San Lorenzo River gets shot of new fi...

San Lorenzo River gets shot of new fish to boost local runs

There are 34 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 2, 2009, titled San Lorenzo River gets shot of new fish to boost local runs. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The Ford F-450 slowly backed up to the river. The diesel engine revved as the tires dug for traction in the soft sand and, above, the flat bed of the truck shuddered beneath the weight of a small aquarium.

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john doe

United States

#1 Apr 2, 2009
The biggest reason for their decline, fishery biologists say, is stream disturbance -- be it dams in the creeks or development along the banks -- which results in less water and less hospitable conditions for the fish to breed.
The River bed is full of weeds and trash. It has become a toilet for the trolls who live under the bridges in Santa Cruz. I'll bet that these slobs kill more fish than the sea lions...
Jim

Palo Alto, CA

#2 Apr 2, 2009
The sea lions are devastating to these fish.....they will go up to Felton to hammer the jueveniles. The weeds and fallen trees are good. The trolls don't help though.
Planting

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Apr 2, 2009
So why is it that you can't stock Loch Lomond or hundreds of other streams anymore but you can dump steelhead into the San Lorenzo? Don't get me wrong, I think they should stock every river and creek if that helps increase the fish population. Just seems strange to ban one form of stocking but not another.
dubious

Santa Cruz, CA

#4 Apr 2, 2009
Dam removal in the San Lorenzo? You can dump fish in a river, but that doesn't make it viable habitat. Only when policy makers get serious about environmental protection will the river ever be able to support viable runs of salmonids. That will take a lot of $, political spine, and decades (or more?) of restoration...As a society, are we ready to go there? Otherwise, why waste the resources for a half- as sed effort?
laughing out loud

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Apr 2, 2009
Jim wrote:
The sea lions are devastating to these fish.....they will go up to Felton to hammer the jueveniles. The weeds and fallen trees are good. The trolls don't help though.
Yeah...lots of sealions in Felton. There might be on in the display case at Henry Cowell, but otherwise, you're yet another deluded fisherman looking for scapegoats. If the population were viable, then the marine mammals would have negligible effects on it.
Planting is an Idiot

United States

#6 Apr 2, 2009
Loch Lomond - non-native fish planting was banned there.
OldFreeDiver

Walnut Creek, CA

#9 Apr 2, 2009
Fifty three years ago looking for steelhead in the river during fishing season I dove under a fallen tree and found two fifteen inch steelhead hiding and resting (near the old smelly tannery). I reached forward figuring I could grab one by the tail but when I got hold of it the surprised fish flipped its tail and threw my arm and hand completely out of the way....zip they were gone. I had no idea how strong they were. Anyway as I look at the area today I see no natural cover at all. I can't even find "water skeeters" in the side pools. Seems like a totally lifeless body of water between Highway One and Water Street.(Unless ducks, crows and coots count.) After the December flood of 1955 the river bed was stripped by the Army Corp of Engineers (with community approval) for flood control. Earlier this year my neighbor saw an Otter just below the Water street bridge. Without protection from preditors (Man or beast) our wildlife may go missing forever...perhaps along with us. In the last two years I have yet to see a fish or even a school of minows swiming in this area. They were common sights to the river mouth fifty years ago.
disabuser

Palo Alto, CA

#10 Apr 2, 2009
So what does John Ambrose, a biologist with the National Marine Fisheries Service, have to say about the quite un-endangered sea lions that feast on trout and salmon in the river? Simply killing those few that have persistent river dining habits seems like a scientifically rationale way to enhance the natural runs and increase balance into the system. But no let's instead we can see if we can pursue a path of maximum disruption to humans and create more jobs for biologists and activists in the pursuit of some kind of a ecological nirvana.
bigbub

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Apr 2, 2009
The furbags were never endangered, threatened or underpopulated. They got a free ride with the marine mammal protection act of 1973 which was supposed to be for whales and otters. You can't do diddly about managing any aspect of their behavior.

