Council approves 150-room Marriott in Beach Flats

City visitors may soon have a new place to sleep after Santa Cruz leaders approved plans for a Marriott Courtyard Hotel in Beach Flats on Tuesday. Read more
Mikhail

United States

#110 Sep 10, 2008
Funny how I'm the one blamed for class warfare, called lazy and unemployed (I was posting from work,) et c. et c. You're calling for the bulldozing of my entire neighborhood, when 98% of the people there are hard working families, and you call me intolerant? You suggest that I'm hating on you? What a bunch of bs. If you want to "bulldoze" whole neighborhoods of people because you hate them, I'm sure there's a lot of cheap property in Baghdad this time of year. You'd fit right in with your own kind - angry, hateful, sectarian, and violent.
the dog

San Jose, CA

#111 Sep 10, 2008
Waxfoot wrote:
I'm now wondering just how many jobs they will give to that neighborhoods folks. One? Five? or none.
I'm wondering how many neighbors in that part of town can qualify to do any of the work at the hotel or constructing the hotel. A good start for those folks would be to learn the English language, then go from there.
Steve

Santa Cruz, CA

#112 Sep 10, 2008
The hotel will "help clean up" the area because once people with money are there the police will clean up the area. Wonder where the drug dealers will go? What's the next lowest income part of town?
the dog

San Jose, CA

#113 Sep 10, 2008
Mikhail wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure dude, just wait until the corporate printing presses (FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING IS A SCAM) finally grind out the last $10 trillion need to cause true hyperinflation. When Amerika goes out Weimar Republic style, it isn't gonna be the poor people who are gonna be any worse off. It's you. I can't wait till all you bigoted, class-ist suckers eat the government policies that have been keeping you at the top and swallow every crumb. Just wait until you have to live with all the Latinos and working class and average Joe you despise. I can't wait to see the look on your faces when every wretched word you speak against me and my people is force-fed back to you.
Let's just remember folks, this ain't racism - I'm lily-white and they hate me just cuz'a where I live. This is classism, class warfare, class strife, class hatred pure and simple. The big boys in Washington have conned all the doctors and lawyers into hating the people who pick their produce, stock their shelves, clean their toilets, and assemble their gadgets. But it'll all come full circle, an unbroken circle of violence and hatred unless we rise above it NOW.
Your a big hatred puke. You just puked hatred right in the paper. Out of all the word written along here today, you get the blue ribbon for hatred. You've got a screw loose, you are how you are ranting about.
Luca

Berkeley, CA

#114 Sep 10, 2008
Mikhail wrote:
<quoted text>You make a lotta assumptions about me - because of where I live? That's a whole lotta ignorance.
Well I make no assumptions about you or anyone, but with all your comments I could change my mind about you and not your neighbors, the BF area needs to be upgraded to the 21 century bottom line.
Chico

Santa Cruz, CA

#115 Sep 10, 2008
the dog wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm wondering how many neighbors in that part of town can qualify to do any of the work at the hotel or constructing the hotel. A good start for those folks would be to learn the English language, then go from there.
You have obviously never worked in construction or hospitality in California. To get a job in construction, hotel kitchens, or hotel housekeeping, you'll do better to speak Spanish than English. And that is fine. California is a bilingual society and has been since at least 1848. You're a fool if you haven't figured out yet that Spanish-speaking Californians need to learn English only as much as English-speaking Californians need to learn Spanish. Either way, being monolingual will limit your social and professional opportunities.
Coulrophobia

San Bruno, CA

#116 Sep 10, 2008
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, that "hotel tax" is the junk food in the city revenue diet. It would take more work to bring Cisco, Apple or Intel to Beach Flats. But the revenue to the city would be huge.
In what world is that even a remote possibility? Amazing.
Dave

Santa Clara, CA

#117 Sep 10, 2008
Waxfoot wrote:
I'm now wondering just how many jobs they will give to that neighborhoods folks. One? Five? or none.
If the people that live in that neighborhood have the job skills that can be used for either construction, or working in the hotel, they will be able to work there. If they don't have the skills they will not. It is that simple !!!
There is NO room in our society for make work projects in the Private Sector. Leave that for the government to do. If you want a do nothing job, go to the Federal Government., the state, the county, or the city. Now before you government workers get all fired up. You work very hard at what you do. It is the system that I have a problem with. When you fill out a form, there is someone being hired a few miles, a hundred miles or a thousand miles away being hired to look at that same form and then file it away. This is what Government workers do and have done for years. They get in the way of private enterprise. O.K. some is necessary, building roads, fighting wars, etc. but for the rest of the stuff. Let me have private enterprise anytime.
Henry

