tyc367

Ballston Spa, NY

#192 Jun 30, 2013
Glens Falls wrote:
tyc367,
I'm from Manhattan, not the Town of Day. You know what they say about assuming... I think that's never been truer than in this case. My mothers family is from the Hudson Falls Glens Falls area. You are ignorant and offensive. The fact that you refer to the people in that film, and in the town now as "incestuous, sickly proto-humans" without having even had a single conversation with any of them just proves everything I said about you in my previous comments, so... thanks, I guess. You are a bad person, and I hope that the people from the town who read this thread don't take the ignorant bile you just spewed here to heart.
The film IS a living narrative- a conversation. Their outlook, worldview, potential...and standards of living. Maybe you should watch it again and see if you walk away feeling like this is a way of life that should be propagated and defended (as you ludicrously imply with your defense of the decrepit souls depicted in the documentary).
I know Glens Falls very well. Went to college with two kids from South Glens Falls. I'm not casting aspersions about where you Mom is from because Glens Falls isn't a sickly, hapless, hamlet that people are afraid of and make disturbing/saddening documentaries about!!!! Glens Falls is totally dissimilar from Allentown (which is considered Hadley, btw, not Day).
Grew up spending summers on Lake George. I've been to that area of Sacandaga and know the Lake very well, and (you must have missed it from one of my previous posts), unlike you, have met people from The Hollow.
In any case.....you keep saying "Who are you to judge?". It's called human well-being, sir. Or, conversely, wretchedness. Do you honestly need to be educated on the effects of generational inbreeding and the hell that it brings?
Speaking of which....you DO realize you're defending inbreeding here, correct? Let's just put that out there.
tyc367

Ballston Spa, NY

#193 Jun 30, 2013
http://alb.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.reques...
Had to dig awhile to find this!
Goes into more detail about squalor and isolation- and the hopes of many of the youngers- about getting modern amenities, moving forward, and improving their lives.
I've also been searching the Skidmore Library for O. Roger Gallagher's work, as apparently he may have been the foremost genealogist and historian of that niche/evclave.

Since: Jun 13

Hefei, China

#194 Jun 30, 2013
I have a really long story on my myspace.
Menz

Des Moines, IA

#195 Jul 1, 2013
@ConnieHoffman.... no one uses MySpace anymore. i would love to read what you have there but will not be able to find it, let alone read it. please copy and paste it here for us to read.
Glens Falls

Albany, NY

#196 Jul 1, 2013
tyc367 wrote:
<quoted text>
The film IS a living narrative- a conversation. Their outlook, worldview, potential...and standards of living. Maybe you should watch it again and see if you walk away feeling like this is a way of life that should be propagated and defended (as you ludicrously imply with your defense of the decrepit souls depicted in the documentary).
I know Glens Falls very well. Went to college with two kids from South Glens Falls. I'm not casting aspersions about where you Mom is from because Glens Falls isn't a sickly, hapless, hamlet that people are afraid of and make disturbing/saddening documentaries about!!!! Glens Falls is totally dissimilar from Allentown (which is considered Hadley, btw, not Day).
Grew up spending summers on Lake George. I've been to that area of Sacandaga and know the Lake very well, and (you must have missed it from one of my previous posts), unlike you, have met people from The Hollow.
In any case.....you keep saying "Who are you to judge?". It's called human well-being, sir. Or, conversely, wretchedness. Do you honestly need to be educated on the effects of generational inbreeding and the hell that it brings?
Speaking of which....you DO realize you're defending inbreeding here, correct? Let's just put that out there.
It isn't my place to tell anyone else how to live, and there are absolutely no solid references besides the nonsense tales on forums like this to suggest rampant inbreeding exists still, or ever existed in the town, I'm not saying that it did not happen, but the extent and duration has been grossly exaggerated by small minded individuals like yourself, who continue to perpetuate hatred and prejudice for no reason. I am just not going to start damning an entire town and its people without having ever been there or talking to anyone in it, unlike you. You seem totally happy to call them all terrible names and make fun of mentally disabled children because you are apparently the moral authority of the country, and can speak for everyone in it. You speak directly to me in every other post and you talk about "my town", and "my kin", but I am NOT FROM THE TOWN, nor have I ever been there. You assumed I was from the town incorrectly because you are a moron and needed to make it seem like the only people "defending" the town must be FROM the town. It is just a very interesting subject that has a lot of nut-jobs (not unlike yourself) spouting off BS campfire stories, and moral righteousness without any evidence to support it. You also talk a lot about how "everyone in the outside world" views the town and its people as "incestuous sickly proto-humans"... I am from the outside world, I do not share your viewpoint at all, so DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME. I do not want to be lumped into your ignorance and bigotry. You do not, and cannot, address any of the actual points I made in my previous comments and you keep hammering home the same nonsense arguments we have all heard a million times by you and everyone else in this forum. WE GET IT, you hate the people in the town that you have never met. Move on.
Rene

