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Achievement gap divides black, white students

There are 47 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Jul 14, 2009, titled Achievement gap divides black, white students. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Reading and math scores are rising for black students across the country, but not enough to close the gap between them and their better-scoring white peers, an Education Department report released Tuesday found.

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Ben Franklin

Bayonne, NJ

#21 Jul 14, 2009
Quality wrote:
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You prove you are not familiar with pedagogy.
Learning is multi-faceted and requires a child's motivation as well as appropriate tools and a capable teacher. If a child is not taught to read in elementary schools, a child suffers throughout their schooling, without remediation.
Expectations don't help a child learn. Appropriate methodologies, effective teachers, and a child's personal motivation are key.
As a teacher for 20+ years - observation and my own experience tell a different story - you show bias with your total dismissal of parentís expectation and involvement. Involvement, active interest, encouraging intellectual curiosity, engaging with the school, talking about school at dinner as a family - these activities help to inculcate the proper disposition to excelled learning - along with good teaching. The schools cannot do it all on their own - it does not take a village - it takes a family.
Ed Rendell

Lafayette Hill, PA

#23 Jul 15, 2009
be educated wrote:
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Oh boy. As a white female I find your response racist, and your faith in the big bang worth a laugh.
Sigh.
I know many VERY intelligent African American people - highly educated and successful. Probably above your academic and socioeconomic level.
Can you read? I never said there weren't smart blacks. I said ON AVERAGE they have lower intelligence than whites, asians, and hispanics.
Momof3

New Britain, CT

#25 Jul 15, 2009
Quality wrote:
<quoted text>
You prove you are not familiar with pedagogy.
Learning is multi-faceted and requires a child's motivation as well as appropriate tools and a capable teacher. If a child is not taught to read in elementary schools, a child suffers throughout their schooling, without remediation.
Expectations don't help a child learn. Appropriate methodologies, effective teachers, and a child's personal motivation are key.
You prove you are not familiar with reality.

Without any regard for skin color, if children have no support system in place in the home, they will fail, plain and simple.

Where do children get their personal motivation? They're not born with it - it's acquired through example and modeling set forth in the home. The best teachers in the world cannot overcome that.
Yep

Santa Cruz, CA

#29 Jul 15, 2009
Columbus Day wrote:
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where did I ever say I wanted bennies for being white. The way I see it I already have and unfortunately Blacks and others have been denied the same "bennies" from bigoted racists such as yourself. You are just a moronic boob with a large vocabulary. Go back back to your all white country club and crawl back in the sewer Skippy!
Since you are incapable of responding to a simple question your only recorse is to flag the post?!? You really are mentally challenged aren't you....not in a joking way either. So answer this question since the original one was too difficult for a ignoran coward such as yourself. Were you dropped on your head as a small child or is your mental illness more organic in nature?

“If You Sleep, You Don't Eat. ”

Since: Jul 08

Santa Cruz

#30 Jul 15, 2009
Yep, go read The Shame of the Nation by Jonathon Kozol. It covers this subject and might give you something more factual than your played out black/Hispanic parenting stereotypes to talk about when this discussion undoubtedly surfaces again in the future.
Yep

Santa Cruz, CA

#32 Jul 15, 2009
LooseSCruz wrote:
Yep, go read The Shame of the Nation by Jonathon Kozol. It covers this subject and might give you something more factual than your played out black/Hispanic parenting stereotypes to talk about when this discussion undoubtedly surfaces again in the future.
LooseCruz, go read about the life of Barrack Obama, he is a politician whose grandparents were interested in his education and made it into a priority for his life. His father abandoned him and his mother really wasn't a factor in his life as much as his grandparents were. You see even though he is Black he used his education and the opportunities it afforded him to get where he is today. The same could be said of Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and now Sonia Sotomayor whose parents were influential in helping their children to get where they are today. This was the gist of my argument but like the stooge "Columbus' is he had to bring racism and his hatred of White society into it. The only racist here is "Columbus' because he feels Blacks and Hispanics need to treated like children instead of responsible and free people. Don't dwell in the past as it has proven to be nothing more than a crutch for people who fail to achieve what is considered almost a right for most Americans.

“If You Sleep, You Don't Eat. ”

Since: Jul 08

Santa Cruz

#33 Jul 16, 2009
Yep wrote:
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LooseCruz, go read about the life of Barrack Obama, he is a politician whose grandparents were interested in his education and made it into a priority for his life. His father abandoned him and his mother really wasn't a factor in his life as much as his grandparents were. You see even though he is Black he used his education and the opportunities it afforded him to get where he is today. The same could be said of Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and now Sonia Sotomayor whose parents were influential in helping their children to get where they are today. This was the gist of my argument but like the stooge "Columbus' is he had to bring racism and his hatred of White society into it. The only racist here is "Columbus' because he feels Blacks and Hispanics need to treated like children instead of responsible and free people. Don't dwell in the past as it has proven to be nothing more than a crutch for people who fail to achieve what is considered almost a right for most Americans.
I'm certainly not interested in patronizing the black and Hispanic communities. However, while it's good that you can point out these few high profile people of great power who are black or Hispanic, the reality is that our inner city and many rural schools that are serving the poorest in our population are not serving them at all and in fact are not providing an educational opportunity that's anywhere near equal that of wealthier districts. Consequently, we end up having to pick out examples like Obama and Rice in our attempts to make it look like everyone's got a chance when the reality is that our educational system is separate, unequal, unresponsive to the needs of children, and ill-equipped, currently, to provide impoverished children of any color, whether they're from the inner city, rural Alabama, or whatever with a decent education that prepares them for college and/or the workforce.

