Heavy security is the new normal in C...

Heavy security is the new normal in China's Tibet

There are 324 comments on the The Boston Globe story from Mar 7, 2010, titled Heavy security is the new normal in China's Tibet. In it, The Boston Globe reports that:

The troops with automatic rifles patrolling the Tibetan quarter of the capital of Chinese-controlled Tibet are as ever-present as Buddhist pilgrims.

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“slipping slowly into senility”

Since: Feb 10

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#24 Mar 17, 2010
RayH wrote:
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Target practice on Terrorists.
Sorry, unlike you, we don't bomb wedding parties.
ok-i see what u are talking about now. you wandered off into the wrong country. we are talking about CHINA. THIS IS THE CHINA FORUM. just your saying other countries do $hit, doesnt justify china's government POLICY on dissent.
this is not the place to discuss a wedding party in afghanistan, but at least it doesnt represent a usa policy, a subject on which we might have similar opinions
Mirolyuba

Burnaby, Canada

#29 Mar 17, 2010
RayH wrote:
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In your dreams maybe. Since 2001, Chinese and Indians in the U.S. have been going home in droves. Even more today. Why? Booming economies in China and India, recession in the U.S.
Sounds like Xinhua dreams are what you are lost in.

Do you realize that over two-thirds of Chinese who study in the West NEVER COME BACK to CCP China?
Mirolyuba

Burnaby, Canada

#30 Mar 17, 2010
Yum x Yum wrote:
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in referring to the chinese policy for gunning down monks, nuns, and children as 'target practice', i think your statement goes a long way in supporting the main reason for anti-chinese sentiment. bravo
HA HA HA HA HA!

These CCP types are remarkably stupid, aren't they?
bill

Christchurch, New Zealand

#31 Mar 17, 2010
RayH wrote:
Lamas supporting independence at all cost? That means Terrorism.
Wonder how many Hippies will support the Lamas if they turn to Terrorism after the DaLIE Lama's death? How many Hippies are supporting the ETA separatists / terrorists in Spain now?
Anyways, target practice for the Chinese military in the future.
sometimes i wonder what side of your face you talk out of ray, you say Tibet is part of china,, and "they are our brothers",,,, really?,, take a look at this, and click on "murder in the snow",

this still sickens Aussies and Kiwi,s, and I guess people all over the world. TO be a commie chinese,, is stooping lower and lower

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/14/China_s...
please, can i hear your comment?
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#32 Mar 17, 2010
Q&A on Tibet
Elisabeth Martens interviewed in "Le Courrier"
by Bénito Perez / April 4th, 2008

Elisabeth Martens was interviewed by Bénito Perez for Le Courrier in Geneva on 27 March 2008. Here is the entire interview in which she directly answers all questions on the history, recent events, repression, the Dalai Lama, and the social problems of Tibet.

BP: Didn’t China ANNEX Tibet? Can we deny the existence of a national claim for Tibet, for a “Tibetan nation” distinct from China?

EM: As I said earlier, Tibet was ANNEXED to China by the MONGOLS, that is, during the period when the Mongols extended their empire into China (13th century). When China regained control of its empire, with the Mings, from the 14th to the 16th centuries, it pretty much lost all interest in that distant Tibetan region and Tibet remained “PASSIVELY” annexed to China. Then the Manchus took over China and made Tibet a Chinese province. This tactic was repeated by the British and then by the US.

So WHAT IS MEANT BY THE TERM “NATION”?
If you want to talk about a nation historically distinct from China, you have to go back to the Tubo dynasty that ruled Tibet from the 7th to the 9th centuries. It would be like our now claiming to be the empire of Charlemagne! If you want to talk about a specific culture, it seems obvious that Tibet does not have the same culture as China, not just because of the differences in their spoken and written languages, but also because of the differences in their traditions, their religions, their inhabitants, and so on.

This had not stopped the many instances of cross-culturing, to the point that I asked myself what would jump off in the way of family dramas and breakups if one day Tibet really became independent and shoved all the Han Chinese out the door, along with all the Muslims (these are the two ethnicities targeted by the government in exile): they would have a helluva problem telling just who was who and who belonged to what ethnicity.

In fact, the ethnic analysis is only a way of explaining to the general public why the wars fought among the great powers happened: this was also seen in the Balkans, in Iraq, in the USSR, and it is happening again in Tibet. What flabbergasted me was that public opinion has still not caught on. And what worries me is that the stakes in this conflict have by far surpassed those of the other conflicts: on the one hand, China can not just let itself do whatever, and on the other, the world economy is at risk of serious shock.
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#33 Mar 17, 2010
PB: How do you explain the very PRO-TIBETAN feelings in the West, especially in THE MEDIA?