Gloversville, NY

#197 Jul 2, 2013
Glens Falls wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you so much for the info, Rene!
I have a few more questions for you... Personally, I loved the documentary. The people seem very down to earth and uncommonly genuine. How do the residents feel about the film, and how did it affect the area? I assume you all had a few more visitors to the area as a result. To be honest, I have been researching the town very heavily over the past few weeks, and the history is amazing.
I would love to visit the town and meet the people who live there, especially anyone featured in the film. I would consider it an honor. I live so close, it would be easy to drive up one day on a weekend and hang out. Do you think that would be ok? I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm "running on them".:) Thanks again, I am looking forward to hearing from you.
My Gram is still here and not many more ...... No one will think you are running on them unless you stop randomly and ask stupid questions as some girls did a few years ago... We also have a sand pit for wheelers and dirt bikes .... And I would love to tell u more or introduce you to my gram whom knows a lot more than me about back then lol :)
Rene

Gloversville, NY

#198 Jul 2, 2013
tyc367 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Down to earth"? They are clearly depressed, the most articulate of them (young man with the son) is clearly defensive about his lot in life/area where they live, and most of the interviewees seem totally hapless and bereft of hope.
I grew up not that far from this place, and my career brought me quite a bit closer.
I've now heard three very disturbing stories about this place were brought up to me by three different (reputable) people, on three diff occasions....and none of the three knew one another. That's how I got interested.
It's obvious that almost all of it- including almost every fantastical word on this thread- is total nonsense conjured up by kids and people who think and talk like kids. I'm sure people have been attacked up there, but I'm sure most were asking for it by being arrogant and insulting or even downright harassing to the residents. Maybe some were mindful and quiet, and some violent crazies attacked them anyway. Seems less likely.
I'm sure people have gotten lost, and it's possible people have been killed. The people in the documentary are so degenerative and creepy that such occurrences certainly don't sound far-fetched, at all.
That said, the story is still proffered widely that the local police dismissed the place for decades (out of fear.... that resulted in many years of total neglect). It's also been said about The Hollow that scant few people come in and stay, or ever make it out (not literally, necessarily, but much more in a figurative sense).
To the locals: So you know this is genuine, unlike all the other *garbage* posted on this thread: I know someone who met Andy Allen, of Allen's Painting and Roofing in Hadley. A few years ago, apparently Andy was peddling contracts for jobs in the area. He said there was a band of people with him that were all horrendously impaired- kind of a band of disabled gypsies. Little people with facial deformities who were very difficult to understand verbally. It made a significant impression on everyone who in this age, in this country: sickly, blatantly stricken by poverty and incest (and the genetic disorders and blight that the latter bring). Devastated by ignorance and totally cloistered to the modern world and all its amenities.
This is hell on Earth, to me.
I can only HOPE that things have improved/modernized drastically in the past 38 years, and that the gene pool is kaleidoscopic (!) now as compared to when that film was made. For the sake of the residents!!
LMAO I don't know who you are nor now do I wanna know ... But please know if you do come up here after running your mouth and assuming things I hope just maybe ur vehicle gets trashed or we decide to pull out our guns and shoot ur tires out so you get stranded and we get to torture you!!!! You sound so freaking retarded!!! And Andy Allen ?? If u are referring to my uncle who passed away a few years ago your a low piece of shit!!!!! You know nothing about my town or anyone up here!!! Just cause some people don't look the same as others or speak the same cause they have problems don't mean u have the right to run on them!!!! I go to Walmart and see guys begging for money wearing filthy clothes ... I go to stores and see people searching for cig butts and other things all not in my area but I don't stoop so low to run on them !!! I don't know their story or anything about them!!! You have a lot of growing up to do!!!! If you ever wanna come up and meet any of the Allen's I will be glad to introduce you with all my uncles and my dad standing right there and when you run your mouth you won't have one to talk anymore!!!!! Peace out and before responding go to a library and learn how to read and also maybe you can listen to the truth and believe it before hearing stories and running with them!!!!
Rene

