Suspected stabber, 17, faces judge

Suspected stabber, 17, faces judge

There are 143 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Feb 2, 2006, titled Suspected stabber, 17, faces judge. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A 17-year-old former Aptos High student appeared in court Wednesday to face a murder charge in the stabbing of 23-year-old Christopher Carr during a party Saturday in La Selva Beach.

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Friend of Alex Cortez

United States

#1 Feb 2, 2006
Alex Cortez is a friend to many and was in self-defense. He is a young funny kid that can put a smile on your face when your feeling down. The media has heard only the side of the story of friends of Carr. Sorry to all family and friends of Chris Carr. Carr was twice the size of Cortez. Cortez didnt mean to kill Carr he was just defending himself. Both minor and adult were intoxicated. Whos to judge that one person is guilty, but both are guilty.
friend of Alex

Watsonville, CA

#2 Feb 7, 2006
Alex Cortes is a funny outgoing guy with a huge heart..he was friends with many people and can always make you laugh..It was self defense and im sure murdering carr was not his intentions what so ever.. Both are guilty
friend of Chris

Berkeley, CA

#3 Feb 7, 2006
unfortunately Chris is now dead thanks to your friend. they should have just left the party when asked, there is no excuse for stabbing another human being who is unarmed!
Friend of Alex Cortez

United States

#4 Feb 7, 2006
your welcome. chris shouldnt have been acting tough and picking on younger and smaller kids.if chris was tough he would still be alive. what is a 23 year old doing at a high school party.
friend of Chris

Berkeley, CA

#5 Feb 8, 2006
your line about "if chris was tough he would still be alive makes no sense to me but regardless i will not discuss this further with you. all i have to say is that taking another life is the worst of all crimes in my opinion. i am sorry you lost your friend too but at least he is still living and breathing, my friend was not so lucky...
Chris

Roseville, CA

#6 Feb 8, 2006
You heartless sack of..."if chris was tough he would still be alive"...Chris was the toughest guy I've ever known. And i'm sure he would've put you to shame. Sadly, we'll never know because someone chose to take his life. And yes..he chose to do it.

First.. He was ASKED to be there to help control morons like Cortez. And to help clear UNWANTED guests (Again, Cortez). THATS what he was doing there. Don't make it something it's not.

Second, you say "You're welcome" when someone says "Thanks to your friend, he's dead."? You worthless excuse for a human being. I hope you lose sleep at night thinking about Cortez and his new prison bunk mate...

Both are guilty?! BOTH ARE GUILTY?! Do you know how many times he was stabbed? Do you have a clue? Or are you just ignorant all the way around?

"Whos to judge that one person is guilty" The jury, jerk. And lets hope they send Mr.Cortez away for quite some time.

You don't know Chris..you never will. If you had 5 minutes with him, he would've been your best friend. That's the kind of guy he was. He was at that party to HELP his friends.

Have some respect.
Anonymous

United States

#7 Feb 19, 2006
Look..all you guys are being really immature and heartless about this. You have to put yourself in the other side's shoes. If it had been the other way around, you'd have such different outlooks. Of course Alex's friends are going to back him up, and of course Chris's friends are going to back Chris up...but the fact is none of you even know unless you were a direct witness to the whole thing. Of course there are going to be rumors, and of course people are making Chris out to be a great person, but whos to say that Alex isn't? No one deserves to die, but everything happens for a reason..everybody has a purpose and maybe Chris had already served his and God needed him for something else. The truth will prevail in the end, and I dont think its fair for people to be making judgements on anything or anybody. I think everyone knows by now that Chris is a very tough kid..so I dont think you can make anybody out to be the innocent one. But who am I to say because I wasn't there. I have never met Chris and I dont think he was a bad person, its just that you have to admit that drinking can bring out sides of you that really aren't "you." So who really knows how it all went down. He was known for his fighting, but Im sure he was known for other great things too..its so sad that this had to happen, but its in Gods hands now and theres really no point for there to be more conflict in such a sad time.
Chris

Roseville, CA

#8 Feb 21, 2006
"Anonymous"...

