The tragedy of an adolescent's suicide

The tragedy of an adolescent's suicide

There are 36 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 4, 2010, titled The tragedy of an adolescent's suicide. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The loss of life at any age is traumatic enough. Suicide of a teenager is a deep loss to the family and society and evokes great pain and bewilderment for all.

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JJJ

Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Apr 4, 2010
"Individuate" ? seriously, thats a word? sounds like made up psychobabble to me.
kocy

Alameda, CA

#2 Apr 4, 2010
my sentiments exactly.....
kocy

Alameda, CA

#3 Apr 4, 2010
JJJ wrote:
"Individuate" ? seriously, thats a word? sounds like made up psychobabble to me.
Well, I'm just worried that we push these kids into a corner because they show certain "symptoms" that the "professionals" say are key. Look, when I was a teenager, I slept, I got angry, I forgot to comb my hair, I was embarrassed and was overly defensive, I changed my mind, I had different sets of friends every year or so, I had trouble sleeping, then I had trouble staying awake, I loved my siblings, I hated my siblings,.....come on.....

Maybe we should just let these kids grow up.....and maybe they will grow up normally if we stop analyzing them every step of the way and using that to concoct new social experierments on them.....
Social Engineers

Santa Cruz, CA

#4 Apr 4, 2010
kocy wrote:
<quoted text> Well, I'm just worried that we push these kids into a corner because they show certain "symptoms" that the "professionals" say are key. Look, when I was a teenager, I slept, I got angry, I forgot to comb my hair, I was embarrassed and was overly defensive, I changed my mind, I had different sets of friends every year or so, I had trouble sleeping, then I had trouble staying awake, I loved my siblings, I hated my siblings,.....come on.....
Maybe we should just let these kids grow up.....and maybe they will grow up normally if we stop analyzing them every step of the way and using that to concoct new social experierments on them.....
Great idea, but, the pot smoking left wing people are true believers in therapy and psychobabble. It's part of their guilt complex, where they feel guilty for the past and want to fix things by imposing measures on everyone no matter what.

I agree though, leave people alone. Stop labeling them as ADD etc. More importantly, teach them that the psycho people are mind controllers making a buck off of people by exploiting them.

Snake oil anyone?
Emperor Norton The Second

Santa Clara, CA

#5 Apr 4, 2010
Um, So it is pot smoking liberals that make these kids kill themselves? Pretty far out.

In the past there has been a lot of suicide by gay teenagers who live in places where being gay is not ok. I would say that it is conservative intolerance and bullying that is responsible for it.
Social Engineers wrote:
<quoted text>
Great idea, but, the pot smoking left wing people are true believers in therapy and psychobabble. It's part of their guilt complex, where they feel guilty for the past and want to fix things by imposing measures on everyone no matter what.
I agree though, leave people alone. Stop labeling them as ADD etc. More importantly, teach them that the psycho people are mind controllers making a buck off of people by exploiting them.
Snake oil anyone?
grammarian

Scotts Valley, CA

#6 Apr 4, 2010
"A self- inflicted volitional termination of a young life is truly tragic."

The poor writing is truly tragic.

Let's all write like this journalistic genius: The inverted syntax and nominalized diction constitutes a diminution of the human condition and attenuates the intended rhetorical effect of the article, per se.
Grace

Foster City, CA

#7 Apr 4, 2010
grammarian wrote:
"A self- inflicted volitional termination of a young life is truly tragic."
The poor writing is truly tragic.
Let's all write like this journalistic genius: The inverted syntax and nominalized diction constitutes a diminution of the human condition and attenuates the intended rhetorical effect of the article, per se.
Genius. Now can you do the same with Pagano's column?
Responsible Republican

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Apr 4, 2010
QUE ??
COMO ??
grammarian wrote:
"A self- inflicted volitional termination of a young life is truly tragic."
The poor writing is truly tragic.
Let's all write like this journalistic genius: The inverted syntax and nominalized diction constitutes a diminution of the human condition and attenuates the intended rhetorical effect of the article, per se.
neary

Milpitas, CA

#9 Apr 4, 2010
kocy wrote:
<quoted text> Well, I'm just worried that we push these kids into a corner because they show certain "symptoms" that the "professionals" say are key. Look, when I was a teenager, I slept, I got angry, I forgot to comb my hair, I was embarrassed and was overly defensive, I changed my mind, I had different sets of friends every year or so, I had trouble sleeping, then I had trouble staying awake, I loved my siblings, I hated my siblings,.....come on.....
Maybe we should just let these kids grow up.....and maybe they will grow up normally if we stop analyzing them every step of the way and using that to concoct new social experiments on them.....
Well, I had a psychotic break when I was 15 years old, with hallucinations and suicidal thoughts and the rest of the works. I was not a drinker and I did not do drugs, so the cause was my own mind. It was the singularly most frightening experience I have ever had, and I really really wish SOMEONE HAD SENT ME TO THERAPY at that time. I had to BEG my parents to send me to therapy when I was 18. They found the idea shameful.