Gloversville, NY

#199 Jul 2, 2013
tyc367 wrote:
<quoted text>
The film IS a living narrative- a conversation. Their outlook, worldview, potential...and standards of living. Maybe you should watch it again and see if you walk away feeling like this is a way of life that should be propagated and defended (as you ludicrously imply with your defense of the decrepit souls depicted in the documentary).
I know Glens Falls very well. Went to college with two kids from South Glens Falls. I'm not casting aspersions about where you Mom is from because Glens Falls isn't a sickly, hapless, hamlet that people are afraid of and make disturbing/saddening documentaries about!!!! Glens Falls is totally dissimilar from Allentown (which is considered Hadley, btw, not Day).
Grew up spending summers on Lake George. I've been to that area of Sacandaga and know the Lake very well, and (you must have missed it from one of my previous posts), unlike you, have met people from The Hollow.
In any case.....you keep saying "Who are you to judge?". It's called human well-being, sir. Or, conversely, wretchedness. Do you honestly need to be educated on the effects of generational inbreeding and the hell that it brings?
Speaking of which....you DO realize you're defending inbreeding here, correct? Let's just put that out there.
Hey dumbass .... It's considered town of Day!!! Mailing address is Hadley!!! And whom do you claim on knowing up here anyways !????? And hate to tell ya but we live the same way you and everyone else does!!!! Running water washer dryer carpets house or trailer. Clothes food. You are NO better than anyone up here and those kids your running on in the video happen to have more heart and brain than. You!!!!! You should be ashamed of yourself running on kids in a video for one and your parents should be ashamed to have raised an ignorant judging asshole!!!!! You know nothing about The Hollow but act as if you do !!!! You are probably one of those scared ass bitches who drive on Min Allen rd or Walter Maxfield rd video taping the trees or houses elsewhere .... Or the ones the only record the trailers up here lmao ..... All you people think you are better well guess what!?!? WE APPARENTLY MATTER AND ARE SOMEWHAT POPULAR LMAO THEY MADE A VIDEO ON OUR TOWN!!!!!!:) haters can hate but don't judge someone you ain't ever met!!!!!!
Floyd Gondolli

Ballston Spa, NY

#200 Jul 17, 2013
Rene wrote:
<quoted text>
Lmao there is a rock when u come on the road on the right where kids painted a smiley face no biggy, lol as far as buses being stacked for a home not up here must be some other town. There is not just one house up here many are trailers but there are houses as well and there's only one camper up here we all have electricity running water and anything you would have that is needed for living.... Most aren't as rich as others and don't have fancy cars and fancy houses but there are no dirt floors , or people with no water or lights lmao.... And as far as ppls videos of being up here 1- some of them cut out the houses and just do trailers....2- some of them are just poor people up here....3- some are stupid and aren't even in the Hollow they are on Walter Maxfield rd or Min Allen rd lol :) hope this helps and noone would chase u out of here unless u mes with the kids or start trouble with people they do stand their ground and if it happens with my dad or uncles they all have each others back no matter what!
"A guy here writes:


mikesbutterfly8189 1 year ago

lmao this is not allentown actually&#65279; this is walter maxfield rd, must of been too chicken shit to come into the true "allentown"!!!! "

Hi Rene! I have a few questions. I want to help dispel the myths and horror stories about your town by visiting. Where exactly is The Hollow, if it isn't Walter Maxfield Road, or Min Allen Road? Do you live there now? About how many people live there? What do people do for a living? Do they allow help from outside agencies and social services now?

What do you think of these articles people posted? What has changed in 20 years?

http://alb.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.reques...

