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Robert's Still Actively Involved with OSC

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Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#1 May 2, 2012
A picture by Bradly Stuart at http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/04/29/1... with the caption "Occupy Santa Cruz general assembly unanimously adopts a resolution in support of the Santa Cruz Eleven. April 29, 2012."
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#2 May 2, 2012
If you look closely, you'll see Robert Kahn-job in the back with his thumb up in the air like the rest, voting on the resolution. Still more proof of Robert's active involvement in the Occupy Santa Cruz movement.
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#6 May 2, 2012
Who cares about whether RN was there or not, that is not the point of our movement.

99% vs. 1%
DBS

San Jose, CA

#7 May 2, 2012
But Robert Kahn-job IS the one-percent.

Why is he trying to get people to protest what HE is?
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 May 2, 2012
Who cares about RN. He is not OSC. You're just using him to divert attention from the 99% vs. 1%.
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#9 May 2, 2012
OSC wrote:
Who cares about RN. He is not OSC. You're just using him to divert attention from the 99% vs. 1%.
Your so-called 99% is more like 0.57%. By its own actions, the "occupy movement" has proven itself to be nothing more than a cult of socialist-leaning malcontents who engage in illegal activities.
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 May 2, 2012
Donny B wrote:
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Your so-called 99% is more like 0.57%. By its own actions, the "occupy movement" has proven itself to be nothing more than a cult of socialist-leaning malcontents who engage in illegal activities.
That's a global statement -- can you prove it?
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#12 May 2, 2012
OSC wrote:
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That's a global statement -- can you prove it?
Have you been living on another planet for the last year or are you one of those Occupy supporters that ignores/distorts reality to serve a personal agenda? Check out the global news accounts of all the global Occupy activities involving breaking the law (i.e trespassing, breaking and entering, assult and battery, illegal drug usage, etc. etc etc.). SF police just arrested 27 "occupiers" for taking over a building owned by the Catholic Church. One innocent bystander was also hit in the face with a brick when the occupiers decided to "duke it out" with police and one of them decided to throw a brick. This was the second time these people took over the building in the name of the "occupy movement".
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 May 2, 2012
I read just read a great piece on the May Day Occupy protests in NYC and Oakland on alternet.org :

http://www.alternet.org/story/155240/%27festi...

These protests sounded fun and well behaved. The MSM seems to focus on isolated incidents of violence, trying to taint the entire movement. That's their bias, which you seem to buy into.

Think about it. There were thousands of people involved in these May Day Occupy protests yet you can only cite a few isolated incidents of violence. How do you explain that?
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#15 May 2, 2012
OSC wrote:
I read just read a great piece on the May Day Occupy protests in NYC and Oakland on alternet.org :
http://www.alternet.org/story/155240/%27festi...
These protests sounded fun and well behaved. The MSM seems to focus on isolated incidents of violence, trying to taint the entire movement. That's their bias, which you seem to buy into.
Think about it. There were thousands of people involved in these May Day Occupy protests yet you can only cite a few isolated incidents of violence. How do you explain that?
I explain it by concluding that you're the one that is biased based on your response containing a focus on a few May Day events. In my previous post, I referred you to GLOBAL occupy activities that have taken place over a larger period of time. Like most of your comrades, you try to distort reality by ignoring the illegal activities that have occurred as a result of Occupy events. Yes, and you like to play the blame game too. That coincides with the whole idea that "occupiers" as a whole are just using the movement to shift responsibility for their own failures in life. So, nothing changes except you and the "movement" continue to lose potential supporters every day.

News accounts contain many instances of various Occupy groups trying to distance themselves from illegal activities by saying things like "We don't condone these activities" or "We posted a notice that these types of activities are not allowed". The problem is, the "Occupy movement" gives tacit approval for all these activities because they fail to remove the criminal element and allow these activities to occur in their name. Mention "Occupy" to mainstream America and the visualization is criminal, thug, and/or free-loading malcontent.
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 May 2, 2012
Donny B wrote:
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I explain it by concluding that you're the one that is biased based on your response containing a focus on a few May Day events. In my previous post, I referred you to GLOBAL occupy activities that have taken place over a larger period of time. Like most of your comrades, you try to distort reality by ignoring the illegal activities that have occurred as a result of Occupy events. Yes, and you like to play the blame game too. That coincides with the whole idea that "occupiers" as a whole are just using the movement to shift responsibility for their own failures in life. So, nothing changes except you and the "movement" continue to lose potential supporters every day.