I'm also not trying to discount the fact that parents need to be more involved, but all the research I've seen does not come to the conclusion that parental involvement is the main factor driving educational achievement, though it is certainly easier for a kid to achieve academically when their parents support them.

Anyway, Kozol's book is a very interesting read about the breakdown of educational integration post-Brown v. Board and the current plight of poor school districts and the children living in them.

And with that, I'm outta this one. Yep and Columbus, you may proceed to have at it again uninterrupted by me.
George W Bush

United States

#34 Sep 4, 2009
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>
The president did get an education and an example that you can acheve if you want to.
If I'm so dumb, why can't a smart "word" like you refute what I've written?

There are at least four zones of major responsibility:

Education, politics, media and parenting.

It's a shame.

I blame the Dirty Demos

(for injecting their "me first issue" politics so completely into those other three vital areas.)

- especially every puddle of the slime behind our young community organizing socialist President.
julia

Jacksonville, AR

#35 Sep 4, 2009
I would like to ask one question.Will an achievement gap follow any one to the grave?And who caresWe all know the asians are the smartest.There are to many alcoholics and drug addicts in the American schools.Try coming to Arkansas up in the woods and count the meth labs.But remember these are smart kids.We in this country need to get off that kick.America is the only country that keep mess going about who is the smartest.I have a granddaughter who was home schooled by our daughter,she is 14yrs old,she teasted for a mastered degree in college.Her brother is 10yrs old he tested for 12th grade.You will not hear about them because they are black,and we do not want them on that tv.Our daughter gratuated magna cum laude.There are so many lies being told in this country until god is sick of hearing.
George W Bush

United States

#36 Sep 28, 2009
How come only "certain" parts of the University have to reflect the ethnic make up of the entire student body while the major sports teams often appear completely slanted towards JUST ONE specific group?
alex

Houston, TX

#37 Sep 28, 2009
George W Bush wrote:
How come only "certain" parts of the University have to reflect the ethnic make up of the entire student body while the major sports teams often appear completely slanted towards JUST ONE specific group?
I wouldn't put too much thought into it. Just blame socialism and your black president.
Martina2

San Francisco, CA

#38 Sep 28, 2009
George W Bush wrote:
<quoted text> If I'm so dumb, why can't a smart "word" like you refute what I've written?
There are at least four zones of major responsibility:
Education, politics, media and parenting.
It's a shame.
I blame the Dirty Demos
(for injecting their "me first issue" politics so completely into those other three vital areas.)
- especially every puddle of the slime behind our young community organizing socialist President.
You blame the media? Wow, that's a shocking development, conservatives have been blaming the media for everything since 1968. I''d be shocked if you guys didn't blame the media.
George W Bush

United States

#40 Sep 29, 2009
alex wrote:
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I wouldn't put too much thought into it. Just blame socialism and your black president.
"Black"? What? Are you a racist?

I was thinking about the University's policy on only accepting large and fast people on their sports teams.

Other university departments - especially those "residing" in guhvmint entities - could never get away with such obvious discrimination.

Where are the Public's four eleven, one hundred three pound full-ride scholarship college line backers?
America Gentleman Samuel

Prospect, CT

#42 Apr 3, 2014
With all the freebies and programs,they should be far ahead of the game. The mind is a terrible think to waste - OK
Nulli Secundus

Woodbury, CT

#43 Apr 3, 2014
Achievement gap divides black, white students
Some gap... the White students know how to spell a-c-h-i-e-v-e-m-e-n-t, but the (other) ones can't do any better than u-h-c-h-e-e-v-e-m-i-n-t.

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

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#44 Apr 3, 2014
Nulli Secundus wrote:
<quoted text>Some gap... the White students know how to spell a-c-h-i-e-v-e-m-e-n-t, but the (other) ones can't do any better than u-h-c-h-e-e-v-e-m-i-n-t.
Other ones??.....you mean there's more than one type of you guys?
Nulli Secundus

Woodbury, CT

#46 Apr 4, 2014
Commander Bunny wrote:
Other ones??.....you mean there's more than one type of you guys?
No, sh!twipe: I was trying to be a bit discreet and not refer to them as coloreds.

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

.

#47 Apr 4, 2014
Nulli Secundus wrote:
<quoted text>No, sh!twipe: I was trying to be a bit discreet and not refer to them as coloreds.
Oh, that's easy Turd-burglar, We just call them "Mud-people".
America Gentleman Samuel

Prospect, CT

#49 Apr 4, 2014
I often wonder how I got this far in life

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

.

#50 Apr 4, 2014
BPT wrote:
<quoted text>Or "Stinkapes".
Hey!.......that's racist!

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