Photo speed radar traffic enforcement

Photo speed radar traffic enforcement

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Big Brother Sucks

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Oct 22, 2009
Has anyone seen the new photo radar enforcement van out on the street? I saw it today near Cerrillos and Jaguar Drive. It looked like it was aimed at southbound traffic. I had now idea this van was being used. Why hasn't the paper alerted the public to it's use?
The Boss

United States

#2 Nov 2, 2009
I've seen it 5 times now. Waiting for tickets in the mail...
Elan Colello

Santa Fe, NM

#3 Feb 2, 2010
Check out my website speedsuv.com for free text and email alerts and maps containing the Santa Fe Mobile Photo Enforcement SUV's location.

I built the site because, the city has not been following the guidelines set forth in the STOP ordinance.

According to the CITY OF SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO ORDINANCE NO. 2009-28, Section 24-4.6 ADMINISTRATION:
"The city shall install advance signal warnings as required by Section 66-7-103.1 NMSA 1978."

And Under NMSA 1978, Section 66-7-103.1:
The city shall provide for all traffic enforcement camera devices: "a warning sign or signs supplemented by a warning beacon or rumble strips."

Thus far I have been photographing the SUV on a weekly basis with nothing but a little sign in front of it... no beacon or rubble strip present. However, after calling Capt. Robin over the last two months with no response, I called the Chiefs office with this dilemma. Also, the city manager has not establish a STOP ombudsman to address and resolve citizen grievances with STOP procedures and technical issues regarding automated enforcement technology.

I have even photographed the speed SUV with no sign at all. Also, 90% of the time I photograph the SUV it is hidden behind a fence or bush or something.

I think the city is operating the Speed SUV as a revenue generator versus a life saving device (which is antithesis to the reason the city legislated photo enforcement in the first place, "TO SAVE LIVES").
Big Brother Sucks

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Feb 2, 2010
I have spotted the photo enforcement SUV many times while it was parked on I-25 between Cerrillos/HWY 14 and St. Francis Drive. This is not helping to increase safety on city streets. This is just a cash cow. I didn't even know that the city had jurisdiction for speed enforcement on I-25.
Gia

Denver, CO

#5 Jan 20, 2012
I’m a new resident to the Land of Entrapment. Also, the lucky recipient of a Stop! Violation.

There was no advanced signal warning as the law requires under Section 66-7-103.1 NMSA 1978. The city is not following the advanced warning law mentioned above. Use Google and type in the Section number above to see the signal warning requirements. It is very clear that the city of Santa Fe has not met this requirement.

The state where I previously lived provided an adequate warning sign before approaching the “camera monitor.” This served as an “advanced signal warning’ and to provide an opportunity to slow down. This is not the case in Santa Fe. I urge anyone who has received one of these city money generating tickets to appeal their violation.
digger1960

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Jan 20, 2012
Big Brother Sucks wrote:
I have spotted the photo enforcement SUV many times while it was parked on I-25 between Cerrillos/HWY 14 and St. Francis Drive. This is not helping to increase safety on city streets. This is just a cash cow. I didn't even know that the city had jurisdiction for speed enforcement on I-25.
Well, they do have jurisdiction, as well as responsibility for enforcing speed limits on that stretch of I25. There is plenty of evidence that excessive speeds contribute to more accidents, and more serious injuries & increased deaths. The data on that could fill a library. I'm betting that you have not one shred of evidence supporting your claim that enforcing speed limits does nothing to increase safety on our roads .
Law-abiding-citi zen

Santa Fe, NM

#7 Feb 4, 2013
I was on my way to work the other early (6:45am) morning. The flash snapped my picture while approaching and a second flash went off after I passed the SUV enforcer. I called as soon as I got to work and left a message stating my picture had been taken while driving under the speed limit. I finally heard back from the manager of the S.T.O.P. program. By the time I got off the phone with her I was ready to hire a lawyer. I know I was not speeding and made this clear in my message that morning. This woman, who called me tonight, making excuses such as the person actually operating the camera is in Arizona, told me that I wasn't the only person calling about this problem. She had the nerve to tell me I was rude! I tried to explain to her that I wasn't concerned about the ticket so much as my rights as a law-abiding citizen on my way to work. WTF— Are we living in a fascist state or what?