News accounts contain many instances of various Occupy groups trying to distance themselves from illegal activities by saying things like "We don't condone these activities" or "We posted a notice that these types of activities are not allowed". The problem is, the "Occupy movement" gives tacit approval for all these activities because they fail to remove the criminal element and allow these activities to occur in their name. Mention "Occupy" to mainstream America and the visualization is criminal, thug, and/or free-loading malcontent.
I have been following the Occupy movement in the alternative media and I have gotten a totally different picture than what you're getting from the MSM. Just like the MSM did to the Seattle WTO protests in 1999, they are trying to do the Occupy movement -- news of violent protestors sells papers while peaceful protests are boring to them. Then Seattle police chief Norm Stamper apologized for the Seattle PD's use of chemical agents, an overreaction, against mostly peaceful protesters.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/30/i_made_...

You obviously have an agenda and a bias against popular protest movements. That's sad for you that you seem to be so angry towards the Occupy movement that you insult people with global statements.
Ed Natol

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 May 3, 2012
More telling, the photos show what little active support OSC has. They're down to two meetings a week with the same 20 or so tired activists and protesters that we're used to seeing in Santa Cruz.
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#19 May 3, 2012
OSC wrote:
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I have been following the Occupy movement in the alternative media and I have gotten a totally different picture than what you're getting from the MSM. Just like the MSM did to the Seattle WTO protests in 1999, they are trying to do the Occupy movement -- news of violent protestors sells papers while peaceful protests are boring to them. Then Seattle police chief Norm Stamper apologized for the Seattle PD's use of chemical agents, an overreaction, against mostly peaceful protesters.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/30/i_made_...
You obviously have an agenda and a bias against popular protest movements. That's sad for you that you seem to be so angry towards the Occupy movement that you insult people with global statements.
Yeah right, you don't like what you hear from me, and I have the agenda. That's sad for you that you seem to be so out of touch with reality that you ignore facts that conflict with your skewed version of reality.

As Ed states in the post above, and if you took off the blinders, you'd see that the Occupy movement has little to no public support. You (that is the collective [an appropriate choice of words, don't you think, Comrade?] "you" as in the "Occupy movement") have no credibility and you're all viewed as malcontents.

A bit of free advice to you and the other Occupy folk --- life is hard and nothing is free. Work hard and make something of yourself and stop with the freeloading mentality.
OSC

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 May 3, 2012
Donny B wrote:
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Yeah right, you don't like what you hear from me, and I have the agenda. That's sad for you that you seem to be so out of touch with reality that you ignore facts that conflict with your skewed version of reality.
As Ed states in the post above, and if you took off the blinders, you'd see that the Occupy movement has little to no public support. You (that is the collective [an appropriate choice of words, don't you think, Comrade?] "you" as in the "Occupy movement") have no credibility and you're all viewed as malcontents.
A bit of free advice to you and the other Occupy folk --- life is hard and nothing is free. Work hard and make something of yourself and stop with the freeloading mentality.
You make claims about the "Global" movement. You should provide some substantiation. Protest movements, like that against the war in Vietnam, usually require many years to gain broad popular support. They are complicated, defying simple description. In principle, Occupy's message about the 99% vs. 1% has caught on with the public. They have reframed the debate about corporations, government and economics in this country in less than a year -- that's quite an achievement.

Please don't make assumptions. I am not an Occupy participant. I am an enthusiastic supporter. The American Dream of working hard and succeeding is no longer true because of 40 years of neoliberal and neoconservative economic policies. College grads cannot find good jobs after working hard in school. You're living in the past. The 1% broke the social contract with the 99%.

I don't really care what you say. You're not saying anything I don't like to hear. Don't pat yourself on the back :) I think you are ignorant, so I will waste no more time with you.
no future

Santa Cruz, CA

#22 May 3, 2012
OSC wrote:
College grads cannot find good jobs after working hard in school. You're living in the past.
More school=good job=more money=better future was the old way.

