Santa Cruz bar owners named in wrongf...

Santa Cruz bar owners named in wrongful death suit: Mother of UCSC student says proprietors, land...

There are 183 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Nov 21, 2010, titled Santa Cruz bar owners named in wrongful death suit: Mother of UCSC student says proprietors, land.... In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Owners of a Westside pub and their landlord will ask a judge to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit brought by the mother of a 21-year-old UC Santa Cruz student who was ejected from the bar after a night of heavy drinking.

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Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Nov 21, 2010
oh yeah, this makes perfect sense. why not sue whoever installed the railroad tracks too since no doubt they had something to do with his death.

sorry for the loss of your kid lady. but grow up. hope this gets thrown out.

Santa Cruz, CA

#2 Nov 21, 2010
Misplaced anger and gold-digging. Blaming the bar is ridiculous. I have been there before and it is definitely not a "drink-and-drown" type of establishment. Bev should accept the fact that her son made a few bad decisions, with the worst possible outcome. He was an adult who made choices. Leave it at that.
Just sayin

Stockton, CA

#4 Nov 21, 2010
Sorry, Mom, but your grief is not an excuse for placing fault with others... when your too-young son made bad choices and decisions that night, he was, in fact, 100% responsible for the tragic consequences. Like too many other very devastated parents, you need to move on, and Benjamin would probably concur.
If you really cared

Union City, CA

#5 Nov 21, 2010
A nurse with experience in drug and alcohol treatment...I see how this works. If you make a lot of noise about other people not taking responsibility for the actions of your son, then maybe people won't see who failed him the most by not teaching him about the abuse of alcohol.

Since: May 08

Pacifica, CA

#6 Nov 21, 2010
Yeah a rail from the track came up and whacked him the head...Ive never believed the explanation. Bet the locals that frequent the bar have the REAL answer.
Money wont bring him back

Cordova, TN

#7 Nov 21, 2010
Very sad story, and very sad to see you have lost your son. But no amount of money will ever bring back a life. If it wasn't that bar he was at, it would have been another one. It was a tragic accident. Let it be that.

United States

#8 Nov 21, 2010
Another frivolous lawsuit that we all pay for in the end.

Pittsburg, CA

#9 Nov 21, 2010
what ever happened to personal responsibility?

Soquel, CA

#10 Nov 21, 2010
Tragic that a 21-year-old lost his life. Has to be very painful for the mother to get the news the way her son died. My guess: From his photo, he looked like a good guy. But after too many beers, he probably got either too rowdy or too loud. The owner probably told him to settle down, or he might have simply asked him to leave. Not wanting to leave, or settle down, the patron got in to a scuffle with the bar owner. The owner pins him down telling him he's got to settle down and leave. After a couple of minutes, the owner lets him up and the patron leaves. Does the mother claim the owner should have called a taxi for her son? Well, I doubt her agitated son would have waited around for a taxi. Further more I'm sure the owner would have no legal right to try and detain the patron until a taxi arrived. I'm sorry for a mother's loss.

Edmond, OK

#11 Nov 21, 2010
wasting people and the county's time and money on frivilous lawsuit. bad on top of bad. bad. bad adults.


#12 Nov 21, 2010
can we just lock this mother up and put a gag order on her--as an insurance agent this is why our rates are so high I can't stress enough that a person should be responsible for its own actions ohh and im sure the owner of the almar center was pouring down drinks down his throat///one word///REDICULOUS
Mr Ed

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Nov 21, 2010
Suing the pub landlord??? Now that sort of reveals the true agenda.
Public Option Supporter

Vallejo, CA

#14 Nov 21, 2010
UCSC provides a course for all incoming students, which is mandatory, teaching them about the hazards of alcohol abuse. Parents are also educated about the problem of alcohol at college, through information provided on a web page: . This mom's son knew or should have known how to avoid the situation that ultimately led to his death. It's sad, but it was avoidable by the student. But, the old saying still holds: "You can lead a student to Euclid, but you can't make him think."

Palo Alto, CA

#15 Nov 21, 2010
Sorry for your grief, mom. The truth is your adult son engaged in alcohol fueled stupidity. The responsibility is on his shoulders. Please get through the denial and the "my son is a victim" mode. He did a dumb think of his own free will.

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Nov 21, 2010
Lawsuit bad.
Bad investigation worse.
Mr J of Phoenix

Tempe, AZ

#17 Nov 21, 2010
This looks like an easy way to get quick bucks. One question: How many other bar patrons were restrained that night? If none, throw the suit out. Bartenders don't just roam the floor looking for people to 'assault'. There was a reason why this young buck had to be held down.

I too am surprised Union Pacific isn't named in the suit. They supplied the rail that was the cause of the injury. Been waiting in that spot since the early 1880's to do the deed.
you think

Berwyn, IL

#18 Nov 21, 2010
The 3 bar owners are great guys. I have known them for 8 plus yrs. The problem is that all 3 get hammered while at work. So it is very easy to see something like this. I also know that it IS a drink & drown type bar. Again, I know the 3 owners & I know they do not care about overpouring. That is fact. On the other hand, the kids that died, did so due to his inability to handle an adult activitey. I feel sorry for the mother...

Charleston, WV

#19 Nov 21, 2010
Ever hear of Dram Shop Acts? This is not unusual, and is a way to ensure that bar owners do not serve the inebriated, thus posing a safety risk to us all....
Follow the money

Millbrae, CA

#20 Nov 21, 2010
Sue Union Pacific? It's broke. Sue the city? Too much red tape, and too little motivation to roll over and pay out since it has a paid city attorney with free time. Hunt down and sue the dispensary or dealer who provided the student with pot? Too much trouble. Sue the bar? Hey, might work. Sue the landlord who had absolutely no involvement, but does obviously have property and substantial liability coverage from an insurer likely to roll over with an out-of-court settlement? Bingo!

Capitola, CA

#21 Nov 21, 2010
How about instead bestowing the always posthumous Darwin Awards on this guy, or at least nominate him.

Snake attorneys looking for money, and on this one they'll hope for a settlement. If someone starts a drinkin', it's they own it. If they get out of control and get bounced, the bouncer is doing his job.

There is no justification for this. Drunk dude was an idiot that night. UCSC students partying are often idiots.

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