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#70410 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Ex-Jews, David Bohm and Karl Pribram, drew on the teachings of J Krishnamurti to formulate a holonic model of the human brain. Bohm was a close disciple of Krishnamurti. There's a vid in which Bohm, Sheldrake and a few others are seen listening to J Krishnamurti in an elegant living room.
Couldnt find a single reference that made a claim that Karl Pribham renounced his Jewish upringing or his religious practices.

In fact there is an entire Google page devoted to keywords "Karl Pribham" and "Jew"

For starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_A...
List of Jewish American biologists and physicians

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#70411 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Bohm - an ex Jew?
Doofus - I guess it never occurred to you that agnosticism is fully compatible with Judaism
F. David Peat (1997). Infinite Potential: The Life And Times Of David Bohm. Basic Books. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-201-32820-2. "If he identified Jewish lore and customs with his father, then this was a way he would distance himself from Samuel. By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."
The Straight Dope: Can you be an atheist and still be Jewish?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1503...

Why I am an ((Jewish)) agnostic theist
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/blog/rabbis-w...

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/90...
Modern Jewish Views.
In all essentials, modern Judaism shares the position of Maimonides. It regards all attempts at descriptive connotations of the Godhead as anthropomorphic makeshifts to find words for a thought which in reality is beyond the power of human tongue adequately to convey. God is. In Himself, He is unknowable. In so far as He is in relation to our own self, the life of Israel, the human family, and the world, He is known. Up to a certain point, then, Judaism is agnostic. It parts company with Agnosticism at the point where the certitude of our own immediate consciousness of the reality beyond the limited range of sensational experience is called into doubt. By the light of this consciousness, which is an immediate datum, by the facts of his own identity and persistency as a conscious entity in time and space—yet withal above time and space, and constituted into a moral personality by the additional data of Israel's history and the guidance of the world and humanity—the Jew, in accordance with Judaism's doctrine, draws the warrant for predicating in his faltering human language the existence of that "power not ourselves making for righteousness," paraphrasing attributes which agnostic metaphysics, in its confusion of the implications and the limitations of knowledge, refuses to admit. The Unknowable God, through the medium of human cognition, is apprehended as the God who is, and, as existing, is known by analogy and brought nearer to man by symbolism rooted in human experience and human self-consciousness

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Bohm - an ex Jew?

By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."
LOL.

Bohm, the ex-Jew, condemned Judaism as a faith teaching BS and evil.

In later years, Bohm, under the influence of J Krishnamurti, turned a monist accepting the nondual stand of consciousness constituting the reality.

Bohm and Krishnamurti constructed the holon theory of brain.

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Karl Pribram - atheist ex-Jew. Expectedly, Pribram has only contempt for Judaism. In the Krishnamurti dialogues, Pribram stated that he wished to be cremated in Eastern Mystical tradition and not buried according to Jewish rites since he had quit Judaism long ago.

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#70414 Mar 30, 2014
The ex-Jew, David Bohm, was among the closest disciple of J Krishnamurti and with the late Pupul Jaykar they formed quite an elegant team of monists/holonists. Adding intellectual weight to the team were Fritjof Capra and Rupert Sheldrake.

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#70415 Mar 30, 2014
Another big problem with Jewish organizations who make long lists of famous Jews is that they list even those Jews who have renounced Judaism as Jews (LOL!) and besides they naively list a person as Jewish if the person's mother is Jewish and father Christian or whatever. Does it make any sense to list a person as Jewish simply because his mother happens to profess Judaism? No. Ancient Jewish law thinks so. LOL. Lastly, an individual may be 1/20th Jewish in terms of ancestral faith and 19/20th non-Jewish but yet he is listed as Jewish by these brainless Jewish organizations. The science of genetics does not recognize religion as being inherited from either mom or dad or from both parents. Religion and race are superficial mental constructs. LMFAO.

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LOL.
Bohm, the ex-Jew, condemned Judaism as a faith teaching BS and evil.
In later years, Bohm, under the influence of J Krishnamurti, turned a monist accepting the nondual stand of consciousness constituting the reality.
Bohm and Krishnamurti constructed the holon theory of brain.
sources please

not that I care per se whether he considered himself a Jew or not

Its your intellectual laziness thats the issue

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#70417 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Another big problem with Jewish organizations who make long lists of famous Jews is that they list even those Jews who have renounced Judaism as Jews (LOL!).
source please

that list was WIKI by the way, not exactly a jewish source, not that it matters

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#70418 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
The ex-Jew, David Bohm,.
source please

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sources please

not that I care per se whether he considered himself a Jew or not

Its your intellectual laziness thats the issue
Old monthly newsletters of the J Krishnamurti Foundation. Available in print form as a book.

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According to the ancient religions, God is unnameable, incomprehensible, a power that works within the universe as the universe exists within God. According to renown Physicist David Bohm:

“Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of
unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly “inanimate” matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a “protointelligence” in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm’s ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain “could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two — matter and spirit — is an abstraction. The ground is always one.”(Quoted in Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, HarperCollins, New York, 1991, p. 271.)’

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#70421 Mar 30, 2014
Oneness (echad)

Sounds pretty darn theologically Jewish to me

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#70422 Mar 30, 2014
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Old monthly newsletters of the J Krishnamurti Foundation. Available in print form as a book.
cite the precise reference please

no room for sloppiness here

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David Bohm is a monist thinker of the Vedanta school. The holon theory of brain working that he developed in association with his guru, J Krishnamurti, dates back to the Upanishads. The Upanishads, in turn, drew on the idea of the holon from the mystical observations of the seers of the Rig Veda.

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cite the precise reference please

no room for sloppiness here
The book is edited by Pupul Jaykar and is a publication of the J Krishnamurti Foundation.

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David Bohm:

“Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly “inanimate” matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a “protointelligence” in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm’s ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain “could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two — matter and spirit — is an abstraction. The ground is always one.”

(Quoted in Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, HarperCollins, New York, 1991, p. 271.)’
Pure Vedantic view that in its ultimate essence is nondual but is holonic in the cosmic manifestation.

Bohm got the idea from his guru, J Krishnamurti.

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#70427 Mar 30, 2014
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The book is edited by Pupul Jaykar and is a publication of the J Krishnamurti Foundation.
give me enough that i can find it in a library. Include the page numbers where he renounces Judaism.

I am not arguing his monism. I am asking you back up your statement "ex Jew".

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#70428 Mar 30, 2014
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Pure Vedantic view that in its ultimate essence is nondual but is holonic in the cosmic manifestation.
Bohm got the idea from his guru, J Krishnamurti.
Show me where he renounced Judaism

that was your claim

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#70429 Mar 30, 2014
again, I could care less if in fact, he did renounce Judaism

My issue is with your intellectual honesty

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VEDANTA teaches that Consciousness of Energy (Chit Shakti), which exceeds space, time and causation (desh-kaal-nimith) is the Ultimate Reality and that this consciousness of energy is essentially nondual in nature in which there's no I or you, no thou or they. It's simply one unified field of the consciousness of energy. However, Vedanta asserts that this unified field manifests as holons when it puts forth its conscious energy to form the universes. J Krishnamurti is simply repeating the old Vedanta ideas and transmitted the same to his disciples.

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