It's obvious you back Alex in this thing..bringing up Chris drinking and the fact that Alex was a good kid at one point in his life..

So until you can bring a neutral argument, how about you not tell other people to stop giving their opinions?

Thanks
Alex

United States

#9 Feb 21, 2006
It's not just drinking in regards to Chris...its drinking in regards to anyone. Most people I know can get very emotional while drinking. And who are you to say hes not a good kid..still...because I don't think you knew him just as much as I didn't know Chris. And if it had been the other way around..what would you be saying then? Who know what went on REALLY...do you? I mean everyones hearing the rumors, probably some are true and probably some are not..And im not saying that there aren't going to be people sided..its just that how can you guys (all of you guys) be so cold hearted. My argument WAS neutral..for all we know if it werent for the circumstances that night, they could have been great friends..none of us know, so its like why put up an argument on behalf of anyone unless you were a direct witness to it all..which i dont think any of us are.
Chris

Roseville, CA

#10 Feb 21, 2006
Ok. All rumors aside. Just facts.

Chris was at a party at the request of the party givers.
Alex was at the party, un-invited.
Chris was asked to remove uninvited guests.
Chris tried to remove Alex & friends.
Chris ended up dead.

Alex may have been a great kid at one time. I can't say he wasn't because like you said, I don't know him. But those are facts...no rumors..

And now, you tell me to put myself in your position..ok, here goes..

I'd be heartbroken that someone I loved could do something like this. I'd be confused. I'd be angry at them and scared for them. I'd do everything I could to find out the truth. But if it came down to being cold blooded murder, I don't care who you are, my defense of you stops.

Now, how about if you were in my shoes. I don't know if you're a part of Alex's family, but i'm a part of Chris'. So, put yourself in my shoes.
Alex

United States

#11 Feb 22, 2006
Cold Blooded murder (either 1 2 or 3) state that Alex would have had to have premeditation towards killing Chris that night. I am pretty sure that they had never met before that night..people usually just go to a party to have a good time, not to get in fights that result in someones death...but a death is a death, in my eyes, whether it be cold blooded murder or a self defense case. Whether it came with intent or not, this is something you guys have to deal with forever...as well as something Alex has to deal with forever. It's true, we still have Alex living and breathing, but this will change the rest of his life, regardless of what the jury comes back with.
I also find it kind of hard to believe, that if there was so many people witnessing it, why wouldnt one person just try to break things up or stop what was going on. Is that how immature people are these days, that they'd rather watch a fight than stop it. I don't doubt there was witnesses and I am glad for that, but I just find it so heartbreaking, on both sides, that no one could prevent the extent of what happens.

I wish, just as Im sure you do, that I was there to see the whole thing or try to stop it..but I wasn't. And I know you are going to take this the wrong way (cause I know I would) but I dont think you have the facts straight..are you seriously going to say that he was uninvited. Why? Cause thats what the newspaper said at first? Im sure you know how parties are these days...and you dont have to get invited by the hostess herself to go..Usually, unless its invitation only, a party is a party. You can get invited by someone that is invited. Thats why usually parties are so big and so fun...and I know you know that. And..another thing that you dont know for sure..okay, so Chris was trying to get people out of the party. I mean is that what people or saying or is that what the newspaper is saying? Cause Im pretty sure he didnt tap Alex on the shoulder and politely ask him to leave. Or was he hired as the security there...I'm pretty sure we both know he (and everyone else) was at a party, to party. Another fact...Alex was a lot smaller than Chris. Which doesnt make his actions justifiable, but we all know that Chris was a second-degree black belt (correct me if I'm wrong) and that Alex could have been beaten up very badly or even killed..But in this situation, I think it could have been prevented by not only them but by people watching, and its such a tragedy it had to end this way. And..who's to say that if Alex wasn't there, that it wouldn't have been somebody else. It is a FACT that Chris was intoxicated trying to start fights with other people first. There is so many more facts I don't even want to get into because they are so controversial and obviously, me being a part of Alex's family, am going to defend him, and you are going to defend Chris. No matter how hard we both try to stay completely neutral, its not going to work, even once courts are over with.
Alex