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/12/nyregion/ad...
Floyd Gondolli

Ballston Spa, NY

#201 Jul 17, 2013
Rene wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO I don't know who you are nor now do I wanna know ... But please know if you do come up here after running your mouth and assuming things I hope just maybe ur vehicle gets trashed or we decide to pull out our guns and shoot ur tires out so you get stranded and we get to torture you!!!! You sound so freaking retarded!!! And Andy Allen ?? If u are referring to my uncle who passed away a few years ago your a low piece of shit!!!!! You know nothing about my town or anyone up here!!! Just cause some people don't look the same as others or speak the same cause they have problems don't mean u have the right to run on them!!!! I go to Walmart and see guys begging for money wearing filthy clothes ... I go to stores and see people searching for cig butts and other things all not in my area but I don't stoop so low to run on them !!! I don't know their story or anything about them!!! You have a lot of growing up to do!!!! If you ever wanna come up and meet any of the Allen's I will be glad to introduce you with all my uncles and my dad standing right there and when you run your mouth you won't have one to talk anymore!!!!! Peace out and before responding go to a library and learn how to read and also maybe you can listen to the truth and believe it before hearing stories and running with them!!!!
Rene, is it safe for outsiders to visit, or is it likely outsiders be seen as a threat or problem and be dealt with the way you're threatening here? I understand people see outsiders as hostile and a nuisance. I ask because your threats here sound like the threats people are afraid of and tell stories about like this one.

http://www.jerkmagazine.net/in-the-issue/smut...
Lori

Schuylerville, NY

#202 Aug 11, 2013
OK. Listen up! I work with an Allen. They are very nice people. If you read anything about the place you would know that they just want to be left alone. Seeing as though you have alot of time on your hands, you might want to get a job, stop your welfare ways, quit judging everyone else and take a page from "The Allen's book." Most of them have jobs and their welfare use is low. Read people!!!!!!! The people who seem to be so judgemental about them are the ones you see with their EBT cards at the grocery store buying candy and soda. And not even for their children. Get a ,?!!:/, life. Oh and a job. Maybe you could get an education too.
Menz

Des Moines, IA

#203 Aug 12, 2013
Such angry people on here.
Rene

Gloversville, NY

#204 Aug 12, 2013
Floyd Gondolli wrote:
<quoted text>
"A guy here writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qck_5e0vFykXX
mikesbutterfly8189 1 year ago
lmao this is not allentown actually&#65279; this is walter maxfield rd, must of been too chicken shit to come into the true "allentown"!!!! "
Hi Rene! I have a few questions. I want to help dispel the myths and horror stories about your town by visiting. Where exactly is The Hollow, if it isn't Walter Maxfield Road, or Min Allen Road? Do you live there now? About how many people live there? What do people do for a living? Do they allow help from outside agencies and social services now?
What do you think of these articles people posted? What has changed in 20 years?
http://alb.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.reques...
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/12/nyregion/ad...
I am the one who wrote that, cause Walter maxfield rd is NOT the Hollow or part of "Allentown" the Hollow is a rd like any other rd we have blacktop and houses and trailers and kids and rocks and etc.... People do diff kinda of work, logging, tree service, firewood, odds n ends ... The people up here are the same as everyone else! everyone can't afford a house or double wide there are trailers up here but there normal trailers ... Carpets tile etc .... The stupid people that run on my town or say stupid shit should look at themselves apparently their life sux if there gonna run on a town and listen and go with myths and rumors and hear say about something!!!! I am done with this page I said all I have to say... U wanna know more google it and visit sometime And its hollow rd NOT Allentown! Peace out!!!
Rene

Gloversville, NY

#205 Aug 12, 2013
ConnieHoffman wrote:
I have a really long story on my myspace.
Is ur story real? Or is it made up bull shit stories like everyone else ??? lmao cause I'm pretty sure if it made ur MySpace it has to be a oh my God I took a trip there once and the trees are all u can see I was running so fast and they chased me or how about they have a rock up there and it's so freaky cause some kids painted it or maybe haha I like this one lmao I went up there and they chased us with guns and their trucks outta there and I thought I was gonna shit myself and I was on Walter maxfield rd and not even in the Hollow lmfao please do tell what u decided to write cause I'm sure either way if it was a "story" it was as fake as The rest! Lmao :)
Allen

Corinth, NY

#206 Aug 12, 2013
You are all frigging kidding me. Who wants to get sued? Check out your frigging information before you post it. This site is being reported and is about to contact you all.
Floyd Gondolli

