Water park, Santa Claus struggle over...

Water park, Santa Claus struggle over $10M project

There are 38 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 5, 2007, titled Water park, Santa Claus struggle over $10M project. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

With the holidays approaching, this southern Indiana town named for a jolly old elf is anything but jolly.

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Teddy

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Nov 5, 2007
It's incredible; none of the nearby towns to Santa Claus World would even exist without the theme park. The area is not exactly a hot-bed of manufacturing or technology! I would think doubling the residential water bill would be a welcome exchange.
Dave

Forest, IN

#2 Nov 5, 2007
"Water park, Santa Claus struggle over $10M project"
What a goofy headline!
Wow Santa Claus

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Nov 5, 2007
The Koch family has been so good to Spencer county...the first post hit it right on the nose. I think they've forgotten why people go to Santa Claus! Folks, it's not for the Christmas lights anymore. It's for Holiday World.

The Kochs have made Santa Claus into a world-class destination, noted for outstanding customer service and friendliness. The park provides jobs to so many in the area.

Who keeps the stores open? Visitors to Holiday World. Why tax tickets when some of that money won't even go to Santa Claus but to other government entities?

Good for you Will Koch for standing up for this. Maybe you have been so nice all these years that people mistake you for a sucker.
Roger

Duncan, OK

#4 Nov 5, 2007
I wonder how much of the "used" water from the attractions is dumped into the sewer system?

I would HOPE against hope that it's filtered and re-cycled for use within the park! Maybe THAT should be an issue for a future article?
regina

West Manchester, OH

#5 Nov 5, 2007
I love Holiday world and an extra 50 cents or even a dollar would be ok to pay to help their water issue. They save people so much money with the free drinks! We can go there for alot less than Kings ISland.
haha

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Nov 5, 2007
Lets truck the water in from GA

tks

Since: Jul 07

Evansville, IN

#7 Nov 5, 2007
Teddy wrote:
It's incredible; none of the nearby towns to Santa Claus World would even exist without the theme park. The area is not exactly a hot-bed of manufacturing or technology! I would think doubling the residential water bill would be a welcome exchange.
Ferdinand, Jasper, Huntingburg all within 25 miles of Santa Claus are nothing but factories you moron. Most of them are nationwide companies - some are international.

I bet you voted for Mitch Daniels...
Southsider

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Nov 5, 2007
Seriously, add the tax. I'll continue to go to Holiday World. Another $3 for my family is a drop in the bucket when you compare the park to any other in the region. Free soft drinks, free parking, cheap food, and few lines make the park a huge value already. I'll pay more..
HoosierDaddy

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Nov 5, 2007
Good comment tks....just what I was thinking.
Nelson

United States

#10 Nov 5, 2007
Monkeys + waterslides = A winning combination!
please

Bridgeport, WV

#11 Nov 5, 2007
Southsider wrote:
Seriously, add the tax. I'll continue to go to Holiday World. Another $3 for my family is a drop in the bucket when you compare the park to any other in the region. Free soft drinks, free parking, cheap food, and few lines make the park a huge value already. I'll pay more..
I agree. If in fact the majority of this water would be used to improve the attractions at the park, then it makes sense for the park patrons to pay for that. A 50-cent tax makes sense to me. It wouldn't stop me from visiting.
Locutus

Bloomington, IN

#14 Nov 5, 2007
Roger wrote:
I wonder how much of the "used" water from the attractions is dumped into the sewer system?
I would HOPE against hope that it's filtered and re-cycled for use within the park! Maybe THAT should be an issue for a future article?
They do recycle the water as much as possible. I was on a field trip with a professional organization to visit their facilities a couple of years ago and we got the behind the scene tour of the water distribution system, filtration units and water quality monitoring stations. It is a first class operation.

