Bible disproves itself on the first few pages

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Explain this bible people

Tully, NY

#1 Sep 13, 2011
Bible disproves itself on the first few pages!!

This is sort of a reply to the bible thumper that just posted "Bible is God's WORD" or some other nonsense like that.

If you want to see the bible negate itself, answer this question, oh peddlers of nonsense:

Which came first, man or the animals?

If you say "the bible says that animals came first, it's written in Chapter 1", you would be correct, but at the same time, God would be very angry with you, because God, using his almighty bible-authoring pen, clearly shows us in Genesis Chapter 2 that man came first, brought him to Eden, THEN created the animals out of the ground.

If you then say "well clearly then, God made man first, then brought him to Eden, where he later made the animals", then your heresy will cost you dearly, as God CLEARLY STATES in Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 24 "Let the earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures" then LATER in Verse 26 says "Let us make man in our image."

So, you heretics who doubt the "True" word of God, which came first, Adam or the Animals? And when you realize you cannot work your way out of that paradox, and admit that either Chapter 1 is wrong or Chapter 2 is wrong, because clearly both cannot be the truth, ask yourself: which other parts of the bible might be wrong... because there are many other inconsistencies out there. Maybe even lurking under your favorite bible-thumping quotes.
Bob the milk man

Syracuse, NY

#2 Oct 21, 2011
Bravo. I actually checked this out and he's right. It does exactly that.
It's a big lie people. get over it already.
humble

Hamilton, NY

#3 Oct 25, 2011
Bob the milk man wrote:
Bravo. I actually checked this out and he's right. It does exactly that.
It's a big lie people. get over it already.
stick to delivering milk and deal with it! the truth of Gods word is here to stay whether u like it or not scoffer!
humble

Hamilton, NY

#4 Oct 25, 2011
i think one day that you people you scoffers are in for a rude awakening, best prepare yourselves!
Bob the milk man

Syracuse, NY

#5 Oct 26, 2011
humble wrote:
<quoted text> stick to delivering milk and deal with it! the truth of Gods word is here to stay whether u like it or not scoffer!
OK. Explain it to me then. Explain Adam and Eve just like the other poster pointed out. Explain Noah. Explain it all and don't hide behind that usual answer of "it's all in the bible". It ISN'T!
Come on - explain it if you dare. You say it's always the truth. Tell me.
humble

Hamilton, NY

#6 Oct 27, 2011
Bob the milk man wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Explain it to me then. Explain Adam and Eve just like the other poster pointed out. Explain Noah. Explain it all and don't hide behind that usual answer of "it's all in the bible". It ISN'T!
Come on - explain it if you dare. You say it's always the truth. Tell me.
there,s no need for an explanation
Questions of life

Syracuse, NY

#7 Oct 30, 2011
humble wrote:
<quoted text>there,s no need for an explanation
Like the man said - you can't explain it because it never happened. Get over it. You'll be a lot happier if you accept life as it is and not some fairy tale written for the sake of people with intelligence of a maple tree. Think for a minute. When the bible was written people still thought the world was flat. Good example.
Funny thing

Syracuse, NY

#8 Nov 14, 2011
Funny thing how none of the Bible slappers replied. It's right. It contradicts itself just like he says.

What say you Bible readers? Care to explain?
Thoughtful

Hsinchu, Taiwan

#9 Nov 23, 2011
I think each should leave each other alone.

This clearly was started by a very angry person.

Search your own heart, all of you.

Why are you all trying to prove each other wrong?

Who needs to feel justified here?
Questions of life

Syracuse, NY

#10 Dec 24, 2011
Figures. No replies. That means they don't have the answer. Why? Because they know I've got a valid point that can't be answered. Even THEY don't know how it happened. It never did. The sooner you people move on with your lives, the sooner you'll be happy and released from a fictional story book. You could always adopt Harry Potter as your newest lifes guide. It's almost as believable as the Bible.
humble

Hamilton, NY

#11 Dec 29, 2011
Questions of life wrote:
Figures. No replies. That means they don't have the answer. Why? Because they know I've got a valid point that can't be answered. Even THEY don't know how it happened. It never did. The sooner you people move on with your lives, the sooner you'll be happy and released from a fictional story book. You could always adopt Harry Potter as your newest lifes guide. It's almost as believable as the Bible.
Ask God to help you understand
Questions of life

Syracuse, NY

#12 Dec 29, 2011
According to people like you God put his words in the Bible. I don't see any understanding there. Do you? Why don't you quote me something so that I'll know exactly where to look "Humble". This is a cop out. And why does the New Testament leave out the fact that Eve was NOT Adam's first wife. It was Lillith. But she went in the wrong direction according to the Old Testament, so God made Eve from Adam's rib - or so it says. Again, which book is right??
When will you people wake up and see this as nothing but a fairy tale.
By the way, who was there writing all this stuff down when Adam and Eve were the only people on earth? And where did Cain get his wife? It's no mentioned in the Bible anywhere until it tells of Cain leaving with his wife and son Enoch for the city. What city??? Where the hell did THAT come in??
Answer the questions and you just may gain a new believer.
Tim

Gwinn, MI

#13 Feb 14, 2012
I just looked this up. It does say that animal came before man. Then I clearly took it upon myself to read all of chapter two. It says "God placed man in Eden." PLACED, not created. Before it says he placed man about 10 verses back it said he created man from the ground. Then he placed them in Eden. Clearly you don't read very well.
Questions of life

