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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67981 Feb 22, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I see you kept that post to 3 lines (as per Rick's recommendation)

Good boy!
Hi there.

ha ha ha

I've come to the end of my researches in mind-matter using yogic experience and scientific evidences.

I am in touch with leading mind-matter researchers and with some mainstream scientists in this regard.

The mainstream scientists (though they lack the most crucial thing which is yogic experiences) are more in tune with the reality than the psi researchers like Sheldrake, Radin, Chopra, Lipton and others.

You can stick to Torah.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67982 Feb 22, 2014
The psi researchers like Sheldrake, Radin, Chopra, Lipton and others lack incisive intellectual arguments on the matter of sentience and have zero yogic experience. So, they're losers on both fronts. Fritjof Capra is a bit different when compared to the crackpots mentioned above since he's both a trained particle physicist and has some exposure to a direct yogic experience which completely transformed his life.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67983 Feb 22, 2014
J Krishnamurti, the mentor of Bohm, Sheldrake and Capra, was the biggest fraud in the field of philosophy in the 20th century.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67984 Feb 22, 2014
Consciousness is closely tied to electrical activity if it is not a direct manifestation of electricity that acts in various stages of material organization.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67985 Feb 22, 2014
The gay nurse (Rick) with an IQ of 30 can now slip back into his tights as the shabbat has ended. LOL.
Gray

Powhatan, VA

#67986 Feb 22, 2014
E23Jer34 wrote:
The self chosen ones.
I ment to respond to your comment re: the Bible's veracity etc but can't find it.

"The Bible" is only a compilation of stories that were passed around, verbally for hundreds of years before a few were cherry picked and put to writing by ancient Hebrew scribes with the typical bias endemic to all mythologies.

The are far more Extra-Biblical documents recording the Regional History in which "Israel" is rarely or never mentioned.

“IN ANCIENT EGYPT, CANAAN REVISITED WITHOUT ISRAEL”

http://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/in-a...

EXCERPT "In his article “Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho“, appearing in Ha’aretz (29 October 1999), Ze’ev Herzog calls the mention of Israel on the stele a reference to “population group of nomads” who most probably were always on the move, looking for fertile land to herd their animals. In the article Herzog concludes.

“Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out:

The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, and we did not conquer the land.

Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon.

Did you know that Egypt is mentioned in the Holy Bible approximately 700 times (Egypt: 595 times, Egyptian(s): 120 times).

Israelites were mentioned in the ancient Egyptian records once or … maybe none at all."CONTINUED

All of the Ancient Mid East Mythologies aggrandized their military prowess, building projects Glorified Heros. I’ve seen Assyrian reliefs in which the King has his foot on his opponent’s throat, Egyptian Kings were portrayed in larger size than his soldiers and the Hebrews were no different in their claims to mystical, overblown glory and heroic victories even to this day.

It is only because the Romans chose Christianity with its Judaic roots that Judaism is as widespread as it is today.

Israel would be non existent without Colonial Power meddling and US Military and financial aid.

The McMahone agreement is among the many ways in which the Native Arabs were defrauded and are, today, justifiably resentful:

“The McMahon Agreement”
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mcmahon....
EXCERPT “The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land.

The McMahon-Hussein Agreement seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. CONTINUED

The fruits of Colonial meddling and America’s $ Trillions has resulted in a Genocidal entity that is not even a State and has been found guilty of Genocide via its own State Policy:

“Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-plan-dal...

EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.” CONTINUED

“The UN did NOT create Israel”
http://alisonweir.org/journal/2013/9/18/the-u...