EM: PUBLIC OPINION follows the media, and the media OBEY ECONOMIC INTERESTS. Don’t we live in an ECONOMIC DICTATORSHIP here at home? CENSORSHIP IS AS REAL HERE AS IT IS ANYWHERE, but just BETTER HIDDEN.

In the West, you are NOT LOCKED UP IN PRISON FOR YOUR OPINIONS, but RATHER IN YOUR HEAD, then in the illnesses that ensue. I wonder sometimes which is worse.

So your actual question becomes:“How do you explain the pro-Tibetan feelings conveyed by our economic system?” Neither the US nor Europe fully APPRECIATES the dazzling advances made by China on the world stage. All the PLANS ARE IN PLACE TO BRING IT DOWN:

“We have to raise hell during the Peking Olympics!” squeals Danny Cohn-Bendit in his speech before a plenary session of the EU parliament on how Europe must act toward China.

And this, not even a week after the events that lit up downtown Lhasa!

It is so monstrous, yet that shows in a very simple way that the “big world of diplomacy and high finance” doesn’t have a solution for the Tibetan problem, and what is really important for them is to “raise hell in China.”

How DO YOU GET the Western public to swallow this pill, especially WITHOUT LOSING THE APPROVAL OF INTELLECTUALS?

For that you have to call on His Holiness, who with a smile of the “ETERNAL SNOWS” could make a cat back down in front of a mouse.

Hasn’t Tibetan Buddhism gussied itself up in its best bib and tucker TO CHARM A WEST “DEVOID OF SPIRITUAL VALUES”?

Surfing into our lives on the 70s wave of “GETTING BACK TO THE SOURCE”, it WAS NOT DIFFICULT to pass it off as THE DHARMA, presented to us as a sort of “spiritual atheism”, a philosophy of life, a way of being, an internal therapy, etc., in short, EVERYTHING BUT a RELIGION.
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#34 Mar 17, 2010
PB: How do you explain the very PRO-TIBETAN feelings in the West, especially in THE MEDIA?
continue...

But, if we look at it a little more closely, the Buddhism of Buddha is already a religion when it offers TRANSCENDENCE: a place BEYOND THE SUFFERING THAT RESULTS FROM OUR PHYSICAL AND TEMPORAL LIMITATIONS.

Doesn’t this Beyond, this transcendence, imply having faith? Tibetan Buddhism is still more a religion when it reintroduces DOGMAS, the most famous of which being reincarnation, and it was exactly this that Buddha, himself, personally, rose up against!

Reincarnation was RETURNED TO HONOR by the Tibetan Buddhism of the 14th century, in order to make official the spiritual, temporal, and, especially, MATERIAL INHERITANCE of a Rinpoché(or head of a monastery) to his successor, by the system of the TULKOUS (which is based on a belief in reincarnation).

To be the HEAD OF A MONASTERY in Tibet at the time of feudalism, was to be A LARGE PROPERTY OWNER: land, and the assets on the land, including the SERFS, belonged to the monastery.

This explains why there were so many ASSASSINATIONS among the Tibetan high clergy and wars between the schools of Tibetan Buddhism.

In short, Buddhism, thanks to its very plastic character, has adapted to the different environments where it has made its home, whether in Tibet or in 20th century Europe … where His Holiness the DL is happy to ladle out democracy, with a soup spoon of Human Rights, and some freedom of expression, all mixed with a pinch of Buddhist tolerance and compassion, and we get a nice smooth dough ready to bake in the media blast furnaces to make a nice cream pie!

That Buddhism adapts is a sign of its good health! What is much more unwholesome is a Dalai Lama who PASSES Tibetan Buddhism off as a non-religion (a philosophy) of tolerance and compassion stripped of any political implications.

That is truly a laugh (even though it may not be a very good joke)!

“Say hello to my little friend!”

Since: Jul 08

The Milky Way Galaxy

#35 Mar 17, 2010
Down with the dictatorial regime of communist China.
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#36 Mar 17, 2010
Here is something interesting.

