Senior smokers told to quit or move out of Santa Cruz complex

Residents at San Lorenzo Park Apartments have 90 days to quit smoking or face eviction, which has come as a crushing blow to the handful of seniors who picked up the habit as teenagers and can't bear the ... Full Story
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James Anderson Merritt

Berkeley, CA

#1 Feb 14, 2009
The demonization of smokers has now reached rock-bottom. Tossing octogenerians into the street, apparently just to punish them for having a politically incorrect habit -- which was completely acceptable and even promoted by "the establishment" during the prime decades of their lives -- is unconscionable.

Is it really acceptable for landlords and others in power to prey on people in the last years of their lives? Are there no places that elderly smokers who aren't necessarily well-to-do, and don't necessarily own their own real estate, can call home?

Normally, I am very hesitant to demand that the government interfere in private-sector arrangements, such as rental agreements and leases. But as the government at several levels (federal, state, and local) has been a huge force in the "demonize smokers" movement, I think it bears no small responsibility for the plight of smokers who are now facing eviction.

In the holy jihad to destroy the tobacco industry in this country, ordinary people are getting crushed as collateral damage. It's shameful, but it seems to me that we have forgotten what shame is or how to feel it in the modern age. I don't smoke, never have, and have lost family members to the consequences of smoking, despite years of trying to convince them to quit. Nevertheless, I am convinced that the jihad has gone too far. Political correctness causes a lot of heartache, to judge from this situation alone. We should try common sense for a while, instead.
Along Came A Spider

Santa Cruz, CA

#2 Feb 14, 2009
James Anderson Merritt wrote:
The demonization of smokers has now reached rock-bottom. Tossing octogenerians into the street, apparently just to punish them for having a politically incorrect habit -- which was completely acceptable and even promoted by "the establishment" during the prime decades of their lives -- is unconscionable.
Is it really acceptable for landlords and others in power to prey on people in the last years of their lives? Are there no places that elderly smokers who aren't necessarily well-to-do, and don't necessarily own their own real estate, can call home?
Normally, I am very hesitant to demand that the government interfere in private-sector arrangements, such as rental agreements and leases. But as the government at several levels (federal, state, and local) has been a huge force in the "demonize smokers" movement, I think it bears no small responsibility for the plight of smokers who are now facing eviction.
In the holy jihad to destroy the tobacco industry in this country, ordinary people are getting crushed as collateral damage. It's shameful, but it seems to me that we have forgotten what shame is or how to feel it in the modern age. I don't smoke, never have, and have lost family members to the consequences of smoking, despite years of trying to convince them to quit. Nevertheless, I am convinced that the jihad has gone too far. Political correctness causes a lot of heartache, to judge from this situation alone. We should try common sense for a while, instead.
I am in agreement here with you.
Seems to me that providing an indoor area with good venelation or giving smokeless ashtrays (the kind that sucks up the smoke) could help with the smokiness.
I used to smoke somewhere around twelve to more thyan twelve years ago and I can't stand the smell of smoke (I couldn't stand cig,pipe or cigar smoke even before I smoked! Oddly though if I smoked then I didn't vomit from the smell of smoke!

It is unlikely though that the non smokers bothered by the smell of smoke will be stupid enough to try my solution to the smoke queasy dilemma!

I still think we should let the elders smoke if they choose.
Along Came A Spider

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Feb 14, 2009
good heavens!!! I typed s uck up the smoke and it was censored!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Dover

Dothan, AL

#4 Feb 14, 2009
smoke em if you got em
Wyndie

Meadville, PA

#5 Feb 14, 2009
What if the management ran a study of the ventilation patterns in that complex, and had the smokers all move to one section of apartments where their smoke would exhaust directly to the outside?

Close community living does require some regulation, about noise, smells, tidiness, and so on, but surely there must be some less drastic way to approach this problem than kicking old people out of their homes.