Saratoga Springs, NY

#207 Sep 8, 2013
Allen wrote:
You are all frigging kidding me. Who wants to get sued? Check out your frigging information before you post it. This site is being reported and is about to contact you all.
Sued for what exactly, Mr. Allen? What is everyone being reported for, and why are you threatening everyone?
Floyd Gondolli

Saratoga Springs, NY

#208 Sep 8, 2013
Rene wrote:
<quoted text>
I am the one who wrote that, cause Walter maxfield rd is NOT the Hollow or part of "Allentown" the Hollow is a rd like any other rd we have blacktop and houses and trailers and kids and rocks and etc.... People do diff kinda of work, logging, tree service, firewood, odds n ends ... The people up here are the same as everyone else! everyone can't afford a house or double wide there are trailers up here but there normal trailers ... Carpets tile etc .... The stupid people that run on my town or say stupid shit should look at themselves apparently their life sux if there gonna run on a town and listen and go with myths and rumors and hear say about something!!!! I am done with this page I said all I have to say... U wanna know more google it and visit sometime And its hollow rd NOT Allentown! Peace out!!!
Hi Rene!

Thanks so much for responding! I want to know the real Hollow, and would love to know the people there. Where in town do you live? I'd LOVE to visit...I love the views I've seen of the Lake and Valley....I don't want to be scared of people seeing me as a hostile or menacing outsider, and wanting me out of town, though.(Not saying that happens, but the urban legend is that outsiders aren't welcome, which is sad.)

Of course.... I totally understand if many people don't want outsiders coming in (for many reasons). And I respect that!:)

I'm tired of every single person I meet repeating the same horror stories or old legends "The police won't go up there" "People dissapear and never come back" etc. I want to see it for myself and know people and put the myth to rest....forever.

So "The Hollow" itself if actually S. Hollow Road, Rice Road, Min Allen Rd., and the bottom of Steve Kathan Road?

About how many families/houses are there? What's the closest store/gas station? What's your favorite spot where you live? Or the most beautiful place around there?

Thanks again, Rene!
Menz

Des Moines, IA

#209 Sep 9, 2013
^^^ i agree with Floyd ^^^
Rene

Old Forge, NY

#210 Sep 10, 2013
Floyd Gondolli wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Rene!
Thanks so much for responding! I want to know the real Hollow, and would love to know the people there. Where in town do you live? I'd LOVE to visit...I love the views I've seen of the Lake and Valley....I don't want to be scared of people seeing me as a hostile or menacing outsider, and wanting me out of town, though.(Not saying that happens, but the urban legend is that outsiders aren't welcome, which is sad.)
Of course.... I totally understand if many people don't want outsiders coming in (for many reasons). And I respect that!:)
I'm tired of every single person I meet repeating the same horror stories or old legends "The police won't go up there" "People dissapear and never come back" etc. I want to see it for myself and know people and put the myth to rest....forever.
So "The Hollow" itself if actually S. Hollow Road, Rice Road, Min Allen Rd., and the bottom of Steve Kathan Road?
About how many families/houses are there? What's the closest store/gas station? What's your favorite spot where you live? Or the most beautiful place around there?
Thanks again, Rene!
I actually have family on all of those roads and Steve kathan rd there are no houses... Steve kathan is my uncle, and I don't have a favorite spot up here only Vicks aka the wheeler trails and sand pits..... The closest store is 10 minutes away which is a gas station aka Stewart's ... Walmart and the mall is like 30 minutes away people will wave and stare if you come up and noone knows u but won't shoot or chase u..... Those are just rumors ... 5 minutes down the road is the sacandaga overlook aka the dam and I think that's the prettiest view around!
Mmj

Clifton Park, NY

#211 Oct 3, 2013
bobby wrote:
Those inbreds are a bunch of retards who probably don't even pay taxes on their land because they don't have jobs like every respectable human being on the face of the planet. Shit, maybe i'll move in, start a meth lab and make millions because no law enforcement will patrol the area. How can the state of new york just look the other way, and not recognize the severe issues that this situation can create? This isn't appalachia, this is upstate Ny.
You are an idiot the Appalachian mountains end in up state Ny. In NY it is legal to Marry your first cousin but it is not in most states in the south to which I'm sure you are referring to as Appalachia. Next time get your shit strait before you insult people you don't know and stop being an asshole also have a nice day

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