EXCERPT “Please see an article on this, "New States Are Not Created in the UN". Below is an excerpt:
"...was it true that Israel owed its very existence to the U.N., as it became popularly ”CONTINUED

For America’s Trillions of dollars and sacrifice of thousands of US lives, we get a Genocidal, little entity with its roots in Nazi Complicity.
“THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT”
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Zionist_no...
Gray

Powhatan, VA

#67987 Feb 22, 2014
E23Jer34 wrote:
The self chosen ones.
On which thread did you post your question Re: the Bible's veracity, Israel's legitimacy and Zionist criminality?
Gray

Powhatan, VA

#67988 Feb 22, 2014
E23Jer34 wrote:
The self chosen ones.
This was the response I mentioned:

"The Bible" is only a compilation of stories that were passed around, verbally for hundreds of years before a few were cherry picked and put to writing by ancient Hebrew scribes with the typical bias endemic to all mythologies.

The are far more Extra-Biblical documents recording the Regional History in which "Israel" is rarely or never mentioned.

“IN ANCIENT EGYPT, CANAAN REVISITED WITHOUT ISRAEL”

http://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/in-a...

EXCERPT "In his article “Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho“, appearing in Ha’aretz (29 October 1999), Ze’ev Herzog calls the mention of Israel on the stele a reference to “population group of nomads” who most probably were always on the move, looking for fertile land to herd their animals. In the article Herzog concludes.

“Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out:

The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, and we did not conquer the land.

Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon.

Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn’t want to hear about it.”

Did you know that Egypt is mentioned in the Holy Bible approximately 700 times (Egypt: 595 times, Egyptian(s): 120 times).

Israelites were mentioned in the ancient Egyptian records once or … maybe none at all."CONTINUED

All of the Ancient Mid East Mythologies aggrandized their military prowess, building projects Glorified Heros. I’ve seen Assyrian reliefs in which the King has his foot on his opponent’s throat, Egyptian Kings were portrayed in larger size than his soldiers and the Hebrews were no different in their claims to mystical, overblown glory and heroic victories even to this day.

It is only because the Romans chose Christianity with its Judaic roots that Judaism is as widespread as it is today.

Israel would be non existent without Colonial Power meddling and US Military and financial aid.

The McMahone agreement is among the many ways in which the Native Arabs were defrauded and are, today, justifiably resentful:

“The McMahon Agreement”
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mcmahon....
EXCERPT “The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land.

The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. CONTINUED

The fruits of Colonial meddling and America’s $ Trillions has resulted in a Genocidal entity that is not even a State and has been found guilty of Genocide via its own State Policy:

“Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-plan-dal...

EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.” CONTINUED

“The UN did NOT create Israel”
http://alisonweir.org/journal/2013/9/18/the-u...

EXCERPT “Please see an article on this, "New States Are Not Created in the UN". Below is an excerpt:

For America’s Trillions of dollars and sacrifice of thousands of US lives, we get a Genocidal, little entity with its roots in Nazi Complicity.
“THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT”
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Zionist_no...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67990 Feb 22, 2014
DOER AND WITNESS = EXCITED STATE AND GROUND STATE

The brain-em generated consciousness has a dual aspect - one is its exteriorized state which involves itself in observing/participating in outside events or in getting involved with bodily functions, while the other part of consciousness stays back and watches from behind.

These are the dual modes of operation of the consciousness generated in the brain which could correspond to two different frequencies of em waves in the brain - one, the excited state which corresponds to the frontal consciousness, the other the ground state which is equivalent to the witnessing poise of consciousness. With practice, one can identify with the witnessing part of consciousness and remain in a state of stato-dynamic peace, while the frontal aspect can involve itself in its usual activities and be controlled by the former, if need arises.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#67993 Feb 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi there.
ha ha ha
I've come to the end of my researches in mind-matter using yogic experience and scientific evidences.
I am in touch with leading mind-matter researchers and with some mainstream scientists in this regard.
The mainstream scientists (though they lack the most crucial thing which is yogic experiences) are more in tune with the reality than the psi researchers like Sheldrake, Radin, Chopra, Lipton and others.
You can stick to Torah.
Look forward to reading your published results in the Journal of Applied Yogology

.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#67994 Feb 23, 2014
Storm Warning wrote:
<quoted text>
the problem is the ashkenazi are not religious hews with a direct line of descent they are from an area in Russia where their king adapted the Jewish religion to be a state within a state about 1200 years ago they have no claim at all to isreal their religion is a farce and most closely resembles the ferengi rules of acquisition. as far as intolerance they stab at the White majority with everything they have and they did 911 and everyone with half a brain knows it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kVKGRB3cyggXX
Thats exactly the issue!