San Mateo, CA

#118 Sep 10, 2008
Canefield needs to seize the momentum and begin the action of processing a specific plan for the entire Beach Flats area. The entire area needs to be redone in order to increase tax revenue. BF is no different than Kelo v New Haven Conn. Let's get to it folks.
Warts

Seattle, WA

#119 Sep 10, 2008
Won't be long after that place is built the cockroaches will be checking out. Iced T said that line on Law and Order.
person dot com

Fremont, CA

#120 Sep 10, 2008
i'd never rent anything bordering south ocean st. however, staying in a hotel there a couple of nights wouldn't be an issue...that's a decent price for out of towners who will be able to enjoy the boardwalk and a short taxi ride downtown. i'm sure i've stayed in a dodgy area in LA without realizing it, so whatever at least the inside will be nice!
Ocean Blue

San Jose, CA

#121 Sep 10, 2008
The City Council should buy a street sweeper for the Beach Flats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_D9
Bobby

Walnut Creek, CA

#122 Sep 10, 2008
Coulrophobia wrote:
<quoted text>
In what world is that even a remote possibility? Amazing.
Those companies have satellite offices all over the planet. There is no reason they, and others like them, could not operate here as well. Indeed, some of them have done so in the past. Altera is here already. Be amazed.
Billy from the Hills

Palo Alto, CA

#123 Sep 10, 2008
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
If the people that live in that neighborhood have the job skills that can be used for either construction, or working in the hotel, they will be able to work there. If they don't have the skills they will not. It is that simple !!!
There is NO room in our society for make work projects in the Private Sector. Leave that for the government to do. If you want a do nothing job, go to the Federal Government., the state, the county, or the city. Now before you government workers get all fired up. You work very hard at what you do. It is the system that I have a problem with. When you fill out a form, there is someone being hired a few miles, a hundred miles or a thousand miles away being hired to look at that same form and then file it away. This is what Government workers do and have done for years. They get in the way of private enterprise. O.K. some is necessary, building roads, fighting wars, etc. but for the rest of the stuff. Let me have private enterprise anytime.
Why can't the private sector build roads, fight wars, etc.?
Iceman

AOL

#124 Sep 10, 2008
Chico wrote:
<quoted text>
You have obviously never worked in construction or hospitality in California. To get a job in construction, hotel kitchens, or hotel housekeeping, you'll do better to speak Spanish than English. And that is fine. California is a bilingual society and has been since at least 1848. You're a fool if you haven't figured out yet that Spanish-speaking Californians need to learn English only as much as English-speaking Californians need to learn Spanish. Either way, being monolingual will limit your social and professional opportunities.
After we throw all the ILLEGALS out, we won't have that problem anymore.
slightly salty

San Jose, CA

#125 Sep 10, 2008
Still wondering about the safety of those large below-sea- level parking garages so close to the ocean. And where are all the auto fumes from down there supposed to go? Guess the council did not (wish to) see any problems there?
shack

United States

#126 Sep 10, 2008
hooray
hooray
hooray
DrBob

San Pablo, CA

#127 Sep 10, 2008
MikhailA bunch of rich jerks from the ills talking about what life is like in Beach Flats - keep your petit burgeoise opinions to yourself. I've lived in Beach Flats for some time now, and I've never once had any trouble with the people who live there. Being poor doesn't mean you're lazy, dirty, unemployed, or violent. This is an attempt to drive a wedge in the Beach Flats community, fueling gentrification and kicking out the local people and businesses for BIG CORPORATE $$$$$$. It's sad to see that so many people in "progressive" Santa Cruz have such contempt and disgust for their own neighbors. If you want to act like that, go home to LA

