Do you think Becky Johnson and Robert Norse are...

Created by Craig on Apr 24, 2008

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rita

Jamestown, CA

#2 Apr 24, 2008
You don't have to be "low life" to be homeless. Most people are just few paychecks away from the streets, or, t the very least, vehicle. Hars to maintain dignity and functionality without a roof over your head. Most homeless, you wouldn't even recognize as such. They re too busy working and trying to be invisable. There is a big difference between hard core street people and homeless, per say. And, even the hardcore can be helped out of the situation. It takes resources and time to retrain the mind to live differently. Never understood how people would get mad at a street person because they had given them a buck or two and seen them on the streets the next day. How much change could you make in your life with a buck? Unfortunately, sometimes it takes alot to make one mindful. I didn't believe it could happen to me, and then, there I was. No, don't drink, do drugs and not mentally ill(though I came close when unhoused). It took not only a tremendous amount of work on my part, but the creative help of compassionate individuals. And, while you wnder, what sre you doing to stop the homeless population from escalating?
Mik

Hayward, CA

#4 Apr 24, 2008
They help as much as two people with little rescources can. Norse provides some interesting viewpoints on his radio show, even though I do get tired to him beating the no sleeping ban drum so often. Becky personaly helped a homeless friend of mine about 8+ years ago when he was arrested for simply writing in chalk on the sidewalk. This is the same thing kids in every suburban neighborhood do, but the city called it vandalisim downtown. Some of you may remember this story as it was front page on the sentinel around 2000. Since then Santa Cruz often gets "Chalked up" as it should.
Craig

Santa Cruz, CA

#7 Apr 24, 2008
It's time for them to step aside and let someone come in that will really do something to help the homeless people in need.
Mean Hornet

Los Altos, CA

#8 Apr 24, 2008
Craig wrote:
It's time for them to step aside and let someone come in that will really do something to help the homeless people in need.
I nominate Craig to step in...
Brian

Santa Cruz, CA

#9 Apr 24, 2008
He follows through on cashing his trust fund check every month.
Brian

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Apr 24, 2008
Becky's been beating that chalk story to death for a long time.
Jimmy ZZ

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Apr 24, 2008
While I have alot of compassion for our local citizens that have found themselves homeless, I have no respect for Robert and Becky. In all these years they have really not accomplished anything other than destroy any sense of civility during city council meetings and waste the city's money on lawsuits that went nowhere. Money that could have been spent on services.
If I could have voted for Waste Of Time AND Hurting The Homeless I would have.
Craig

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Apr 24, 2008
Don't worry Jimmy. It looks like most people think they are a waste of time and damaging the homeless.
Pat Kittle

Santa Cruz, CA

#15 Apr 24, 2008
Robert & Becky make excuses for bums and junkies treating our local forests like a free garbage dump/sewer/shooting gallery.

But Robert & Becky won't lift a soft flabby finger to help clean up the filth, or even encourage the bums to clean up after themselves.

They claim if we take a chunk of that forest and turn it into a legal homeless camp that will solve the problem.

Of course, Santa Cruz is already a favorite destination for bums. Can you imagine what kind of a signal that will send to every bum in the country?

Ask Becky & Robert if there's any (ANY!) upper limit to the number of homeless that Santa Cruz should support before we seriously draw the line. They'll try to change the subject, because they have no upper limit!

It's like asking a knee-jerk liberal if there's any upper limit to the number of illegal immigrants we're supposed to cater to before we seriously draw the line.

No sense of limits!
Craig

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Apr 24, 2008
Pat, believe me when I say there are alot of liberals in this town that have no affection whatsoever for Robert and Beck. If there is one thing that conservatives and liberals in Santa Cruz can definitely agree on it is that they both hold no respect for these two.