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#6 Feb 14, 2009
Pretty much goes to show that both the anti-smoking movement and the progressive/socialist movement was never about compassion and looking out for the little guy. It was always about control. Welcome to the Peoples Republic of California! They already targeted the smokers to pay for the SCHIP program and now they are kicking them out!
you guess

AOL

#7 Feb 14, 2009
Wyndie wrote:
What if the management ran a study of the ventilation patterns in that complex, and had the smokers all move to one section of apartments where their smoke would exhaust directly to the outside?
Close community living does require some regulation, about noise, smells, tidiness, and so on, but surely there must be some less drastic way to approach this problem than kicking old people out of their homes.
I agree with you. I'm not a smoker and don't particularly care for second hand smoke, but this is not right. Make a "smoking" wing in the complex, or find another solution. Please don't kick these seniors to the curb.
Patti

United States

#8 Feb 14, 2009
This is awful. I cannot believe they can't work this out.
Marie

San Jose, CA

#9 Feb 14, 2009
And they thought they lived in a free country...only if
you do what the people in power decide.
westside homeowner

San Jose, CA

#11 Feb 14, 2009
This is simply AWFUL! I am ashamed that we call ourselves HEART FELT! Last week it was the elderly in one complex is not allowed to garden. This week they are thrown into the streets. RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!!!!! You will become one someday yourself! Above all look at the message we are giving the world about the United States of America...we don't care about the old, the young, or anyone but ME, MYSELF and I !!!!!!
westside homeowner

San Jose, CA

#12 Feb 14, 2009
DJC wrote:
Evict these elderly chimneys! They are ruining the health of the non-smoking residents. Send them down to the river and let them smoke with the other indigents under the bridge. Face the facts Gramps, if you smoke, you canít live here. We donít want you or your lousy cigarettes any more.
You, my dear, need a lesson in having a HEART!
Nancy

Burlingame, CA

#13 Feb 14, 2009
Let them smoke until they die.
Then dont let any smokers move in to replace them.

“Fredneck County Md”

Since: Feb 08

Small Town

#14 Feb 14, 2009
westside homeowner wrote:
<quoted text>
You, my dear, need a lesson in having a HEART!
Sociopaths like DJC are not capable of learning that.

“Fredneck County Md”

Since: Feb 08

Small Town

#15 Feb 14, 2009
you guess wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you. I'm not a smoker and don't particularly care for second hand smoke, but this is not right. Make a "smoking" wing in the complex, or find another solution. Please don't kick these seniors to the curb.
Kick out the whiny non-smokers... problem solved.

next...
peopleareidiots

Oakland, CA

#16 Feb 14, 2009
WTF!!!!!That is fing stupid! What a bunch of aholes to tell these old people this crap! Don't live there if you don't like the smoke. It was there before you moved in so deal with it or leave.
uareanidiot

Oakland, CA

#17 Feb 14, 2009
DJC wrote:
Evict these elderly chimneys! They are ruining the health of the non-smoking residents. Send them down to the river and let them smoke with the other indigents under the bridge. Face the facts Gramps, if you smoke, you canít live here. We donít want you or your lousy cigarettes any more.
Wow, wish I could see what happens to you when you get old....karma is going to suck for you.
Sinajuavi

Morgantown, WV

#18 Feb 14, 2009
Why should any facility, private or not, jump through hoops to accommodate smokers? Smoking is lethal and foul, and an assault on others besides the smoker. Yet this behavior should be tolerated?

WHY???
banthebans

Sharon, PA

#20 Feb 14, 2009
Not a protected class....not yet anyway. View the decision in the greedy widow Fla. case against Big Tobacco. She "won" her case on the basis of her husband having been hopelessly addicted to cigarettes, thus causing his death from lung cancer. If smoking is legally determined addictive and smokers "helpless" to quit, it is only a short jump to when smokers will fall under the ADA. Can this apartment complex ban residents with such "disabilities" Another interesting item from the story was the age of one of the resident smokers:85....hmm,so when this elderly woman dies of what they will no doubt call a smoking related disease (since basically, all diseases and causes of death in smokers are called that even getting hit by a bus)will her death be called "premature"?
Prong

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Feb 14, 2009
Let's throw all of the old people out in the street for any bad habit. Let's beat them if they eat meat. Let's behead them if they have sex. Let's water board them if they breath. Let's rape them if they have a pet kitty.

We used to be a freedom loving country. Now, we want to evict old people for habits they had long before smoking was the enemy du jour. Who are these people who cannot mind their own business inside someone else's home? 1984 is here for our seniors. I don't smoke, or own a gun, but I would shoot the first person who invaded my home over something this blatantly un-American. Arm yourself seniors, it is your only chance to live the way you wish.

I am ashamed of my fellow citizens.
banthebans

Sharon, PA

#22 Feb 14, 2009
Surely, there is someone out there who owns an apartment complex and would love the publicity of being a Good Samaritan. Offering a new place to live for these elderly residents would earn that landlord some great press.

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