Manager of Santa Cruz sober living en...

Manager of Santa Cruz sober living environment suspected of dealing meth

There are 40 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Aug 11, 2009, titled Manager of Santa Cruz sober living environment suspected of dealing meth. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The manager of a sober living environment and two of his three tenants were arrested on drug charges after sheriff's narcotic detectives raided the Seabright House and found methamphetamine worth nearly $1,000 Tuesday afternoon.

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Moss Landing, CA

#23 Aug 12, 2009
.... that the article about this doody is accompanied by an ad for 'The Potty Project'.
Cha Cha

San Francisco, CA

#24 Aug 12, 2009
You never want to read a story like this and find the name of a childhood friend. Brian seemed to be doing well last I saw him, but I guess looks can be decieving.
Lawzoffme

United States

#26 Aug 12, 2009
Obviously, SLE programs are bunk a way to make some money for someone and seldom work. What drug users who actually want to quit need is often hospitalization like care for at least a couple of weeks. Heavily monitored. Medically treated. Very expensive. And they have to want to quit too. Mixing those who want to quit with those who are just there to avoid jail gives the results you see here.
You can not force people to stop using drugs period. I dont know anyone who lived at this SLE myself, but I would venture a guess that most were there only so they wouldnt end up in jail not because they really wanted to stop using. When an individual makes the chioce to get clean on their own I deeply respect that. When the government, law, and cops tell them get clean or get locked up for a choice they made which only hurts themselves, I loose all respect for they rule of law completely. Legalize it all. Make better programs that are voluntary only, and stop herding all drug users into punishment camps called SLEs.
The Socialist Joker

United States

#27 Aug 12, 2009
Are the Sentinel reporters trying to tell us this loser pictured above, was somehow qualified and allowed to be the manager of a home containing drug losers? What the hell are the minimal qualifications to manage a tax payer supported failed drug program doing allowing this turd to be involved in any manner or form? Did you notice the reporter again failed to provide some valuable and very important information! The Sentinel reporter failed to list the name of the group who provides the funds for this alleged sober environment housing project? These types of omissions are frequently contained within Liberal media outlets! I'll put money wagered the taxpayers, through public grants, are again getting hosed by yet another failed liberal socialist program!
The Socialist Joker

United States

#28 Aug 12, 2009
Cha Cha wrote:
You never want to read a story like this and find the name of a childhood friend. Brian seemed to be doing well last I saw him, but I guess looks can be decieving.
I think the Liberals have a valid point that we should legalize all forms of drugs. Then the public taxpayer would never have to spend a dime on housing, caring medically or requesting the police to make criminal theft reports ever again. Life would be ever so utopic!
The Socialist Joker

United States

#29 Aug 12, 2009
Lawzoffme wrote:
Obviously, SLE programs are bunk a way to make some money for someone and seldom work. What drug users who actually want to quit need is often hospitalization like care for at least a couple of weeks. Heavily monitored. Medically treated. Very expensive. And they have to want to quit too. Mixing those who want to quit with those who are just there to avoid jail gives the results you see here.
You can not force people to stop using drugs period. I dont know anyone who lived at this SLE myself, but I would venture a guess that most were there only so they wouldnt end up in jail not because they really wanted to stop using. When an individual makes the chioce to get clean on their own I deeply respect that. When the government, law, and cops tell them get clean or get locked up for a choice they made which only hurts themselves, I loose all respect for they rule of law completely. Legalize it all. Make better programs that are voluntary only, and stop herding all drug users into punishment camps called SLEs.
Let's send the losers out to Arizona's Maricopa County and to Sheriff Joe Arpaio's version of law enforcement/incarceration no nonsense program. The losers receive no special treatment, they get three boring meals a day meeting minimum FDA standards, wear pink jumpsuits, sleep in tents, with no air conditioning, only two TV channels with minimal watching time (one Disney and one religious), and are required to work. He tells them if they don't like the accommodations, when they complete their incarceration, they should act as law abiding responsible legal residents of the county they can participate as responsible citizens within the community and don’t come back. He deports those unlawfully entitled to reside in the country per Federal guidelines and law. All of his deputies have received the Federal training to ensure they abide by Federal rules, laws and regulations specific to contact and confinement of illegal immigrant violators!
loweroceanlocal