They think if it wasn't for them things would be different. Very true. Many more people might actually be housed.
Rita B H

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Apr 24, 2008
I just think it's disgusting how they have hijacked other people's misery in order to get attention for themselves. I keep track of what is being said in different forums and chat rooms. I also read the paper regularly. These two have done nothing to help the poor homeless that need a hand up. There are so many good people in this town that want to help. But these two ding dongs have made it so that people turn a blind eye to a worthy cause. No one wants to be associated with them, and in return no one wants to help.
Becky and Robert, people don't need to sleep outside. They need to sleep inside. I wonder how many of the homeless here in town really just want to continue sleeping outside. While Robert lives in a house he didn't even work to get.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#18 Apr 24, 2008
RITA B H WRITES: "Becky and Robert, people don't need to sleep outside. They need to sleep inside. "

BECKY: I couldn't agree more. People need to have homes, apartments, condos, and motel rooms to sleep in. Homeless people I have interviewed want shelter that has a room with a door on it!! However, RITA, we DON'T have that, do we? In fact, we have NEVER had enough shelter to protect the people who do not have homes who live in/pass through our community. It shouldn't be that hard since homelessness is only 1%-3% of any population (And NO, we don't have more than our share of homeless.)

But the SLEEPING BAN outlaws the act of sleeping anywhere out of doors or in a vehicle for 9 hours each night in a City where there is no legal shelter available for the number of people who need it.

The HUFF position is that we shouldn't be citing and arresting people for taking care of their own needs to sleep and keep warm, when they have no other choice.

Believe me, I get no pleasure from seeing any of my fellow human beings sleeping in a doorway or under a bush. the difference is, I don't think "call a cop and arrest him!! He's sleeping out of doors!!"

I wonder how many homeless people like to get a $95 citation (which skyrockets to $300 if not paid promptly) for falling asleep at night?
rita

Jamestown, CA

#20 Apr 24, 2008
Becky Johnson wrote:
RITA B H WRITES: "Becky and Robert, people don't need to sleep outside. They need to sleep inside. "
BECKY: I couldn't agree more. People need to have homes, apartments, condos, and motel rooms to sleep in. Homeless people I have interviewed want shelter that has a room with a door on it!! However, RITA, we DON'T have that, do we? In fact, we have NEVER had enough shelter to protect the people who do not have homes who live in/pass through our community. It shouldn't be that hard since homelessness is only 1%-3% of any population (And NO, we don't have more than our share of homeless.)
But the SLEEPING BAN outlaws the act of sleeping anywhere out of doors or in a vehicle for 9 hours each night in a City where there is no legal shelter available for the number of people who need it.
The HUFF position is that we shouldn't be citing and arresting people for taking care of their own needs to sleep and keep warm, when they have no other choice.
Believe me, I get no pleasure from seeing any of my fellow human beings sleeping in a doorway or under a bush. the difference is, I don't think "call a cop and arrest him!! He's sleeping out of doors!!"
I wonder how many homeless people like to get a $95 citation (which skyrockets to $300 if not paid promptly) for falling asleep at night?
I agree, sleep deprivation was one of the worst things about being homeless. Especially if someone clled on me, knew I wasn't causing any problems, then the cops would show up. A few were nice and appreciated it, most has an arrogant frat boy
mentality and would even chuckle and make jokes about camping. sleeping sitting up, my legs were swollen. One night in real bed, haven't had to take diuretics since! When zi went to the ER, will serious medical problems, all they kept asking me was if I had been drinking (I rarely drink), After being asked the same questions NINE times, gave up. They so wanted to write me off and have me fit into thier little stereotype. And, even if I had been drinking, should still have been treated with dignity and my medical issues addressed.
Takes so much energy to survive not being housed, hard to muster up even more to climb out. When i hear/read people try to stereotype homeless as some sort of subhuman to justify their own lack of humanity, it sorrows me and I hope they don't have to learn the hard way. There are many things you can do to mke a difference, through organizations and as an individual. Just do what you can and please, don't waste your energy on judgemental hatefulness.
Dave

San Francisco, CA

#21 Apr 24, 2008
Robert and Becky's effectiveness can be measured in a variety of ways by spectators on couches such as ourselves that can allow reasonable people to disagree. I vote that they are effective. They have been both very effective at keeping the issue of homelessness on the front burner in our community. Yeah I agree, they are a thorn in the side to a part of the community unwilling to comprehensively address this problem in a way that does not involve adding misery onto the plates of working families. These two individuals are not "service providers". They concern themselves with and advocate for the rights of people without shelter. True, their tactics leave them unpopular with many but I believe this increases pressure on electeds to work with service providers who seem less controversial in comparison. Robert and Becky's positions on key homeless issues are not far out of sync with the Santa Cruz mainstream but their approach to the solution rubs us the wrong way. I say they are effective because they keep this issue from being swept under the rug. Thanks.
ron

