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Tequila Sunrise

Denver, CO

#1 May 20, 2010
David Friedman, you didn't know that Paradise Park was in a flood zone? You didn't know that the county budgeting for this kind of removal was likely to be cut? Buy yourself a chain saw and get to work.
Andrew

Warner Robins, GA

#2 May 20, 2010
I believe Howard Sosbee and Ron Lowe are one and the same person. How could anyone be so ignorant? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Reality

United States

#3 May 20, 2010
Hey Sosbee, you left wing liberals have had the uncontested majority here in "Moscow by the Bay" for many years. Look at how well that has worked out for us.
Right on Time

Watsonville, CA

#4 May 20, 2010
Paul Browne is right.
God bless you, Christie Keyes.
doggone it

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 May 20, 2010
"He is a girly man in the arena of politics and that to me will be his sad legacy."
Joseph Cortez Jr., Soquel

I don't know if it is worth pointing out that your use of the word girly is derogatory and insulting to females.
MRider

Santa Cruz, CA

#6 May 20, 2010
Andrew wrote:
I believe Howard Sosbee and Ron Lowe are one and the same person. How could anyone be so ignorant? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Calling someone ignorant who does not share your position is an even better example of ignorance.
The Stooge Howard

Oakland, CA

#10 May 20, 2010
Andrew wrote:
I believe Howard Sosbee and Ron Lowe are one and the same person. How could anyone be so ignorant? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
You might be right, Andrew. It's hard to believe that two such one-track, big- government-is-great, conservatives-are-Satan minds could arise in the same county. And to think when yesterday's Sosbee letter ran I thought "well, that blissful month-plus period without his op-ed rants is over." But now two letters from him in back-to-back editions? Come on letters page editor, show the readers a little mercy.
Nobel Prize winner wrong

San Carlos, CA

#13 May 20, 2010
Thank God for Paul Brown of Capitola! Finally someone with incontrovertible proof the planet is not warming. Now I can tool around town all alone in my gas guzzler, guilt-free and buy stock in mukluk makers.
With Paul's revelations we can keep filling the air with fossil fuel emissions, poisoning the soil, water and fisheries with mercury from coal burning power plants and sleep easy knowing our children will one day thank us for doing everything we could to counteract global cooling. The Earth is flat! Tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer! Let's hear it for bloodletting and leeches!
dON

United States

#14 May 20, 2010
To Paul Einstein wrote:
Paul says " As for rising sea levels, fill a glass to the top with ice water and watch as the water never spills over from the melt. "
Ice is actually less dense than water, hence why it floats.
Also, when the ice melts in water in displaces less volume than it occupied as ice, hence the case of your glass.
Much of the ice, for example in the Antarctic sits on land. It doesn't displace any water. When it melts it adds to the water volume in the oceans. Greenland also can add because of the enormous amount of land locked ice.
Paul you just blew yourself out of the water when it comes to understanding where ice is located in the world. It is not all floating in the oceans.
Arctic sea ice growing - Climate scientists confused
>> Sunday, April 4, 2010
http://ecological-problems.blogspot.com/2010/...

What's amazing is the lack of ability of AlGore's followers to differentiate between GW & AGW.

GW has occurred before & may be occurring right now, but the MWP was warmer than now & the Little Ice Age beat Napoleon out of Russia. On it goes, it's the weather!

Only 6% of the world's ice is in temperate zone glaciers...AlGore bought on the Beach in Santa Barbara...

Wake up! THE ICE IS BACK IN WINTER!
dON

United States

#15 May 20, 2010
"As Californians prepare to elect a new governor, I look back on Arnold Schwarzenegger's term and wonder where the outrage is concerning his handling of this state's business."

WE HAD A CHANCE TO SUPPORT THE GOV IN 2005.

Instead the voters listened to the Unions ad campaigns, especially the Gov't Unions & the Teacher's Unions.

What might be happening now is unknowable, but the Democrats in California sure showed Ahnold the writing on the wall in that 2005 election.

BTW, Democrat Lockyer, California Treasurer told the Democrat controlled Legislature last October...REFORM THE PENSION SYSTEM OR BANKRUPT THE STATE!!!!!!!

In the following 7 months, have you seen even one reform idea from the Democrats?????????

I'M ASKING YOU, SEEN ONE? I DEFY ONE LIB TO SHOW ME PLAN & YOU UNION LOVERS MAKE ME & ALL TAXPAYERS...poorer!

Guess they don't understand the word BANKRUPT in Sacramento!
Confused 17

Livermore, CA

#16 May 20, 2010
I've a question for everyone above blaming the States problems on Republican,and Democrats; Isn't this really OUR FAULT for electing "unprincipled men in office" and allowing such to be Lobbied,(which to point out to all those enthralled with the European model, is illegal in most European countries) by large corporations, who in turn then get job offers for when they leave office, to corrupt their replacements? These problems we have are rooted to US, the VOTERS. Period. There is no one else to blame but ourselves.

Since: May 10

Fremont, CA

#17 May 20, 2010
Sigh. I shouldn't have to explain this, but:

The situation with ice and water in a glass is NOT the same as what would happen if global warming is happening. I am not arguing about whether or not global warming is happening, but rather what may occur if it is happening.

