Vehicle-bicycle accident backs up tra...

Vehicle-bicycle accident backs up traffic on 41st

There are 38 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Dec 22, 2009, titled Vehicle-bicycle accident backs up traffic on 41st. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A vehicle and bicyclist collided on 41st Avenue and Gross Road at about 3:40 p.m. Tuesday, backing traffic up in several direction in the busy shopping area near Capitola Mall, authorities said.

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Since: May 08

Houston, TX

#2 Dec 22, 2009
No flight? Must have had an insurance card !
Five Oh

Mesa, AZ

#3 Dec 23, 2009
Guaranteed the bicyclist blow a stop light and got creamed.
Reality Check

San Jose, CA

#4 Dec 23, 2009
Time to review the Life Flight criteria. Emergency flight over the hill, or meander to Dominican without lights/sirens. Non-sequiter.
Mike

United States

#5 Dec 23, 2009
Why??????
Would you call for a helicopter when all the guy needed was a band aid . Plus I ride my bike all over Santa Cruz and my head is constantly turning to see who is around. If you watch how people just don't look around on there bikes alot of times its there fault not the driver of the car. When I was a kid they taught you to Stop look and listen, even though the pedistrian has the right of way that wont do you any good if you are daed. So the answer is simple keep looking around and be a RESPONSIBLE bike rider. The life you save just might be yours
nickle

Felton, CA

#6 Dec 23, 2009
Yep, it's final now....the bicyclist is at fault. You people make me sick. Get back in your prius and get hit by a semi truck.
Mojo95062

United States

#7 Dec 23, 2009
nickle wrote:
Yep, it's final now....the bicyclist is at fault. You people make me sick. Get back in your prius and get hit by a semi truck.
On one hand, we could wait for the police report to come out before we succumb to the blight of speculation. Which in turn leads to finger pointing. Which leads to...

On the other hand, one must wonder if there is a village somewhere that has filed a missing person report.
Spirit of giving

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Dec 23, 2009
Mike wrote:
Why??????
Would you call for a helicopter when all the guy needed was a band aid . Plus I ride my bike all over Santa Cruz and my head is constantly turning to see who is around. If you watch how people just don't look around on there bikes alot of times its there fault not the driver of the car. When I was a kid they taught you to Stop look and listen, even though the pedistrian has the right of way that wont do you any good if you are daed. So the answer is simple keep looking around and be a RESPONSIBLE bike rider. The life you save just might be yours
Thank you for being an aware and responsible bike rider. Might not protect you completely but we've all seen the riders who take enormous chances and ignore traffic rules. Wish pedestrians would get ticketed if they just march into a crosswalk without pausing - I walk a lot and always pause 1) because I don't want to die for my "right of way" and 2) because you pause or stop at a crossing and see if it's clear - just like if you're on a bike, motorcycle, or in a car.

Since: May 09

Santa Cruz

#9 Dec 23, 2009
nickle wrote:
Yep, it's final now....the bicyclist is at fault...
Considering how many bicyclists we have in this town that chose to disobey traffic laws, it is easy to come to that conclusion. I am both a bicyclist and I have been hit as well by a motor vehicle who didn't yield my legal right of way (for which he got three tickets), but I also drive. Often I have been lucky to miss hitting bicyclists because they come out of nowhere, riding the wrong way on the street or on the sidewalks, at night, with no lights and/or running stop signs and lights with no apparent care. That there are not bicyclists killed daily in this town is a testimony to either our generally amazingly aware drivers or a huge army of guardian angels watching out for these stupid bicyclists.
bikeunit