Don't miss the forest for the trees
By Chen Weihua (China Daily)
posted 2010-03-09

I happened to be in Honolulu in 1993 when Hawaii tried to become the first state in the United States to legalize same-sex marriage. Even the Crossroad Church came out to pledge its support.
Out of curiosity, I set up an appointment with the president of the Hawaii Gay & Lesbian Association. The man, in his 60s, was already a gay rights activist during the days of the Stonewall riots in 1969. He was quite straightforward in his answers, but I was sure that I could not get anything published in China simply because homosexuality was then not only taboo but also illegal.
Fast forward to the present: I was shooting a video clip at Times Square in New York 10 days ago when two male passers-by kissed each other.
Just last Wednesday, Washington DC began issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples, with many gay and lesbian couples waiting outside the courthouse in the early morning.
Six US states and one district so far have granted same-sex marriages. Most of the states are in the East Coast with only Iowa coming from the American heartland.
If you believe the US as an open and progressive society based on these facts, you are looking at just one side of the coin.
Most US states have in fact passed laws banning same-sex marriages. The federal government also prohibits same-sex marriage with the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
For Chinese who regard the US as a progressive country, think of this: Abortion is still one of the most contested issues in US society and politics today. Most counties there don't have an abortion provider. And the US has witnessed more anti-abortion violence than any other country, with doctors being shot and murdered, their clinics set on fire or bombed.
In recent days, abortion has become an obstacle for US President Barack Obama to pass his healthcare reform bill.
So is the US a progressive or conservative society? It is both. The country is so diverse that many things about the country, however unbelievable, are all true.
While many Chinese only see one side of the US, most Americans also get a glimpse of one face of China.

Many still regard CHINA AS A NATION UNDER MAO TEDONG from decades ago, when everyone wore dull blue jackets and waved the little red book. In reality, fashion in China, and in Shanghai in particular, is often colorful today. Even the once "decadent" homosexuality is increasingly tolerated and accepted in Chinese society.
Shanghai's brand new subway system also beats that of New York City, although the latter's subway is about a century old.

However, it would be misleading and problematic if you think the rest of China is like Shanghai, or Beijing, or Guangzhou. China would look like three or four worlds with different levels of economies or different mindsets in different regions.
Be it the second or third largest economy in the world; a rising number of the affluent and a shift to clean energy; 150 million people living under a dollar a day; an army of hundreds of millions of hapless migrant workers roaming the cities and some serious environmental problems, everything good and bad, progressive and conservative about China is also all true.

China has many faces. So does the US.
The two nations are often at odds with each other because people and politicians often see one side of the issue.

If they can see the whole manifold picture, the two countries would have fewer problems with each other. Even if problems linger, they would find it easier to solve them.
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#37 Mar 17, 2010
Here are some of the comments to the above.

jeff 2010-03-16
i commend the personnel at this website for their efforts to keep the world informed about China. any news you can deliver about China's efforts to address the global warming situation would be welcome, as the U.S. government has lost all moral authority.

having lived in the U.S. for my entire life, i can say your editorial is accurate. there is great intolerance here for minorities, such as gays and lesbians. sodomy was a crime in many of the fifty states in this country until 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled such laws to be unconstitutional. even today, the Republican party regularly propagandizes against gays and seeks to suppress the votes of African-Americans on a regular basis. Michael Steele, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee was appointed, shortly after Obama was elected president, as window dressing by the party leaders to improve its public image.

for those of you who have not read Alexis de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" (1835), I strongly recommend it, particularly its discussion of the tyranny of the majority, as this same phenomenon occurs time and time again throughout American history.

Violetlily 2010-03-15
Actually, the real problem is the media that insists on aggressive hyperbole and exaggeration when it comes to other countries. Chinese and Americans get along perfectly fine, it is the media that tries to create a rift.

Ariel Ky 2010-03-12
Your observations are enlightening. People who have lived in both the U.S. and China have a better sense of what is really happening, just as people who climb a mountain get a bigger view. As an American in my third year of living in China, I tend to focus on what's exciting and promising in China's rapid development. I feel very privileged to live here at this time. I teach English and I see the ways that it also opens people's minds to new and different ways of thinking. I believe that this merger of the Eastern mindset and the Western, which is happening with so many Chinese learning English and studying abroad, as well as Chinese who've developed careers in the West returning to China, is contributing to an evolutionary process that will greatly benefit humanity.

"It was said a third of US congressmen don't have a passport, and they never travel abroad. Most Americans are very provincial, especially those in the hinterland.
At the same time, Chinese often get their knowledge about America from Hollywood, which presents the fictional America that is not real.
The problem with China and the United States is not they disagree with each other, but they don't understand each other. So understanding is key. Send more Chinese students to America and send more American students to China."

Yes. Chinese should dine on McDonalds and Americans on fried rice more often to promote mutual understanding.
RayH

Guangzhou, China

#38 Mar 17, 2010
Yum x Yum wrote:
<quoted text>
ok-i see what u are talking about now. you wandered off into the wrong country. we are talking about CHINA. THIS IS THE CHINA FORUM. just your saying other countries do $hit, doesnt justify china's government POLICY on dissent.
this is not the place to discuss a wedding party in afghanistan, but at least it doesnt represent a usa policy, a subject on which we might have similar opinions
After the DaLIE Lama dies, you know the Tibetan Youth Congress will turn into a Terrorist group, independence at all cost, similar to the ETA in Spain.