Santa Cruz, CA

#30 Aug 12, 2009
Lawzoffme wrote:
Obviously, SLE programs are bunk a way to make some money for someone and seldom work. What drug users who actually want to quit need is often hospitalization like care for at least a couple of weeks. Heavily monitored. Medically treated. Very expensive. And they have to want to quit too. Mixing those who want to quit with those who are just there to avoid jail gives the results you see here.
You can not force people to stop using drugs period. I dont know anyone who lived at this SLE myself, but I would venture a guess that most were there only so they wouldnt end up in jail not because they really wanted to stop using. When an individual makes the chioce to get clean on their own I deeply respect that. When the government, law, and cops tell them get clean or get locked up for a choice they made which only hurts themselves, I loose all respect for they rule of law completely. Legalize it all. Make better programs that are voluntary only, and stop herding all drug users into punishment camps called SLEs.
actually, sle's tend to work well they are not programs at all. they are houses where people go after they get out of rehab, they are not detoxes or treatment centers. usually the only requirement is that you stay clean and sober, and that you pay your rent. typically they are run by an addict or alcoholic that has gotten clean, and gained some respect from the owners of the house. they typically are full of twelve steppers. the problem is that 12 step has never been 100 percent effective, because most do not do the program the way it was intended to work. many rehabs(not sle's) have people in them who are just there because it is court ordered, typically the people who move into an sle just got out of a 3 month treatment center, and need a cheap place to live while they are trying to get their lives back in order. they are there because they want to be.
loweroceanlocal

Santa Cruz, CA

#31 Aug 12, 2009
The Socialist Joker wrote:
Are the Sentinel reporters trying to tell us this loser pictured above, was somehow qualified and allowed to be the manager of a home containing drug losers? What the hell are the minimal qualifications to manage a tax payer supported failed drug program doing allowing this turd to be involved in any manner or form? Did you notice the reporter again failed to provide some valuable and very important information! The Sentinel reporter failed to list the name of the group who provides the funds for this alleged sober environment housing project? These types of omissions are frequently contained within Liberal media outlets! I'll put money wagered the taxpayers, through public grants, are again getting hosed by yet another failed liberal socialist program!
you are a fool. most sle's are privately owned and operated and are supported by the people who live in them. they are not treatment ccenters....see below. they are supported by people paying rent. usually around 500 bucks a month and they usually stack people two or more to a room in two to four bedroom homes with convertede garages in residential neighborhoods.
loweroceanlocal

Santa Cruz, CA

#32 Aug 12, 2009
oops i don't know how my posts got mixed up, see above for an explanation of sle's
Observer

San Jose, CA

#33 Aug 12, 2009
"you are a fool. most sle's are privately owned and operated and are supported by the people who live in them. they are not treatment ccenters....see below. they are supported by people paying rent. usually around 500 bucks a month and they usually stack people two or more to a room in two to four bedroom homes with convertede garages in residential neighborhoods."

SLEs are part of the dirty underbelly (overbelly?) of Santa Cruz. Typically they house [email protected] that are stacked like cordwood in houses in residential neighborhoods in Santa Cruz. The houses themselves are typically owned by creeps for whom being a slum-lord was too noble a profession.
loweroceanlocal

Santa Cruz, CA

#34 Aug 12, 2009
Observer wrote:
"you are a fool. most sle's are privately owned and operated and are supported by the people who live in them. they are not treatment ccenters....see below. they are supported by people paying rent. usually around 500 bucks a month and they usually stack people two or more to a room in two to four bedroom homes with convertede garages in residential neighborhoods."
SLEs are part of the dirty underbelly (overbelly?) of Santa Cruz. Typically they house [email protected] that are stacked like cordwood in houses in residential neighborhoods in Santa Cruz. The houses themselves are typically owned by creeps for whom being a slum-lord was too noble a profession.
wrong again. drug addicts are not all dirtbags. many are regular working class folks who got hooked on legal drugs, or alcohol. they are doctors. farmers' mechanics. they are simply people who succumbed to a powerful and deadly disease. they didnt become addicts, they were born addicts, the drugs are just a symptom of their disease. most people in these places are people trying to get their act together, and the owners of these places are typically home owners who lost everything and then got clean and sober and wanted to find a way to help others and make money at the same time. the fact that most addicts end up relapsing makes it troublesome to put all these people together in the same house. you are just a jerk that thinks his poop doesnt stink. you are a jerk and do not add anything positive to this forum with your posts. if you act like you speak in your posts in real life, i bet you are a very lonely person
cant fool everyone

Daly City, CA

#35 Aug 12, 2009
this article is true unfortunately. i helped get someone out of that sle last year who wanted to stay sober...but what about the evolving door in scotts valley? they need a good raid
slightly salty