As John Ambrose has pointed out on more than one occasion, SEA lions are not river lions. Its time to manage their populations accordingly.
poster

Oakland, CA

#12 Apr 2, 2009
Jim wrote:
The sea lions are devastating to these fish.....they will go up to Felton to hammer the jueveniles. The weeds and fallen trees are good. The trolls don't help though.
Sea lions and steelhead have been co-existing for hundreds if not thousands of years. Sea lions are NOT the problem.
Phil

United States

#13 Apr 2, 2009
Planting wrote:
So why is it that you can't stock Loch Lomond or hundreds of other streams anymore but you can dump steelhead into the San Lorenzo? Don't get me wrong, I think they should stock every river and creek if that helps increase the fish population. Just seems strange to ban one form of stocking but not another.
Hi Planting, stocking Loch Lomond doesn't increase fish populations anywhere but Loch Lomond. It's not connected to local waterways in any normal fashion. In fact, its only connection to local waterways is that water is pumped into it from the San Lorenzo. There's a dam at the pumping station, but there's also a fish ladder. The water is used as part of the water supply for the city of Santa Cruz. Stocking Loch Lomond was strictly for the fishermen. I don't know if removing water from the San Lorenzo is contributing to the decline of the Steelhead. I think they could manage it to have little or no effect.

For those who think septic runoffs are polluting the river, please note that the pumping station for Loch Lomond is in Felton, near the bridge to Henry Cowell. This is downriver from practically the entire San Lorenzo Valley. That river water is in the Loch Lomond reservoir, and the fish there have always thrived. And Santa Cruzans drink it.

I've seen sudsy runoff during the rains. I don't know what causes it, but I'm pretty sure there's a natural reason. I've seen it coming off a redwood tree. I know several plants, like ceanothus, which give off a sudsy residue when washed. I think the water supply is pretty good.

I hate to say it, but it looks like the main problem may have been how we used to dam up the river to make swimming holes. Without fish ladders, steelhead were having trouble getting upstream. Now that we've stopped that practice, maybe we'll see populations increase. I hate to lose them, but the pool at the high school is good (except for the chlorine) and cheap.
troll food

Los Gatos, CA

#14 Apr 2, 2009
the drugged homeless eat all of the aforementioned fauna. Makes for a mixed pot.
Phil

United States

#15 Apr 2, 2009
<quote>Steelhead are the andronomous form of rainbow trout, meaning they're born in streams and migrate to the ocean as adults.</quote>

That would be "anadromous", I think. I don't think there's a word "andronomous," but it would probably refer to male names, I think. "Anadromous" means "going upriver to breed."
Nay

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Apr 2, 2009
Regardless of all the other 'issues' that picture of all the fish coming out of the hose is pretty cool.
Rick

United States

#17 Apr 2, 2009
Phil, Loch Lomond is filled my Newell Creek a tributary to the San Lorenzo river, the earthen dam is named Newell Creek Dam, in todays age that dam would never have been allowed to be built as Newell Creek was great steelhead and salmon habitat.
Renter

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 Apr 2, 2009
The problem with the river mouth water quality is not so much with the trolls as with the sewer system in town. All the main lines have been tested, but all the connections from the mains to the houses and businesses are old, cracked and leaking, and all the seapage from the groundwater into the lagoon is septic. Between that and the birds (70% of the fecal colliform in the lagoon comes from birds) anywhere downstream of Soquel can make you sick. The County tests the river and consistantly finds, outside of the winter months, that the river is generally clean until you get to town. Just checked it right now and it must still be the winter months...http://sccounty01.co. santa-cruz.ca.us/eh/environmen tal_water_quality/current_wate r_quality_data/index.htm
Caelum Sinclair

Santa Cruz, CA

#19 Apr 2, 2009
Phil wrote:
<quote>Steelhead are the andronomous form of rainbow trout, meaning they're born in streams and migrate to the ocean as adults.</quote>
That would be "anadromous", I think. I don't think there's a word "andronomous," but it would probably refer to male names, I think. "Anadromous" means "going upriver to breed."
You are absolutely right, but Google it and be amazed at how common this misspelling is, even in government documents and technical manuals.

Since: May 08

United States

#20 Apr 2, 2009
Some one should contact PETA. Its cruelty to throw live organisms in that effluent.
Maynard

United States

#21 Apr 2, 2009
With all the homeless winos dumping in the river I say good luck fish, you'll need it.
check your facts

Santa Cruz, CA

#22 Apr 2, 2009
Rick wrote:
Phil, Loch Lomond is filled my Newell Creek a tributary to the San Lorenzo river, the earthen dam is named Newell Creek Dam, in todays age that dam would never have been allowed to be built as Newell Creek was great steelhead and salmon habitat.
Not above that big old barrier it wasn't...

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