So, will you support them then? Yes, will you support Terrorism?
Observer

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#39 Mar 17, 2010
take a peek wrote:
Down with the dictatorial regime of communist China.
Remind me of the YOUNG REBEL.

First you start by rebelling against your parent. Next the establishment. Next you burn your country flag. It is a pity that without a proper education, you started your intrusions into other people's way of life.
This is the beginning of your LIFE JOURNEY!

Trash
by Alexandra

You're throwing it away, you're wasting your life.

You're too young to know what decisions to make.
You're too stupid to know what opportunities to take.

You're just a teenager, too rebellious and wild to think.
You're on the brink of falling over the edge.
Don't take a step too far, be cautious,
right now you're on the ledge.

I'm just trying to help, so don't raise your voice.
It's not your choice anymore.
You must do as I say, you can't have it your way.

You don't know what you want.
You can't have what you hunt.

You can't have your own dreams, you have mine.

I couldn't live my life to the fullest,
so I'm going to make yours the dullest.

Don't waste your life or throw it away
because you're living it for me, my way.
Mirolyuba

Burnaby, Canada

#40 Mar 19, 2010
take a peek wrote:
Down with the dictatorial regime of communist China.
I agree fully!

"Observer" thinks that you should grovel and lick the boots of the Chinese Communist Party murderers, and betray the Chinese people and nation,...

just as he does.

Unless you are a coward and traitor as he is, I suggest you stick to your present course of heroic patriotism.
Zero

San Francisco, CA

#41 Mar 19, 2010
"Free Tibet!" Pass the bong. What?
Just Curious

Canada

#42 Mar 19, 2010
Mirolyuba wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree fully!
"Observer" thinks that you should grovel and lick the boots of the Chinese Communist Party murderers, and betray the Chinese people and nation,...
just as he does.
Unless you are a coward and traitor as he is, I suggest you stick to your present course of heroic patriotism.
You lick the egg rolls of the cheap Chinese take-out place, and perhaps the dog shit on its door steps too.

What a crazy shameless racist egg roll addict who eats Chinese food but hates the Chinese people!
Mirolyuba

Burnaby, Canada

#43 Mar 22, 2010
Phony charge of racism AGAIN "Just Communist"?

Post ONE SINGLE RACIST QUOTE from me, or admit you are a paid CCP liar!

Of course, we all know THAT already!

HA HA HA!

Since: Feb 10

Burwood, Australia

#44 Mar 22, 2010
Mirolyuba wrote:
Phony charge of racism AGAIN "Just Communist"?
Post ONE SINGLE RACIST QUOTE from me, or admit you are a paid CCP liar!
Of course, we all know THAT already!
HA HA HA!
Not rascism? And yet you doubt that your beloved nation is devaloping?

Wait? Not rascism, and you claim that they are the lapdog of Western nations and that they live in sub human conditions like the zealous media says?

What are you? Mirobullya? Some freak with split personalities?
INK

Allambie Heights, Australia

#45 Mar 23, 2010
MustFlame wrote:
<quoted text>
Not rascism? And yet you doubt that your beloved nation is devaloping?
Wait? Not rascism, and you claim that they are the lapdog of Western nations and that they live in sub human conditions like the zealous media says?
What are you? Mirobullya? Some freak with split personalities?
mirotard is not Chinese as I said before. He is a racist as I also said before. We all know that he is a racist and hater of Chinese people around the world!
Mirolyuba

Surrey, Canada

#46 Mar 23, 2010
MustFlame wrote:
<quoted text>
Not rascism? And yet you doubt that your beloved nation is devaloping?
Wait? Not rascism, and you claim that they are the lapdog of Western nations and that they live in sub human conditions like the zealous media says?
What are you? Mirobullya? Some freak with split personalities?
Phony charge of racism AGAIN "Must Lick CCP Boots"?

Post ONE SINGLE RACIST QUOTE from me, or admit you are a paid CCP liar!

Of course, we all know THAT already!

HA HA HA!
Mirolyuba

Surrey, Canada

#47 Mar 23, 2010
INK wrote:
<quoted text>
mirotard is not Chinese as I said before. He is a racist as I also said before. We all know that he is a racist and hater of Chinese people around the world!
Phony charge of racism AGAIN "ICK"?

Post ONE SINGLE RACIST QUOTE from me, or admit you are a paid CCP liar!

Of course, we all know THAT already!

HA HA HA!

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