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#1 Jul 22, 2008
very good program to watch on bible prophecy.The guest speaker has studied the bible in depth,and is a best selling author on the book titled END TIME DELUSIONS.Steve wholberg tackles many issues regarding many bible topics,and clears up much confusion.
#2 Jul 22, 2008
if you want to learn the truth regarding the rapture and its origin,and where this idea came from this would be a good program to watch.
#3 Jul 22, 2008
knowhere does the bible mention of a secret coming of god,and knowhere does it mention anything about people alive on earth after he comes.
#4 Jul 22, 2008
those who don,t go up experience sudden destruction.
#5 Jul 25, 2008
what do people do with the passages that the world will be made desolate,well i know they choose to ignore them.7 yrs of tribualtion c,mon knowhere does the bible even mention anything about this.They will turn to fables,and from the truth,how true of a statement that is.
#6 Jul 27, 2008
another very good program to watch for truth, garner ted armstrong.
#7 Jul 27, 2008
a very good prgram to also watch,garner ted armstrong.
#8 Jul 28, 2008
facts are facts first of all the bible states nobody is in heaven right now,the dead are unconscious unaware of the passage of time,the dead are in the grave,the spirit is breath, the spirit is not an entity.the dead will live again,but not yet in the future. another fact is that there is no secret coming of god. let the bible clear up the mass confusion.
#9 Aug 7, 2008
Immediately after Paul describes true believers being “caught up,” he then declares,“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. For when they shall say Peace and Safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them ... and they shall not escape”(1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3). Thus, according to Paul, those who are not “caught up” will reap “sudden destruction” and “not escape.”
Does this sound like ‘the second chance’ so graphically depicted in Left Behind novels and films? Hardly.
It gets worse. How widespread is this “sudden destruction”? Jesus Himself explained it:“As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed”(Luke 17:26 -30, italics added).
#10 Aug 10, 2008
in jeremiah it says behold and there was no man,talking about the future.now according to popular theology there is people alive on earth going about their daily lives.the dead did not live again til after the 1000 yrs is what the bibles says. during the 1000 year millenium the world is depopulated,bascily made desolate. now this is not my word ,but straight from the pages of the bible , just go and read it for yourself.how can anyone read these passages and come to the conclusion that there are people on earth alive?
#11 Aug 10, 2008
left behind ,WRONG!
#12 Nov 5, 2008
it,s time to learn the truth,and time to leave behind all the traditions of man ,and their vain babblings.too many fools out there claiming to know the bible.
#13 Dec 5, 2008
just what the tv program THE WORD GOES FORTH has taught.7yr tribulation,and left behind,check your bibles people there is nowhere a mention of a 7 yr trib anywhere.people will heap themselves teachers of gods word,and will distort the truth,how true of a statement.
#14 Dec 20, 2008
# But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at His coming those who belong to Christ." (1 Corinthians 15:20-23 RSV)(see The Return Of Jesus Christ)
# "Thy dead shall live, their bodies shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy!" (Isaiah 26:19 RSV)
# "But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with The Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 RSV)
# "Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4-6 RSV)
# "for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment." (John 5:28-29 RSV)
# "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2 RSV)
# "Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it; from His presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:11-15 RSV)
#15 Dec 21, 2008
Most Christians accept the Greek belief that man has a dual nature; spiritual and physical. To these dualists, death is the separation of the immortal soul from the mortal body. However, the Scriptures above and many others clearly show that both the soul and the body are mortal and can die. The soul is extinguished at death, and the body begins to decay. The spirit, which was initially given by God, returns to Him. But since the spirit cannot function without the body, the spirit has no consciousness in death.
Many of those who teach that man remains conscious after death ridicule and mock the doctrine of the dead being unconscious, which they commonly call "soul sleep." They claim that only the body sleeps in death, while the soul is awake in either heaven or hell. A review of their position shows that they generally misunderstand the nature of the three components of humans. They often use soul and spirit interchangeably, even though the Scriptures clearly show there is a difference in the two.
HEBREWS 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.(NKJV)
Now that we are armed with the basic scriptural knowledge of what the body, spirit, and soul are, let's see what the Scriptures really teach about the status of the dead.