The stigma against having a mentally ill child is HUGE. Undoubtedly there are kids who are misdiagnosed and over-medicated. But that does not mean that no children ever suffer from mental illness, nor does it mean that mentally ill children would benefit from just being left to "grow up." Your attitude reflects your own experience, but disallows for the completely different experience of others. I would like to gently suggest that you reassess your opinion.
Curious

Watsonville, CA

#10 Apr 4, 2010
Parents really do need to pay attention to signs and build a solid relationship with their children from the time they are very young. Parents need to be supportive and not expect their kids to be perfect; when they are expected to be perfect they feel like they are letting their parents down. The best thing for any child or teenager is just be there for them, talk to them, pay attention to the signs and be involved in their lives. It is the parents who have the most control from the time they are little, if a child is confident from the time they are young they will be more likely to be confident and do what they feel is right when they are teenagers and not follow the group doing the negative things when they are older. And for the kids who do have psychological problems parents really need to make sure they do the right thing for them send them to therapy. But I donít believe that all kids with problems need medication to cope with it and that is a mistake doctors and parents make, they take the easy way out. Why not get them into something that will motivate them and make them feel good instead of letting them grow up medicated and not able to cope with their problems without meds. and parents with the bully kids need to pay attention to their behaviors too because they learn from home that they can make fun of other kids or taunt them to the point that they canít take it anymore. Parents need to act like parents not just give their kids their basic necessities they need to be there for them in every way. When I was a teenager I went through a depressed stage which was due to drugs, boy troubles and feeling like my parents were against me and they did the best thing, they showed me how much they loved me while still disciplining me and I saw the pain I caused them which made me wake up and realize how good life with my family is. Kids that want to end their lives are lost and scared and see no other way out, it is up to their parents, teachers, and loved ones to be there for them and help them make it through those tough times. I have not looked up the statistics but it seems like depression in kids is a lot more common now and in my opinion it is because people are having kids to just have them knowing that they cannot give them the time and energy they need to make sure their kids grow up the right way.
jim green

Scotts Valley, CA

#11 Apr 4, 2010
neary wrote:
<quoted text> Well, I had a psychotic break when I was 15 years old, with hallucinations and suicidal thoughts and the rest of the works. I would like to gently suggest that you reassess your opinion.
You seem like a kind person, but since you're mentally unstable, I doubt folks will value your opinion or your civil rights. That's sad.

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#12 Apr 4, 2010
Emperor Norton The Second wrote:
In the past there has been a lot of suicide by gay teenagers who live in places where being gay is not ok. I would say that it is conservative intolerance and bullying that is responsible for it.
<quoted text>
Pretty neat explanation, and must be very comforting for you.

What explains the Santa Cruz adolescents who kill themselves?
GhostWriter47

San Jose, CA

#13 Apr 4, 2010
[Santa Cruz County resident]

Don't give every parent blanket absolution for responsibility when a child commits suicide.

Many parents are sensitive to their children's needs,
and are kind, caring, and helpful.

However, there certainly are parents who may push children toward suicide: for example, parents who are abusive; or parents who heap unreasonable expectations upon their children and punish their children for not meeting these expectations.
laura shaw

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Apr 4, 2010
I am amazed that compassion does not reign. With some observation of others and quiet tact one can gain so much with one's kids. Put the time in, get to know them, be there. Being there is what your kids will remember, being there and truly listening to them.
GhostWriter47

San Jose, CA

#15 Apr 4, 2010
grammarian wrote:
'A self- inflicted volitional termination of a young life is truly tragic.'
"The poor writing is truly tragic.
"Let's all write like this journalistic genius: The inverted syntax and nominalized diction constitutes a diminution of the human condition and attenuates the intended rhetorical effect of the article, per se."

You go, grammarian! Although, to be strictly fair, the above-cited sentence is rather better than the run of senile Sentinel sentences.

Since: May 09

Santa Cruz

#16 Apr 4, 2010
The placement of an individual therapist's name and phone number at the end makes the article look like an infomerical. Is it?
Emperor Norton The Second

Santa Clara, CA

#18 Apr 5, 2010
Um, there is bullying and intolerance in Santa Cruz as well. Comforting for me? I don't get it.
Xanthippe wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty neat explanation, and must be very comforting for you.
What explains the Santa Cruz adolescents who kill themselves?
Fred

Richmond, CA

#19 Apr 5, 2010
Social Engineers wrote:
<quoted text>
Great idea, but, the pot smoking left wing people are true believers in therapy and psychobabble. It's part of their guilt complex, where they feel guilty for the past and want to fix things by imposing measures on everyone no matter what.
Was it that Psych 101 class or talk radio that made you so smart? LOL.

Since: May 09

Santa Cruz

#20 Apr 5, 2010
Social Engineers wrote:
<quoted text>
Great idea, but, the pot smoking left wing people are true believers in therapy and psychobabble. It's part of their guilt complex, where they feel guilty for the past and want to fix things by imposing measures on everyone no matter what.
I agree though, leave people alone. Stop labeling them as ADD etc. More importantly, teach them that the psycho people are mind controllers making a buck off of people by exploiting them.
Snake oil anyone?
Your verbal spatter is hard to follow. Are you saying all liberals smoke pot or that its the liberals who smoke pot that want to control your mind? Isn't it the right-wing fundamentalists that want to legislate their beliefs regarding who we love and what women can do with their bodies? You are free to be as ignorant, paranoid and bigoted as you want but you really limit yourself and appear backwater when you dismiss an entire profession you clearly know nothing about.
Lame

Pacifica, CA

#21 Apr 5, 2010
I feel like dying all the time and I don't feel any of those "symptoms" I just look at the majority of people and how the world is....crime,violence,abuse,pro poganda.....that makes me want to leave this horride place.

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