United States

#12 Feb 22, 2006
Every single day, your family is in my prayers. I can not even imagine what I would be going through had I lost Alex completely. You have to understand we lost him in a way too...not for good, obviously, but for this time that could forever change who he is and how he looks at life..maybe for the best, because the way I look at it, he is lucky to be alive as we all are...because our lives can change in a split second.
Think about the kids driving around drunk on that guy's 18th birthday on that Saturday night..One kid is in jail for manslaughter, while his best friend is dead, and the other kid is lying in the hospital brain dead. It's hard to think that everything happens for a reason, but its just life. We have to take what it gives.
If you are going to tell me about Chris, I will tell you about Alex. Alex is the kind of person that you could meet and be cracking up rolling around on the floor like 5 minutes later. He puts other peoples needs and wants first, and when youre feeling down he will always try his hardest to put a smile on your face. Thats why I say that for all we know, him and Chris could have liked each other..because you describe him as such a kind hearted person...and that is Alex too. Everyone has their problems in life, but it makes us the kind of people that we are.
Do you know that every single day Alex prays for your family..he prays so hard that you guys will make it through and that you guys are doing okay. He can only begin to imagine what it would be like if we had lost him..

Let me describe myself in your shoes...
I'd be feeling A LOT of hatred. Staying neutral would be impossible..for me. I would be thinking "Why did this have to happen...it isn't fair." and I'd have a million and one "What if's" in my mind. I would deny the truth. Regardless of who started what, I'd blame everyone else except the person I was defending. I'd ask God "Why..?" And of course, I'd be indescribably heartbroken.

I dont know what to say to you. You guys are constantly in our prayers...and I wish I could bring Chris back to life and get to meet him for the wonderful person you describe him to be. Theres nothing anybody can do now, and be it self-defense or not..Chris is dead and I know if I were you I wouldnt care about the circumstances, because there is no bringing him back. I pray everyday that you will find peace and I know that God has a purpose for him up there and I know he will be watching over everyone. I find myself seriously talking to him, hoping he will hear me...hoping he will know that it wasn't an intentional death.

I don't want to argue this with you..because I can imagine you could talk about this all day..and still find no answer, and I dont want to sound like I am being cruel about it..
God is the judge in all this, and let Him be the judge of who did what wrong, and why this all happened.
Chris

Roseville, CA

#13 Feb 22, 2006
Cold Blooded was used as a figure of speech, not in it's legal definition. Won't make that mistake again.

"people usually just go to a party to have a good time, not to get in fights that result in someones death..."

But when confronted by Chris..unarmed..pride took over and wouldn't let him get a possible bruise/beating. Instead, it'd be better to kill the unarmed guy.

Ok.. Chris wouldn't have killed him. I can tell you that for sure. I'll also tell you that if it had been a fight, and Chris had hurt him seriously, he'd be the first person on 911 on the phone or talking to the paramedics or whoever. That's how he was.

"It's true, we still have Alex living and breathing, but this will change the rest of his life, regardless of what the jury comes back with. "

Excuse me if that moves me very little at this point. Seeing as he still has a "rest of his life".

"I also find it kind of hard to believe, that if there was so many people witnessing it, why wouldnt one person just try to break things up or stop what was going on."

Because sadly, that's just how people are. If you ever went to highschool, you know that already. A fight breaks out, a crowd shows up..and it goes until someone comes to break it up. Usually police or faculty.

"Is that how immature people are these days, that they'd rather watch a fight than stop it."

Yes, sadly.

"And I know you are going to take this the wrong way (cause I know I would) but I dont think you have the facts straight..are you seriously going to say that he was uninvited. Why? Cause thats what the newspaper said at first?"

Ok, by uninvited, I mean he was asked to leave. He was a guest that people did not want there. Told to leave.

"so Chris was trying to get people out of the party. I mean is that what people or saying or is that what the newspaper is saying? Cause Im pretty sure he didnt tap Alex on the shoulder and politely ask him to leave."

Not even sure how to answer this... are you serious?