Let's begin in the book of Job. Job has quite a lot to say about death. After the physical and material misfortunes brought by Satan befell him, Job cursed the day of his birth and wished that he had died at birth. Here is what he says about the dead, a group that he longs to be among:
JOB 3:11 "Why did I not die at birth? Why did I not perish when I came from the womb? 12 Why did the knees receive me? Or why the breasts, that I should nurse? 13 For now I would have lain still and been quiet, I would have been asleep; then I would have been at rest 14 With kings and counselors of the earth, who built ruins for themselves, 15 Or with princes who had gold, who filled their houses with silver; 16 Or why was I not hidden like a stillborn child, like infants who never saw light? 17 There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. 18 There the prisoners rest together; they do not hear the voice of the oppressor. 19 The small and great are there, and the servant is free from his master.(NKJV)
Job tells us quite distinctly about the status of the dead. He informs us that the dead are asleep, a condition death is compared to numerous times in the Scriptures. Job further discloses to us that ALL the dead, both distinguished and insignificant, are in this state.
JOB 7:21 And why dost Thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and Thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.(RWB)
Job continues on later with his contemplations on death, but he adds a significant detail:
JOB 14:10 But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he? 11 As water disappears from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dries up, 12 So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. 13 Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, that You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, that You would appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, till my change comes.(NKJV)
#16 Dec 22, 2008
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The vital existence of a human being. The Hebrew word nephesh is a key Old Testament term (755 times) referring to human beings. In the New Testament, the term psyche retreats behind the ideas of body, flesh, spirit to characterize human existence. In the Bible, a person is a unity. Body and soul or spirit are not opposite terms, but rather terms which supplement one another to describe aspects of the inseparable whole person. See Anthropology; Humanity.
Such a holistic image of a person is maintained also in the New Testament even over against the Greek culture which, since Plato, sharply separated body and soul with an analytic exactness and which saw the soul as the valuable, immortal, undying part of human beings. In the Old Testament, the use and variety of the word is much greater while in the New Testament its theological meaning appears much stronger.
The soul designates the physical life. Vitality in all of its breadth and width of meaning is meant by the soul. The basic meaning of nephesh is throat. Thus, the Bible refers to the hungry, thirsty, satisfied, soul (Psalms 107:5,Psalms 107:9; Proverbs 27:7; Jeremiah 31:12,Jeremiah 31:25). The soul means the entire human being in its physical life needing food and clothing (Matthew 6:25). The breathing organs and the breath blown out from them also express individual life in animals as well as human beings (Job 11:20; Job 41:21; Acts 20:10). At times, then, soul can be interchanged with life (Proverbs 7:23; Proverbs 8:35-36) and can be identical with blood (Deuteronomy 12:23). A person does not have a soul. A person is a living soul (Genesis 2:7). That means a living being that owes life itself to the Creator just as does the animal (Genesis 2:19). For this life or soul, one gives all one has (Job 2:4). Satan is permitted by God to take health, that is flesh and blood, but Satan cannot take the bare life of a person (Job 2:5-6).
#17 Dec 22, 2008
does your church teach this ,or does it teach something else,lol.
#18 Dec 23, 2008
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish [i.e., die], but have everlasting life.”
This eternal or everlasting life is God’s supreme gift to mankind. Many pagan religions and especially Greek mythology, teach that the soul of man is immortal. Unfortunately,this idea of an immortal soul was borrowed from the Greeks by the early Church Fathers and made to be a part of Christian teaching. However, it may surprise you to know that the Bible does not teach this.
#19 Dec 24, 2008
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." (Revelation 20:14 KJV) now according to this scripture it says that the dead come up from the sea and hell(the grave),so apperently this scripture makes no reference to the dead coming up from a place of burning now does it?
#20 Dec 25, 2008
now look at this scripture it is straightforward right from the BIBLE "But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost...His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not..." Job 14:10, 21.
So those who have died really do not know anything!
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Truly, being dead is like being asleep--just as Jesus stated. Yet many have been taught that at death some go straight to heaven. But does God teach that we go to heaven and see the Lord when we die?
"...I shall go to the gates of the grave...I shall not see the Lord, even the Lord, in the land of the living..." Isaiah 38:10-11. here,s another scripture as plain as black and white,c,mon you christians what,s going on with you?
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