Syracuse, NY

#14 Feb 24, 2012
I don't know what Bible you're reading but there's nothing of that sort in mine. It just goes to show you that it depends on the book you're reading. I checked it out and the guy was right. In fact, if you read on, there's many such contradictions throughout the whole book. I read if several times and find most of it hard to even believe at all. I mean, afterall, how can the gospels be even close to what happened back then when it took 400 years to write them down. And we all know how a story snow-balls after it gets told. And what about the gospels that the early catholics left out? What were they afraid of? history has shown that it's nothing more than a method to control people - just like communism was. The intention was good, but the people were duped into believing something that just wasn't true. Do you really believe that we all came from one set of humans? How can this be? And Noah's Ark? Come on now. It's a parable, a story to tell to people of lesser minds who would believe anything you told them and the would give the church power over them.
I was like you. But then I started to ask logical questions but got no answers. Same old reply. "Read it in the Bible". Well, the Bible never provided answers. THere was too many loop holes. Science has proven beyond any doubt that most of what's in the Bible could not have happened. God gave us great minds to figure this out, so use yours. It's nothing more than a representation of how life started in words historical man could understand. Sort of like telling your 5 year old that thunder is God bowling or something like that.
Another question: If I'm to believe in hell and that this is where I'll go if I break any commandments, does that make me equal to people such as Hitler or Sadam? They'll be there too. Right? So, am I to believe that no matter how hard I try, I'm doomed like the Bible slappers tell us when they visit my front door? The jews say there is no hell. The Christians say there is. Who's right? They both stick by their convictions. Tell me who is right. One belief is as good as the other. Do we really know? This is my point.
It's OK to believe in what the Bible may tell us with respect to how we should live but to believe most of the way things happened?? Sorry. It just ain't true my friends.
In these days of the Vatican being brought out into the open with many indications of criminal activity, how can anyone believe in some of the teaching of any church? When the Pope himself is said to be in his own little world most of the time who do we turn to? God? Yes, maybe. I believe in God. But the stories in the Bible? No. I can't. They go against the teachings given to us by God himself via our brains and science exploration; things that have a proven track record. And the biggest question, why don't we ever see some of the miracles that were said happened in the Bible anymore? One would think that if God really wanted us to believe, he would give some sort of re-enforcement in this day and age when people so sadly need it.
The earth was not formed in 6 days with God resting on the 7th. We know this is a physical impossibility. And the Genesis? Who was there writing this all down? Who recorded it all back then? And where did Cain and Able get their wives? And how did humans procreate beyond this point without incest? We KNOW this is the only way. The Bible does not provide the answers.
I'm sorry folks. You've been led to believe in something that simply can not be true.
I'm not saying go out and rape and pillage and fight and all that now. Go out and live your lives but be good to each other and yourself. Isn't this was truly matters? Not a book. It's people who matter.
Mopatop

Gillingham, UK

#15 Mar 7, 2012
Unfortuntely unless intelligent aliens turn up (as that will irrefutably disprove the bible), there isn't much we un-brainwashed people can do to help these poor fools. One thing worth tossing in the mix though are the pre-cursors to man. Christians have a real hard time with Neardentals and the like. They are a real pain for the Adam and Eve came first lot. Finally my own spanner in the works: The Bible claims the earth is a few thousand years old. Yet light from other planets is hitting our planet millions (and billions) of years after it left the stars from whence it came. This is absolute fact and fully proven and measurable (not a theory like evolution for example). The only excuse they can give is that 'God made it so the light was already on its way to us when he created the universe.' Which no matter how you word it can't help but sound like a very desperate arguement.
Most excellant points

Syracuse, NY

#16 Mar 7, 2012
Mopatop wrote:
Unfortuntely unless intelligent aliens turn up (as that will irrefutably disprove the bible), there isn't much we un-brainwashed people can do to help these poor fools. One thing worth tossing in the mix though are the pre-cursors to man. Christians have a real hard time with Neardentals and the like. They are a real pain for the Adam and Eve came first lot. Finally my own spanner in the works: The Bible claims the earth is a few thousand years old. Yet light from other planets is hitting our planet millions (and billions) of years after it left the stars from whence it came. This is absolute fact and fully proven and measurable (not a theory like evolution for example). The only excuse they can give is that 'God made it so the light was already on its way to us when he created the universe.' Which no matter how you word it can't help but sound like a very desperate arguement.
How true. I never looked at it like that. It makes total sense,unlike the Bible version of things.
Any bible readers out there care to comment on this one?? I dare you to prove otherwise.
Bill

Mount Pleasant, MI

#17 Jan 9, 2015
In order to understand the meaning of any text, you must understand it's purpose. If you don't understand why a bit of text was written, you are quite likely to come away with a bad understanding of what it means.

In this case your question assumes a mis-understanding of the purpose of the two texts in question. If you correct that understanding, it becomes apparent that there is actually no contradiction and nothing that needs resolving from an inerrancy standpoint.

The two chapters you quote from in Genesis serve slightly different purposes. It is quite common on ancient Hebrew literature to repeat parts of a story in different ways to draw out different points. In this case one passage tells us something about the Chronology of events, the second goes on to give us another event that happens to be sandwiched inbetween the last steps of the first event that includes some additional commentary.

If you want to know in what order things were created, Genesis 1 should be your guide.

In Genesis 2, we find out that that (presumably about day 6) God was trying to show Adam that his own personal help-mate was going to be a different kind of creature than the animals, so after he makes Adam but before he makes Eve he parades the rest of the created order before Adam and demonstrates that none of them are like he is. The animals are not made on the spot, there is just a bit of commentary that reminds us that they were created out of the ground. In the process, all the animals get names.

But then we go on to the creation of Eve, made not out of the ground but out of Adam's flesh. This second chapter helps us establish some order or rank to creation as well as lay the foundation for its purpose, not re-sequence the events of creation.

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