Has anyone else had their picture taken while driving at the speed limit?
Honestly

Alamo, CA

#8 Feb 5, 2013
Private industries provide these services and many times they have set the triggers below standards set by states and ntsb etc. I don't know if this is anything like fixed red light cameras but many cities have had to back pedal because they had shaved times off the yellow light interval causing many to get tickets. It was determined this shaving of the yellow light interval was essentially a money making operation for the cities which resulted in many tickets being reversed, the cities correcting the intervals to designated standards, making it easier to challenge the ticket, and wiping egg off their faces. There are on-line articles on how to challenge these tickets and find out if the tolerances are set below the standards, essentially creating entrapment. It is disturbing to see any agency not follow their own protocol. These devices come about ostensibly for public safety but often times the net result is revenue generation and a host of other scenarios that lead us to wonder if there is a greater reach than the public was led to believe.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#9 Feb 5, 2013
There is a clear cover to go over your plates to block the camera angle. Look at; " License plate blockers". Sprays are available but they don't work as well if at all.
Honestly

Alamo, CA

#11 Feb 5, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
There is a clear cover to go over your plates to block the camera angle. Look at; " License plate blockers". Sprays are available but they don't work as well if at all.
They reviewed those and found they don't work well against cameras. Many states have laws prohibiting any cover or substance that will attempt to hide the license plate. Check before using in case this results in a pull-over, ticket and more...
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#12 Feb 5, 2013
Honestly wrote:
<quoted text>They reviewed those and found they don't work well against cameras. Many states have laws prohibiting any cover or substance that will attempt to hide the license plate. Check before using in case this results in a pull-over, ticket and more...
States also tried to prohibit the advertising trim frame around the tag that hides the state and stickers but you see them by the hundreds. The newer shields are clear but will fade in time to cloudy and have to be replaced. I guess the only to avoid tickets is to stop on yellow and don't speed. That's something many people find hard to do. An interesting thing about the red light cameras and speed cameras being contracted out to private companies for a percentage of the take. In private hands these instruments should be callibrated by a third party and locked to prevent tampering. Since these are basically a measuring device,shouldn't they be under the same standards as a butcher's scale,a movers truck scale, or a gas station pump? Being able to be "operator callibrated"leaves room for tampering back and forth for that bit of extra money.
Honestly

Alamo, CA

#13 Feb 5, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>States also tried to prohibit the advertising trim frame around the tag that hides the state and stickers but you see them by the hundreds. The newer shields are clear but will fade in time to cloudy and have to be replaced. I guess the only to avoid tickets is to stop on yellow and don't speed. That's something many people find hard to do. An interesting thing about the red light cameras and speed cameras being contracted out to private companies for a percentage of the take. In private hands these instruments should be callibrated by a third party and locked to prevent tampering. Since these are basically a measuring device,shouldn't they be under the same standards as a butcher's scale,a movers truck scale, or a gas station pump? Being able to be "operator callibrated"leaves room for tampering back and forth for that bit of extra money.
I remember in drivers ed they showed an example of someone speeding and another going the speed limit and observing all laws. The difference in a five mile trip was only a minute or so. The speeding vehicle had something like 20+ mistakes or violations and for only a small advantage in time. We just need to take it easy for everyone's good, especially our own health. These agencies will always be out there and there will always be people pushing the envelope. I just hang back and this really cuts down the majority of stress and drama. Of course, there are others on the road that inevitable cross us, be avoiding these situations to the best of your ability has its own merit. Saves wear and tear on your car and on your nerves.(IMHO).
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#14 Feb 5, 2013
Honestly wrote:
<quoted text>I remember in drivers ed they showed an example of someone speeding and another going the speed limit and observing all laws. The difference in a five mile trip was only a minute or so. The speeding vehicle had something like 20+ mistakes or violations and for only a small advantage in time. We just need to take it easy for everyone's good, especially our own health. These agencies will always be out there and there will always be people pushing the envelope. I just hang back and this really cuts down the majority of stress and drama. Of course, there are others on the road that inevitable cross us, be avoiding these situations to the best of your ability has its own merit. Saves wear and tear on your car and on your nerves.(IMHO).
So true!!!! The auto companies try to outdo everyone else with super high performance cars but we don't have anywhere to safely drive them!

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