Arana Gulch plan not dead yet: Coastal Commissioner Stone wants project reconsidered

The city's failed plans for Arana Gulch may get another chance. After the California Coastal Commission on Thursday rejected the city's bid to put trails in the 68-acre greenbelt, Commissioner Mark Stone of Santa Cruz County, who was on the losing end of the vote, wants the commission to reconsider, and he's trying to make that happen. Full Story
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Swim

Watsonville, CA

#1 Oct 16, 2010
Why is something so beautiful always on the menu for some development?

What part of NO does Mr. Stone and his peer group not understand?

I said don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Joni Mitchell
Knock it Off

Santa Cruz, CA

#2 Oct 16, 2010
Stone, go back to Scotts Valley where you belong. We don't need another freak progressive around here, we have enough.

Since: Jan 10

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Oct 16, 2010
Swim wrote:
Why is something so beautiful always on the menu for some development?
What part of NO does Mr. Stone and his peer group not understand?
I said don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Joni Mitchell
I would suggest that you read the City's Master Plan for Arana Gulch to help you understand "why". In my opinion, the permeable concrete or asphalt surface is not "development", but instead, will act as a protective hard coated water permeable surface to stop the destruction and erosion of the land that is being caused by human use (yes, this includes "everyone" who sets foot in Arana Gulch). Further erosion and protection will be managed by closing off unauthorized trails that intrude upon and lead into sensitive habitat areas that have been created by humans and animals over time. Bridges will be installed at key points to allow access points which will also protect sensitive areas and habitats, minimizing the erosion of slopes and banks on the land. I'll leave understanding the ADA issues related to the protective path to you.

And yes, another goal of this project is, as it should be, to encourage broader access and appreciation of the Arana Gulch by our entire community, while doing all that we can to minimize the impacts and restore the sensitve habitat areas. Keep in mind, I'm writing a very simplistic overview of the comprehensive plan, but I would encourage people, both for and against, to find a copy of the Master Plan online and really "read" it..I think its a good plan, and deserves to be approved.

That said, I truly appreciate the efforts of Commissioner Stone to ask for a re-examination of the plan. I think no matter what side of the issue you find yourself on, this is too important to the future of Santa Cruz and future land use issues to leave sitting with a 5-5 draw.
Mi Dos Pesos

Santa Cruz, CA

#4 Oct 16, 2010
I understand that Bonnie Neely, who supported the plan, was barred from voting because her plane landed late?
burken

Monterey, CA

#5 Oct 16, 2010
X Kyuzmi said...
find a copy of the Master Plan online and really "read" it

you mean :)
http://www.cityofsantacruz.com/index.aspx...

I'm tentatively OK with the plan; wish they didn't have interpretive displays though.
Richard Curtis

Ben Lomond, CA

#6 Oct 16, 2010
Leave Arana Gulch alone. Don't mess it up with paved trails. Please! The California Coastal Commission exists for a very good reason.
Leave It Already

United States

#7 Oct 16, 2010
Geez - can't we just leave this area alone? So wonderful and rare just the way it is! Reminds me of some of those fields I used to walk thru as a kid - nothing paved - basically untouched. Rare.
Violette Little

Oakland, CA

#8 Oct 16, 2010
Although the plan has some good ideas, the challenge is that we, the people, want our foot prints, bicycle tire prints and ,yes, our litter, our dog's poop everywhere.

Just let this plan rest, until we, the people, are get our act together & clean up our behavior.

Just let Arana Gulch be! Also let's clean it up!

Mark Stone's footprints are all over the place. He has plenty of other projects on his plate. How come he is on the Coast Commission?
jones

Santa Cruz, CA

#9 Oct 16, 2010
Let's pave everything, NOW.
curious

San Francisco, CA

#10 Oct 16, 2010
interpretive signs...why do we need the city to spend money to "interpret" anything in Arana Gulch for us?? A person can go there, and find there own meaning, learn what they feel like learning, bring a book, binoculars, observe, etc... A few 2X3 placards with generic descriptions of "red tailed hawk" are not needed. Go, observe the hawk.

City: stop spending money. Leave Arana as it is. We don't want your concrete/bridges/lighting/tras h cans/emergency phones/interpretive displays/.......

leave it be...

Since: Jan 10

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Oct 16, 2010
jones wrote:
Let's pave everything, NOW.
Ok...what's your adress? LOL!
Stone cold fact

AOL

#12 Oct 16, 2010
Supervisor Stone: Your initial objections to Arane Gulch project encouraged opponents and fellow Coastal Commission members to continue trying to kill the plan. Backing it now is a bit like trying to unscrable an egg. For those who might have forgotten, here's a March 11 web posting by the Friends of Arana Gulch - who led the effort to keep the area a safe refuge for illegal campers, drug dealers and gangbangers:

March 11 Coastal Commission Hearing

COASTAL COMMISSION VOTES UNANIMOUSLY
TO CONTINUE DECISION ON ARANA GULCH MASTER PLAN!