San Francisco, CA

#37 Aug 18, 2009
yah it's a jungle out there... it seems the enforcers of the drug laws and programs are just as susceptible to addiction as anyone else; maybe even more so as they work long hours, have high stress jobs and easy access to drugs. put it all together and you end up with a lot of holes in the system. maybe a formal audit is in order.
The Pool Cleaner

Belmont, CA

#38 Aug 19, 2009
Barry wrote:
the sad part is that this is very commonplace in the SLE business.
No, it isn't. The sad part is that you are allowed to disseminate this myth.
The Pool Cleaner

Belmont, CA

#40 Aug 22, 2009
Barry wrote:
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why do you keep denying what I know to be FACT. I never said all SLEs are like this but some that i know of are like this. I know of two houses on the westside of santa cruz that has drug activity. I know of a SLE owner, who owns 4 SLEs and he is high on vicodin every moment of every day. Truth sucks doesn't it eh??
Better get your story straight Barry (and learn how to write),this is a small town. Are you speaking of Andy, or Rosenthal? Are you to afraid of your BS to just come out and make clear accusations?
Cheatos

Hayward, CA

#43 Aug 23, 2009
Barry, I nominate YOU to be the manager of this house, or one just like it. I think you would really be good in that position.
SantaCruzJohnny

Santa Cruz, CA

#46 Sep 3, 2009
Yeah, that's why there was such a big police investigation into the theft and Evolving Door was shut down LOL. Not. I still have my bedroom view of Mount Hermon Road...

What happens is some residents come up dirty, disappear on a run for days, get caught fraternizing, stealing, whatever...then when they are finally kicked out after being given several chances they're all bitter and retaliate by spreading rumors at the meetings.

It's the nature of alcoholics/addicts to blame everyone but themselves. Poor me...we're all basically liars and cons and self-pitying except by miracle of working the Steps.

Anyway since they opened in '06 I've seen Joey and Lori take in people with no money and bend over backwards to help, sad fact is most of us don't want it. The other sad fact is a lot of people in the recovery community are simply jealous of the house -- we all love to see people fall, unless we are IN the Program. Not just AROUND it gossiping.
ragged wrote:
Yeah..the "revolving door"in Scotts Valley. The guy who runs that place stole a bunch of oxycontin from my friend that went to that SLE. They put the medication in the safe upon entering, and somebody took it....pill popping owners there
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#47 Sep 3, 2009
SantaCruzJohnny wrote:
Yeah, that's why there was such a big police investigation into the theft and Evolving Door was shut down LOL. Not. I still have my bedroom view of Mount Hermon Road...
What happens is some residents come up dirty, disappear on a run for days, get caught fraternizing, stealing, whatever...then when they are finally kicked out after being given several chances they're all bitter and retaliate by spreading rumors at the meetings.
It's the nature of alcoholics/addicts to blame everyone but themselves. Poor me...we're all basically liars and cons and self-pitying except by miracle of working the Steps.
Anyway since they opened in '06 I've seen Joey and Lori take in people with no money and bend over backwards to help, sad fact is most of us don't want it. The other sad fact is a lot of people in the recovery community are simply jealous of the house -- we all love to see people fall, unless we are IN the Program. Not just AROUND it gossiping.
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Thanks, Johnny, for speaking the truth! Don't know Joey, but I worked with Lori at the Camp, and you are right---she'll bend over backwards to help out somebody who REALLY WANTS recovery and is willing to WORK for it, not just pay lip service and expect it will magically come to them on a silver platter without the footwork!
Cheatos

Hayward, CA

#48 Sep 5, 2009
Thanks to above posters bikerscum & Johnny mentioned the steps. I sponsor a lady over here in Willow Glen who got married last yr. to a great guy she met up at the Camp in SV. several yrs. ago. They are now both model citizens, and my sponsee works for some attorneys & adopted her new husband's 5 kids from his previous marriage to a 'wet' alcoholic mom who lived in Gilroy.
An Old Neighbor

United States

#49 Jan 19, 2014
Revolving door is NOT shut down,Santa Cruz Johnny was right on the nose on that one. I am an old neighbor of Joey (a.k.a.) Mark.....my step son lives there, my real son used to live there. People who just can't "handle" being sober, go back out, get caught, like to spread lies to try to make themselves look better, blame it on everyone but themselves.....I've been clean sense 99.....I know the in's n out's. Went to Janus.....lived in the Janus clean n Sober house for women for over 2 yrs.......heard it all. These programs DO WORK......IF YOU WORK THEM!! Joey had his problems before he opened revolving door, but decided to turn his life around and help others in need. GO JOEY!!!!

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