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Dec 23, 2009
The Westsider wrote:
<quoted text> Considering how many bicyclists we have in this town that chose to disobey traffic laws, it is easy to come to that conclusion. I am both a bicyclist and I have been hit as well by a motor vehicle who didn't yield my legal right of way (for which he got three tickets), but I also drive. Often I have been lucky to miss hitting bicyclists because they come out of nowhere, riding the wrong way on the street or on the sidewalks, at night, with no lights and/or running stop signs and lights with no apparent care. That there are not bicyclists killed daily in this town is a testimony to either our generally amazingly aware drivers or a huge army of guardian angels watching out for these stupid bicyclists.
Considering how many cars we have in this town that chose to disobey traffic laws, it is easy to come to the conclusion that it was the cars drivers fault. I ride my bike 300 miles a week and look, listen, and stop, yet I've had so many close calls with cars speeding, passing over the double yellow{coming at me},not stopping at stop signs,intentionally trying to run me off of the road,and passing me yards from the intersection where they throw on there signal and cut me off that I have lost track. Cyclist have a right to the road just as much as the drivers who don't care if they break the law or hurt someone. If drivers want to keep acting that way then they should be ready for the outcome they deserve.
bikeunit

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Dec 23, 2009
The Westsider wrote:
<quoted text> Considering how many bicyclists we have in this town that chose to disobey traffic laws, it is easy to come to that conclusion. I am both a bicyclist and I have been hit as well by a motor vehicle who didn't yield my legal right of way (for which he got three tickets), but I also drive. Often I have been lucky to miss hitting bicyclists because they come out of nowhere, riding the wrong way on the street or on the sidewalks, at night, with no lights and/or running stop signs and lights with no apparent care. That there are not bicyclists killed daily in this town is a testimony to either our generally amazingly aware drivers or a huge army of guardian angels watching out for these stupid bicyclists.
It would be easy to make that exact case against drivers it's just they break different rules and are driving a vehicle that could kill someone much more than a bicycle. How many cyclist have recently killed someone while riding there bike? How many people have been killed by cars recently? I think that pretty much makes your idea of amazingly aware drivers utterly ridiculous.
old timer

Fremont, CA

#12 Dec 23, 2009
Back-up on 41st. Leave it to the DOT to be working on the roads during the holidays. They did it during Thanksgiving and now during the Christmas holidays. Good show people, what are you thinking.

Since: Sep 08

Seattle, WA

#13 Dec 23, 2009
a report with _slightly_ more detail:

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci...

Since: May 09

Santa Cruz

#14 Dec 24, 2009
bikeunit wrote:
<quoted text> How many cyclist have recently killed someone while riding there bike? How many people have been killed by cars recently? I think that pretty much makes your idea of amazingly aware drivers utterly ridiculous.
Of the three fatalities that come to mind (two on Mission @ Bay and the one on East Cliff) there were no charges filed against the drivers involved in the fatalities. There is only so much a driver can do to be defensive against unaware, self-righteous and/or inattentive bicyclists. As for bicyclists causing damage, I have almost been mowed down while crossing streets on foot, in the crosswalk, when I had the right of way by bicyclists running red lights or stop signs. Maybe it wouldn't have killed me but this kind of anti-social behavior does not help bicyclists' cause.

I am not saying there are no bad drivers in this town either, far from it. Nobody should be endangering other people. Period. As a pedestrian, bicyclists and driver I have seen a lot more careless bicyclists than car drivers overall.

Since: Sep 08

Seattle, WA

#15 Dec 25, 2009
Did the police ever find the driver of the truck involved in the accident on East Cliff?
The Westsider wrote:
<quoted text>
Of the three fatalities that come to mind (two on Mission @ Bay and the one on East Cliff) there were no charges filed against the drivers involved in the fatalities.
bikeunit

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Jan 12, 2010
The Westsider wrote:
<quoted text>
Of the three fatalities that come to mind (two on Mission @ Bay and the one on East Cliff) there were no charges filed against the drivers involved in the fatalities. There is only so much a driver can do to be defensive against unaware, self-righteous and/or inattentive bicyclists. As for bicyclists causing damage, I have almost been mowed down while crossing streets on foot, in the crosswalk, when I had the right of way by bicyclists running red lights or stop signs. Maybe it wouldn't have killed me but this kind of anti-social behavior does not help bicyclists' cause.
I am not saying there are no bad drivers in this town either, far from it. Nobody should be endangering other people. Period. As a pedestrian, bicyclists and driver I have seen a lot more careless bicyclists than car drivers overall.
You need to get out more. Plain and simple, and stop paying so much attention to the cyclist when it's the car drivers that kill a lot more people. Speed kills.Many drivers are in a hurry and as so are driving offensively...they are in a hurry!