First, much of the presumably melting ice is not floating on the oceans. If that's all there were, then the analogy of ice cubes in a glass of water would be correct. Instead, much of the ice is on land areas such as Greenland and mountainous regions. If this melts, it adds to oceanic water, and sea levels rise in most places. Over a long term, the underlying land, now freed of ice, will rise (this is happening in Alaska, leftover from the last ice age). But the rising land in some places would not have much effect on sea levels relative to land elsewhere.

Second, a much bigger effect would be ordinary expansion of the oceanic water due to heating. Above about 4 degrees Celsius, water expands when heated, just as with most other substances. The oceans are thousands of meters deep, but presumably only the top portion would be noticeably warmed. Even so, the expansion due to warming would cause significant rise in sea levels.

Third, it is actually possible that global warming might reduce sea levels, by trapping more water as glaciers on land. This is counter-intuitive. The issue is whether climate change (of any kind) produces warmer winters anc cooler summers. If so, then the warmer winters will cause greater snowfall on land areas, and the cooler summers will result in less snowmelt. This is a recipe for increased glaciation. On the other hand, cooler winters with warmer summers will have the opposite effect of reducing glaciation.

Fourth, there are side effects that may be caused by having the topmost level of ocean less salty than it is now, due to an influx of fresh water from melting continental ice. I don't know the model for this, so I'll just mention it in passing.

There you go. I hate to leave without some humor: Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, and a polar bear were adrift in a rowboat, and there was only food for one of them, so...
Jennifer

San Francisco, CA

#18 May 20, 2010
MRider wrote:
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Calling someone ignorant who does not share your position is an even better example of ignorance.
I agree. If you are not a liberal you are stupid. I have learned this from my liberal friends and the media. I now know.
dON

United States

#19 May 20, 2010
Nobel Prize winner wrong wrote:
Thank God for Paul Brown of Capitola! Finally someone with incontrovertible proof the planet is not warming.

With Paul's revelations we can keep filling the air with fossil fuel emissions, poisoning the soil, water and fisheries with mercury from coal burning power plants and sleep easy knowing our children will one day thank us
Democrats construct a high cost economy that drives jobs overseas.

China is producing the steel for the Bay Bridge...they use coal.

Now they add the pollution to ship it 6,000 miles across the Pacific Ocean.

THINK GLOBAL, ACT LOCAL: Work to stop polluting the Bay with sewage...we dumped over 12 million gallons again yesterday, today, tomorrow...

Make this an issue in the City Council elections in Santa Cruz next November!!

BTW, China does not need cap & tax to become #1 Globally in PV solar collector & wind turbine production.

China has THE ECONOMICS CORRECT, we get debt...where are the jobs (going)???????

How can you "sleep easy knowing our children will one day thank us" for this MOUNTAIN of debt?
dON

United States

#20 May 20, 2010
Look how well wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans have done for us. Totally destroyed the economy. Thanks
Citation required...specifics would help too.

Is this Ron Lowe in disguise?
Reality Check

Berkeley, CA

#21 May 20, 2010
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
David Friedman, you didn't know that Paradise Park was in a flood zone? You didn't know that the county budgeting for this kind of removal was likely to be cut? Buy yourself a chain saw and get to work.
Actually, the Feds have stepped in to stop the log clearing - it's bad for the fish. Without natural breaks, there are fewer pools for them to congregate in, and less gravel to spawn in. There are plenty of places to live that are not in flood zones.
who we taklin about

United States

#22 May 20, 2010
Christine King, you talk about "our community". A lot of people who live outside the city have claims on Santa Cruz even though they aren't subject to paying for it. I wish to be punitive to those I do not welcome into "our community" such as the bums, gangs, and anarchists.
James Anderson Merritt

San Francisco, CA

#23 May 20, 2010
Paul Browne wrote, "As for rising sea levels, fill a glass to the top with ice water and watch as the water never spills over from the melt."

Mr. Browne, I was with you up to that statement. The melting glaciers that cause the eco-minded to fret are ON LAND. If the water that is captured on land as ice goes back to the oceans, whether as icebergs or runoff, ocean levels will rise. I am not convinced, however, that Gore and his acolytes have a sufficiently accurate idea of when and by how much.

Steve Schnaar wrote, "what about the dangers of the ever-present lemonade stands? I've passed three in my neighborhood in the past week. Not one had a license, and I highly suspect health code and child labor violations at all of them. Let's put our law enforcement resources where they belong."

From your lips to the City of Tulare's ear: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/poli...

Or, for something closer to home, what about the card-table produce stand run by two Clayton kids -- which the city famously shut down: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...

The problem with letters like yours, Mr. Schnaar, is that they give ideas to official busybodies with too much power and too much time on their hands. Shhh! Don't encourage them! ;-)
David

United States

#24 May 20, 2010
To Paul Browne and other global warming skeptics:
The National Academy of Sciences, probably the most prestigious scientific organization in this country, has just released three reports regarding the real (non-junk) science behind climate change and global warming. Their conclusion: "A strong, credible body of scientific evidence shows that climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems". Summaries of these reports can be obtained at: www.nationalacadamies.org . Check them out.
James Anderson Merritt

San Francisco, CA

#25 May 20, 2010
@David: Your link sent me to some aggregator ad site. Here is a better one: http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/ne...

There, you can pay big bux to download pdfs of the full reports, or download the "reports in brief" for free. Aren't the National Academies set up and supported by our tax dollars? If so, why can't I get PDFs of the entire reports "for free," as I already would have "paid" for them this past April?

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