Santa Cruz, CA

#22 Apr 25, 2008
I think robert and becky are working very hard bring attention to the unjust laws we have in Santa Cruz and else where. Not allowing people to be able to sleep is wrong, Not any where just some where as robert has said many times.

robert and becky have taken their own time, money and energy working on changing this issues. I agree with dave,from felton about there effectiveness. I would like to see more people like becky and robert.
Thanks to the both of you
Pat Kittle

Santa Cruz, CA

#23 Apr 25, 2008
ron wrote:
I think robert and becky are working very hard bring attention to the unjust laws we have in Santa Cruz and else where. Not allowing people to be able to sleep is wrong, Not any where just some where as robert has said many times.
robert and becky have taken their own time, money and energy working on changing this issues. I agree with dave,from felton about there effectiveness. I would like to see more people like becky and robert.
Thanks to the both of you
Maybe you'd like to clean up the massive filth their wonderful bums leave in our local forests.

Becky & Robert sure can't be bothered.
Pat Kittle

Santa Cruz, CA

#24 Apr 25, 2008
Dave wrote:
Robert and Becky's effectiveness can be measured in a variety of ways by spectators on couches such as ourselves that can allow reasonable people to disagree. I vote that they are effective. They have been both very effective at keeping the issue of homelessness on the front burner in our community. Yeah I agree, they are a thorn in the side to a part of the community unwilling to comprehensively address this problem in a way that does not involve adding misery onto the plates of working families. These two individuals are not "service providers". They concern themselves with and advocate for the rights of people without shelter. True, their tactics leave them unpopular with many but I believe this increases pressure on electeds to work with service providers who seem less controversial in comparison. Robert and Becky's positions on key homeless issues are not far out of sync with the Santa Cruz mainstream but their approach to the solution rubs us the wrong way. I say they are effective because they keep this issue from being swept under the rug. Thanks.
Maybe you'd like to clean up the massive filth their wonderful bums leave in our local forests.

Becky & Robert sure can't be bothered.
Pat Kittle

Santa Cruz, CA

#25 Apr 25, 2008
rita wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, sleep deprivation was one of the worst things about being homeless. Especially if someone clled on me, knew I wasn't causing any problems, then the cops would show up. A few were nice and appreciated it, most has an arrogant frat boy
mentality and would even chuckle and make jokes about camping. sleeping sitting up, my legs were swollen. One night in real bed, haven't had to take diuretics since! When zi went to the ER, will serious medical problems, all they kept asking me was if I had been drinking (I rarely drink), After being asked the same questions NINE times, gave up. They so wanted to write me off and have me fit into thier little stereotype. And, even if I had been drinking, should still have been treated with dignity and my medical issues addressed.
Takes so much energy to survive not being housed, hard to muster up even more to climb out. When i hear/read people try to stereotype homeless as some sort of subhuman to justify their own lack of humanity, it sorrows me and I hope they don't have to learn the hard way. There are many things you can do to mke a difference, through organizations and as an individual. Just do what you can and please, don't waste your energy on judgemental hatefulness.
Maybe you'd like to clean up the massive filth their wonderful bums leave in our local forests.

Becky & Robert sure can't be bothered.
Mean Hornet

Foster City, CA

#26 Apr 25, 2008
Pat Kittle wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you'd like to clean up the massive filth their wonderful bums leave in our local forests.
Becky & Robert sure can't be bothered.
Pat, not all homeless leave huge messes behind...I have worked on projects where a homeless camper had picked up over 300 large bags of garbage left behind by beach goers. My crews carried the garbage bags off the beach to a rented dumpster. The property owner was happy the homeless guy was camped there.

Pat, I have cleaned up many a dump site that was created by non-homless folks. Did you ever walk through the mess students would make at elf-land?

Heres a hot tip if you are illegaly camping...leave your site cleaner than you found it, when you are discovered the property owner will be much happer than if they find a huge mess.

Pack it in...Pack it out.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#28 Apr 25, 2008
HUFF supports opening a homeless campground on 2 or 3 acres of the over 2,000 acres of greenbelt, parkland, and open space found within the City limits of Santa Cruz. This would not only provide homeless people with a much better living situation than the armory/ISSP which is available in the night only, but would reduce the impact of illegal camping in the greenbelt/parkland areas.

HUFF also advocates for a night-time only carpark at the Emeline County Services complex which is out of sight of all homes and businesses.What say you Pat?

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