Now, there are no guarantees. You get whatever you get, if you get it.

With the cost of education today, going to college and getting that degree upon graduation is a privilege, not a right.

Who's living in the past?
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#23 May 3, 2012
no future wrote:
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More school=good job=more money=better future was the old way.
Now, there are no guarantees. You get whatever you get, if you get it.
With the cost of education today, going to college and getting that degree upon graduation is a privilege, not a right.
Who's living in the past?
There have never been guarantees about jobs. You do what you can to land a job you like, but if that doesn't work, you find a job doing something else. There are times when you have to take multiple low paying jobs to get by. You do it because you have to. Your comment "With the cost of education..." is absolutely right. If I were looking to find a job today, I'd be looking at trade school.
Donny B

Falls Church, VA

#24 May 3, 2012
OSC wrote:
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You make claims about the "Global" movement. You should provide some substantiation. Protest movements, like that against the war in Vietnam, usually require many years to gain broad popular support. They are complicated, defying simple description. In principle, Occupy's message about the 99% vs. 1% has caught on with the public. They have reframed the debate about corporations, government and economics in this country in less than a year -- that's quite an achievement.
Please don't make assumptions. I am not an Occupy participant. I am an enthusiastic supporter. The American Dream of working hard and succeeding is no longer true because of 40 years of neoliberal and neoconservative economic policies. College grads cannot find good jobs after working hard in school. You're living in the past. The 1% broke the social contract with the 99%.
I don't really care what you say. You're not saying anything I don't like to hear. Don't pat yourself on the back :) I think you are ignorant, so I will waste no more time with you.
Go back to drinking your Kool Aid and living in your socialist fantasy world where you expect to haev everything given to you. You'll never amount to much taking handouts from the Government.

You keep referring to the "99%" as if 99% of the public are on the side of the "Occupy movement". When is it going to sink in that Occupy is the 1%(less actually). Yeah, keep drinking that Kool Aid.
no future

Santa Cruz, CA

#25 May 3, 2012
Donny B wrote:
If I were looking to find a job today, I'd be looking at trade school.
Tell that to the kids who are expecting the job that they "earned" upon completing school.

If paying money(that many people now don't have)to go to school(that now people can't afford) gets you a better-paying job, isn't that effectively buying a job?

Now who's privileged and/or empowered by money?

Many "college-aged" people have enough sense (though maybe many more don't) to know that even if they take out loans, paying them off within even 15 years isn't realistic, and more so, expecting some kind of student loan "amnesty" is even less realistic.

So they go to their local community college with a vocation in mind, and while they may wait months if not years to get the courses they need, they are able to pay for it with their own money and the jobs they choose actually have openings needing to be filled. Meanwhile, the UC students with outrageous loans or mummy and daddy's money paying for school look down their noses at these realists for not having "higher aspirations" and trying (demanding?) to get what they want.

"Rise up!!! Occccuuuuppppyy Everything!!!" Yeah...you do that.
I'm busy working on that welding certification program so I can build bridges, literally.
not so fast

Gig Harbor, WA

#28 May 4, 2012
no future wrote:
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Tell that to the kids who are expecting the job that they "earned" upon completing school.
EXPECT a job ?? EARNED a job??

With such a bitter and self-absorbed sense of entitlement, "No future" sounds about right. In fact, I'd say it's karmic retribution.

For a "free-thinking" and "open minded" liberal, you sure have an unwaveringly narrow view of how to achieve self-sufficiency. If you think it's the job of government and universities to pave your way and protect you from all of life's hurdles, you are sorely mistaken. You better get used to "protesting" as a way of life...because with your mindset, the real world and you just aren't going to get.

*Sigh* There was a time when an able-bodied adult would feel shame for being dependent on someone else to support them. Now, there's not only no shame, it's actually become a demanded way of life. Amazing!
Tony

Santa Cruz, CA

#29 May 4, 2012
"Nobody wanna plant di corn, they only wanna raid di barn!"

Anthony B

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