Since: Jan 10

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Jan 12, 2010
bikeunit wrote:
<quoted text> You need to get out more. Plain and simple, and stop paying so much attention to the cyclist when it's the car drivers that kill a lot more people. Speed kills.Many drivers are in a hurry and as so are driving offensively...they are in a hurry!
Yep, you're absolutely right about people being in a hurry, in fact, let me share my favorite quote from John Myslin, the bike rider who got "pancaked" at Mission and Bay:

Quoted John:

"Old cantilevers brakes are not too good, but brakes are not that important to me--speed is."
bikeunit

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 Jan 25, 2010
X Kyuzmi wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, you're absolutely right about people being in a hurry, in fact, let me share my favorite quote from John Myslin, the bike rider who got "pancaked" at Mission and Bay:
Quoted John:
"Old cantilevers brakes are not too good, but brakes are not that important to me--speed is."
wow , that is so amazing geez who whoda thunk.I guess that explains why there are so many deaths cause by auto drivers, and why one bike fool who got pancaked!Lol p.s how about all those speeding drivers that crashed on 17 over the last week or so?
slowpoke

Sumner, WA

#19 Jan 25, 2010
bikeunit wrote:
<quoted text> wow , that is so amazing geez who whoda thunk.I guess that explains why there are so many deaths cause by auto drivers, and why one bike fool who got pancaked!Lol p.s how about all those speeding drivers that crashed on 17 over the last week or so?
Your grasp of basic physics is entertaining, but irrelevant. Of course cars kill more people...they're bigger, heavier, go faster and cause more damage than a toy. But your argument does nothing to say which has a higher percentage of irresponsible drivers/riders....that's just classic bike-supremist obfuscation.

No doubt there is a much higher percentage of bikes who do not obey traffic laws than cars....no question. To even suggest otherwise strips you of any credibility.

Speaking of credibility...156,00 miles a year on your bike?

Since: Sep 08

Rohnert Park, CA

#20 Jan 25, 2010
About half of car-bike collisions are the fault of the driver and about half are the fault of the cyclist in all the statistics that I've seen... including local statistics

http://www.scsextra.com/story.php...
slowpoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Your grasp of basic physics is entertaining, but irrelevant. Of course cars kill more people...they're bigger, heavier, go faster and cause more damage than a toy. But your argument does nothing to say which has a higher percentage of irresponsible drivers/riders....that's just classic bike-supremist obfuscation.
No doubt there is a much higher percentage of bikes who do not obey traffic laws than cars....no question. To even suggest otherwise strips you of any credibility.
Speaking of credibility...156,00 miles a year on your bike?
slowpoke

Sumner, WA

#21 Jan 26, 2010
nocklebeast wrote:
About half of car-bike collisions are the fault of the driver and about half are the fault of the cyclist in all the statistics that I've seen... including local statistics
http://www.scsextra.com/story.php...
<quoted text>
Hmmm. I just looked at those local statistics and it seems to confirm exactly what I wrote....that bikes are unquestionably more at fault than cars in Santa Cruz.

Here's the data you provided:

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Bicycle vs. vehicle injuries, 2004

Capitola: 18 injuries. Cyclist's fault for 12, driver for 3, and unknown for 3.

Santa Cruz: 57 injuries. Cyclist's fault for 24, driver for 19, and unknown for 13.

Watsonville: 16 injuries. Cyclist's fault for 10, driver for 6.

Scotts Valley: 3 injuries. Cyclist's fault for 2, driver for 2.

Unincorporated county: 46 injuries. Fault was on biker for 19, driver for 24, and unknown for 2.
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To summarize:

Total car vs. bike injuries for 2004 - 140
Total Bicycle at fault - 67
Total car at fault - 54
Undetermined - 18

(I know the numbers add up to one short of the total...but these are the figures provided)

67 found to be the fault of the bike, while 54 found to be the fault of the car. I'll dismiss the undetermined, which is fair to both sides.

Clearly, bikes are more likely to be at fault in Santa Cruz county than cars in bike vs. car accidents.

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