"Or was he hired as the security there..."

He was asked to be there. Not paid. But for that reason.

"It is a FACT that Chris was intoxicated trying to start fights with other people first."

Where did you get that information?

You know...I wanted to comment on everything you said but, it's too hard. I'm staring at an image of Chris, still unable to believe this is true.. you seem to think all my points come from rumor.. and I guess you happen to have a wealth of "facts" that nobody else does.

I'm done..

I love you and miss you Chris
Alex

United States

#14 Feb 23, 2006
I'm not here to argue this with you or to seem like I'm trying to be mean about it, I was just defending my family as you are yours. I can take your words and switch them around like you did mine, but I choose not to because its a pointless discussion between 2 brokenhearted and very hurt people. Neither of us are attorneys...although I know this conversation could be endless, at least on my part. But Im not going to make it that way, because I am not going to get mean hearted and I have nothing bad to say about Chris...the way you talk makes it seem like you knew what kind of person Alex was, but the fact is you don't. We both well know that the truth will come in the courts. I pray for your family and Chris every day...Hopefully he has found peace in Heaven.
the Sister

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Mar 15, 2006
I am surpried to see this "blog". Those defending this Leopoldo kid....your funny, sweet, "defensive" friend stabbed my brother about 12 times. That is sadistic, unnecessary and he is truly dangerous. Why didn't he leave when asked? And I am quite sure he brought the knife according to detectives. Chris would not hurt another human being inthe world. he barely drank and was very health conscious. To those who loved Chris: bless you and your warm thoughts and support. There is NO WAY I will EVER believe this Leopoldo kid needed to jump on my brother's back and stab him over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Keep the faith friends, get a t-shirt and show you rsupport by goingt o the hearings and showing the judge and jury exactly WHO Christopher was. www.neverforgetyou.net
APTOS GIRL

United States

#17 Mar 18, 2006
CORTEZ SHOULD GO TO HELL AND WILL. FUCK HIS GIRLFRIEND AND STOP FEELING SORRY FOR HIM. LOKK WHAT YOUR SELFLESS BOYFRIEND DID. HE HIS A MURDERER
Best Friend JB

United States

#18 Mar 18, 2006
I not here to pick one side and post a mean comment because a life was taken for something that can't be explained, some claim self defense and others claim murder. I've known Alex for 7 years and we were the best of friends. After hearing about this the day after my 18th birthday didnt make it that much better. Alex is not the type of person to take a life, he was the type to make an person in the whole world love him, with his heart and spirit. I support him, but i don't support the mistake he has done, because taking a life isn't a small mistake. There are two families that are in deep need in support and i pray for Chris Carrs family as well as my own becuase Alex was family to me. God Bless all
Friend of Alex Cortez

Union City, CA

#19 Mar 21, 2006
"FREE BUTTERS"
friend of Chris

Berkeley, CA

#20 Mar 22, 2006
I know he is your friend but do you really believe he should not have to suffer any consequence for taking another life? What "Butters" did is a crime whether it was premeditated or not and since Chris was unarmed I don't see how you can call stabbing someone 12 times self defense. "free butters"... I think NOT, never, in my opinion!!!!!!!!!!
Friend of Alex

Edmond, OK

#21 Mar 22, 2006
People that take another life intentionally should serve the rest of their lives in prison. That is the worst of all crimes.
People that accidentally take a life while trying to protect themselves, is not a crime. Not just in my opinion~it isnt. All of us that are Alex's friends understand you guys are taking it really hard, but I dont understand why you thinking Alex serving time is going to bring your friend back.
Alex wouldnt do that to another person...it wasnt premeditated and I know you guys know that it was self defense. Dont deny what your friend was capable of...like honestly Im sure Chris was a cool person, but rumors are he got pretty crazy when he was drinking. Imagine yourself, as a 17 year old up against someone 6 years older than you and 2 times bigger than you, intimidating you and beating the crap out of you. What would you do? Seriously..I understand youre hurt, but dont try to make this something its not. Alex deserves to come home at the end of all this, if not sooner. And thats my opinion!!!!!!!

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