's doesn't "hire lawyers" they have on staff legal representation 24/7, like any billion dollar business. Their legal dept. assuredly makes sure every "T" is crossed and every "i" dotted, LONG before they stick a shovel in the ground. And I am pretty darn sure Holiday Inn does the same.

LOL. again, I ain't anybody but a guy that can't wait to have a butter burger without having to drive 50 miles to get it. and.. LOL.. I have no freeking clue who "Bob from E-town" is.

Again, feel FREE to let me know when you are coming to shoot video. I really really really really want to see you in action.
I have provided the only referenced article. You have simply provided your opinion- not facts. The facts are these business are built on the graves containing still containing the bones. Those bones do include John Swank a War Hero. So, nice try, but no one values your opinions. Though this will make a small footnote in the film documentary. You know ignorant locals who think their opinion is fact, start every discussion in a loud voice; "I've lived here my whole life"

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