I am from LA unfortunatly have to live here now to take care of elderly parents. I found so much compassion and love in my home town of LA where neighbors care about each other and people are kind to the less fortunate. I have 50 years of positive experience living in Beverly Hills and Malibu as well as parts of LA. Here in SC all I encounter is vicious people with their own selfish agenda. Such hate is exhibited here on the blog daily, you all seem to hate your neighbors and anyone you consider less fortunate then you. I am shocked at how the homeless are treated here. I have never known such hate as I have here. Santa Cruz is not progressive at all, it is racist against all that do not meet its underground standards of living. What a sad area, so glad I can go home soon.Good riddence Santa Cruz with your mean mentality people.
Mikhails a whigger

United States

#128 Sep 10, 2008
Mikhail wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't wait till all you bigoted, class-ist suckers eat the government policies that have been keeping you at the top and swallow every crumb. Just wait until you have to live with all the Latinos and working class and average Joe you despise. Let's just remember folks, this ain't racism - I'm lily-white and they hate me just cuz'a where I live. This is classism, class warfare, class strife, class hatred pure and simple. The big boys in Washington have conned all the doctors and lawyers into hating the people who pick their produce, stock their shelves, clean their toilets, and assemble their gadgets. But it'll all come full circle, an unbroken circle of violence and hatred unless we rise above it NOW.
let's take a look at those quotations, shall we?
"I can't wait to see the look on your faces when every wretched word you speak against me and my people is force-fed back to you."
"Me and my people," insinuating you are one of the poor oppressed minorities you claim as your own.

But in a few lines down: "I'm lily-white and they hate me just cuz'a where I live."

So you are "lily-white", like many of the very folks you rail against, the supposedly "rich white establishment" that apparently encompasses folks who want to have a nice house and neighborhood free of crime, and perhaps a big screen TV. I think most of these folks you've been capping on are pretty much the average Joes. And there might be some who are wealthy, and so what? I'd say most of them in this town worked their butts off to make their money, and if they are enjoying it, what's that to you?
I think I hit it pretty close to the truth in my last posting. You're a wannabe minority that's in search of a cause, and someone to blame and rail against. you've made a complete fool of yourself in your postings and I havent seen one posting that supports your doofus mentality. Again, there it is: a self proclaimed "lily white" guy with a degree in philosophy from an expensive university" living in the 'hood (these were all your words, not mine). Which expensive university was it? They're all expensive. Was it Brown University? Columbia? Princeton? Harvard? Or was it San Jose State? Sonoma State? Or UCSC? I guess by living in the 'hood and speaking some street slang " 'bout dissing my people" and acting like you DOWN for the Brown brothas, I guess you gots some street cred!!!
Again, the white guy trying to to be a brother of another color: they call them whiggers. The mental image I get of you is Napoleon Dynamite's brother Kip dressed up in the bling bling and leaving with his girl La Fawnduh. What a riot!!!
Billy from the Hills

Union City, CA

#129 Sep 10, 2008
DrBob wrote:
MikhailA bunch of rich jerks from the ills talking about what life is like in Beach Flats - keep your petit burgeoise opinions to yourself. I've lived in Beach Flats for some time now, and I've never once had any trouble with the people who live there. Being poor doesn't mean you're lazy, dirty, unemployed, or violent. This is an attempt to drive a wedge in the Beach Flats community, fueling gentrification and kicking out the local people and businesses for BIG CORPORATE $$$$$$. It's sad to see that so many people in "progressive" Santa Cruz have such contempt and disgust for their own neighbors. If you want to act like that, go home to LA
I am from LA unfortunatly have to live here now to take care of elderly parents. I found so much compassion and love in my home town of LA where neighbors care about each other and people are kind to the less fortunate. I have 50 years of positive experience living in Beverly Hills and Malibu as well as parts of LA. Here in SC all I encounter is vicious people with their own selfish agenda. Such hate is exhibited here on the blog daily, you all seem to hate your neighbors and anyone you consider less fortunate then you. I am shocked at how the homeless are treated here. I have never known such hate as I have here. Santa Cruz is not progressive at all, it is racist against all that do not meet its underground standards of living. What a sad area, so glad I can go home soon.Good riddence Santa Cruz with your mean mentality people.
Well said!!! Santa Cruz is the epitome of liberal hypocrisy! Do as I say, not as I do. Racist. Intolerant. Rage against everything. It is a beautiful place that has been f'uglified by the people.

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