Commissioner Mark Stone made the motion, saying, "We would like to give this project another shot and look to see if there is any alternative that satisfies the commission."

Stone and a majority of other commissioners indicated they would vote against the project as proposed because they believed it was clearly a transportation project made to look like a conservation plan.

Since: Jan 10

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Oct 16, 2010
Violette Little wrote:
Although the plan has some good ideas, the challenge is that we, the people, want our foot prints, bicycle tire prints and ,yes, our litter, our dog's poop everywhere.
Just let this plan rest, until we, the people, are get our act together & clean up our behavior.
Just let Arana Gulch be! Also let's clean it up!
Mark Stone's footprints are all over the place. He has plenty of other projects on his plate. How come he is on the Coast Commission?
Although I'm a supporter of the "plan", I also agree with your opinion and ideas. On a personal note, I like walking and cycling, but I don't go into the gulch or even use the trail because I realize that when I do (even more so on my bike) I'm contributing to the erosion of a sensitive habitat area...with a protective pathway, I could do that without creating additional impacts....I fully understand, it's a tradeoff putting in a pathway, but it's for the betterment of the land in the long run....but absolutely, closing it off in it's entirety, restoring and protecting would also be a good option in my opinion...p.s. love your comment about us humans "getting our acts together"....yeah it's about time!
Greenerup

San Leandro, CA

#14 Oct 16, 2010
Mr. Stone, you have just lost a supporter and active campaigner for your future campaigns.
Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Any future plans to dissect Arana Gulch with a transportation project will be met with much more opposition and resolve.
Guaranteed.
Reason

Daly City, CA

#15 Oct 16, 2010
Let's be realistic. For all intents and purposes, it's a city park. People live here, so use the area responsibly. Preserve the wild areas. Conserve within city parks.
Svenhilda

Oakley, CA

#16 Oct 16, 2010
Stone's making deals with commissioners. And pandering to his voting base. Politics, politics, politics. Oh, and posturing, too.
Scotts Valley Sarah

Oakley, CA

#17 Oct 16, 2010
Knock it Off wrote:
Stone, go back to Scotts Valley where you belong. We don't need another freak progressive around here, we have enough.
No! We don't want him here either! He's made a mess of the 5th district.
Eddie Enviro

Oakley, CA

#18 Oct 16, 2010
X Kyuzmi wrote:
<quoted text>
... concrete or asphalt surface is not "development", but instead, will act as a protective hard coated water permeable surface to stop the destruction and erosion of the land that is being caused by human use
Oh my dog! Can you hear yourself? Only in Santa Cruz would the once-environmental-wingnut change the mantra to "concrete and asphalt is not development, it's a protective hard coating"

So funny, I spit my coffee!!
Beenherelongtime

Santa Cruz, CA

#19 Oct 16, 2010
Wish the city would stop wasting time and money on this unnecessary issue, its not a priority and is not needed.
Let it go. SC doesn't need anymore cement or pavement over unpaved areas.

"concrete and asphalt is not development, it's a protective hard coating"

That just maybe one of the more stupid things I have yet to ever read in these forums.
I all most lost my coffee too.
Reality Check

United States

#20 Oct 16, 2010
X Kyuzmi wrote:
<quoted text>
I would suggest that you read the City's Master Plan for Arana Gulch to help you understand "why". In my opinion, the permeable concrete or asphalt surface is not "development", but instead, will act as a protective hard coated water permeable surface to stop the destruction and erosion of the land that is being caused by human use (yes, this includes "everyone" who sets foot in Arana Gulch). Further erosion and protection will be managed by closing off unauthorized trails that intrude upon and lead into sensitive habitat areas that have been created by humans and animals over time. Bridges will be installed at key points to allow access points which will also protect sensitive areas and habitats, minimizing the erosion of slopes and banks on the land. I'll leave understanding the ADA issues related to the protective path to you.
And yes, another goal of this project is, as it should be, to encourage broader access and appreciation of the Arana Gulch by our entire community, while doing all that we can to minimize the impacts and restore the sensitve habitat areas. Keep in mind, I'm writing a very simplistic overview of the comprehensive plan, but I would encourage people, both for and against, to find a copy of the Master Plan online and really "read" it..I think its a good plan, and deserves to be approved.
That said, I truly appreciate the efforts of Commissioner Stone to ask for a re-examination of the plan. I think no matter what side of the issue you find yourself on, this is too important to the future of Santa Cruz and future land use issues to leave sitting with a 5-5 draw.
Interesting in theory, but I don't see it in implementation. How does one 'close off unauthorized trails'? Unless they're going to fence the entire path, people can and will go off of it. Increasing access and use will not decrease impact. If this passes, I predict more trash, more intrusion (transients), and Heroin Hill East. Look at Pogonip for an example of the latter.

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