I'm kind of fuzzy on the purpose of the tax. If it is to pay for water rate increases, then it would seem that Holiday World would just raise their ticket prices to cover the increase in their cost for the utility, while they pay their share of the rate increase. The key seemed to me to be that portions of the tax collected would be distributed to other government entities in Spencer County and not just the local town. Is that because the rest of the county is on the same Patoka water system that Santa Claus and Holiday World are on?
I wonder

Duncan, OK

#15 Nov 5, 2007
I wonder how much the town directly benefits from Holiday World? Seems strange to me that you are going to bite the hand that feeds you.... You know what i say,, Holiday World should create their own Water Utility and supply themselves. Dig your own well and connect into that aquifer. I wonder how much better the town's water utility bills would be if they didn't have your usage on there. Wants you get your own well and supply,,, close the connection down with the town... Maybe then they'll see how bad they need you on numerous levels
My Kids Mom

Duncan, OK

#16 Nov 5, 2007
I live in Marion County and have to pay extra taxes on venues that I don't use. I don't care if the citizens of Santa Claus have to pay an increase in taxes. I spend money on lodging, restaurants and gas in their county when we make our annual trek.
Rev Jim Ignatowsky

Reston, VA

#17 Nov 5, 2007
Holiday World is great in its current bargain status for price/value. Tack on a big tax and the numbers will decrease.
INDY-RN

Chardon, OH

#18 Nov 5, 2007
On any given day what is the population (residents + visitors) and what percentage of that are visitors to Holiday World. Chances are the new water works are needed because of Holiday World and a $.50 tax per ticket should not be a big deal to pay for it.

I can not understand why the surrounding area or the state would get any of that money? Why would that be the case?

The residents should not have to foot a bill created by Holiday Worlds need for water and is is not unreasonable for the Guest of the town and park to pay that part of their cost of being there.
Pittsboro Pete

United States

#19 Nov 5, 2007
Just do what they did in Pittsboro...PASS THE COST ON TO THE RESIDENTS!!!!

The BEST thing about living in Pittsboro, even above driving on Jeff Gordon Blvd., is the $80 monthly water bills!!! Thank you Qialitech. Thank you town council.

I love it!$80 for water and last month we couldn't even drink it due to an e-coli threat!

BTW, announcment of the threat was delayed SEVERAL hours. That's the service I look for in water that costs about $1200/year!

Last time we had a boil order, I found out via a hand-written note taped to the door at Crystal Flash!

Now I am going to fire-up the Monte Carlo and go do some donuts at the start-finish line!(AKA intersection of JG Blvd. & Wall St.)

The true sad fact of the matter is that Jeff Gordon Boulevard isn't really a boulevard. A blvd. is tree-lined with a landscaped median. JG Blvd. is just a 2-lane county road at an interstate on/off ramp, flanked by farm fields, feeding a truckstop.

If the town council thinks they can call a hill-jack farm road a boulevard, I guess that is the same mentality thay use to rationalize $80 residential water bills?

To end this all, I'd drown myslef, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD THE WATER!!!!

24!
Easy Choice

Seymour, IN

#20 Nov 5, 2007
I say if the park is the reason for the water project, the park should have to cover the expense. Go ahead and add another .50 to 1.00 on the tickets. That will not break anyones bank. Or, maybe they would prefer to start charging for drinks if you think a small tax on the tickets is wrong.

Raise it a buck and give me my free drinks and sunscreen.
Real World

United States

#21 Nov 5, 2007
Look, the entire state's water and sewer systems are in need of significant invests, not just Santa Claus Indiana.

Remember the water rationing requests this summer, remember the explosion of new ethanol plants and pig farms, remember the multi-million dollar EPA fines for municipal sewage systems dumping raw excrement into our rivers?

There is nothing sexy about investing in this type of infrastructure, however, there is a huge outcry when fire fighters don't have water to stop grass fires, huge government environmental fines arrive in the mail, bad smells drift into residential areas and businesses dry up taking jobs with them.
Elf

Schiller Park, IL

#22 Nov 5, 2007
Did anybody think that if they make it a head tax then everyone will know exactly how many folks visit the park ?? Those are numbers the Koch's should want to keep private. Hence the offer to donate a fixed sum. For the person who commented on the all the factories down there, how many have closed in the last 20 years ?? They are going away too. Meet in the middle for a "donation", but no head tax.

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