Everyone else with the FULL brain thinks you are a nut case
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67997 Feb 23, 2014
FRIJOLES: Look forward to reading your published results in the Journal of Applied Yogology.

JOEL: Nah, nothing of that sort,(Dad).

I'm extremely privileged to have experienced much of the reality through yogic experiences and to know that these altered states of consciousness with concomitant paranormal phenomena exist and at the same time I am pleased with my rationality backed by scientific education/scientific evidence.

I have seen some the best that's to be seen in both these worldviews.

Now, is the time to sit back and unwind after so many years of hard work and suffering.

The conclusion that I've reached is this: The aim of life is to know the reality subjectively as well as objectively.

Subjective experiences of the reality should manifest in the physical and by making good use of the intelligence objective methods like the scientific method should be worked out in a realistic manner to give us a glimpse of the reality.

However, both these methods suffer from limitations - the subjective method can lead to bizarre interpretations and to hallucinations if not grounded in reason, while the objective method can lead to superficial conclusions based on flimsy (or incomplete) inferential data.

Even if a yogi enters the deepest state of consciousness he gets so lost in the experience of consciousness that he loses sight of the basis of consciousness which is matter, while, working with superficial data like CMB (and mathematical tools that're subject to Godel's propositions), the scientist never gets a direct glimpse of the cosmic event nor can he ever hope to replicate nature's processes like singularity (if it exists), vacuum state, Big Bang, dark energy, Higgs field, supernovae, black holes, quarks, sentience, sentient cell and the like.

So, instead of wasting the whole of life in such pursuits that're incomplete by being fanatically inclined towards any of these extreme methods - subjectivity and objectivity - the best approach is to mix both these methods after coming to some sort of definitive conclusion based on direct experiences and inferential scientific data and then to sit back and enjoy life and to make every attempt to use science and yogic experience, without obsessing on either, to uplift humankind and to usher in an era of peace at the individual and at the collective level.
E23Jer34

Tórshavn, Faroe Islands

#67998 Feb 23, 2014
Storm Warning wrote:
<quoted text>
the problem is the ashkenazi are not religious hews with a direct line of descent they are from an area in Russia where their king adapted the Jewish religion to be a state within a state about 1200 years ago they have no claim at all to isreal their religion is a farce and most closely resembles the ferengi rules of acquisition. as far as intolerance they stab at the White majority with everything they have and they did 911 and everyone with half a brain knows it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kVKGRB3cyggXX
The real issue is that there is no REAL jews.

You are right on that lots of todays jews comes from Russian azinazi europeans ans polish people.

But if you accept that, why would you choose to believe any of the biblical nonsense.

The jews invented the bible and claimed to be gods chosen to "lead nations".
And if you examine the talmud then you see excatly how jews view the non jews- they view us as cattle and beasts.

My question why believe a idioic book invented by jews - jews have been proven to be the biggest liars up thoughout history.

Even the trans atlantic slavery of africans was controled by jews.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#67999 Feb 23, 2014
JOEL wrote:
So, instead of wasting the whole of life in such pursuits that're incomplete by being fanatically inclined towards any of these extreme methods - subjectivity and objectivity - the best approach is to mix both these methods after coming to some sort of definitive conclusion based on direct experiences and inferential scientific data and then to sit back and enjoy life and to make every attempt to use science and yogic experience, without obsessing on either, to uplift humankind and to usher in an era of peace at the individual and at the collective level.
You assume that most people are "fanatically inclined" towards the extremes. It has not been my experience that this is true. Most people are, thank God, reasonably adjusted, and balance what they do professionally with how they think personally.

Second, how can you aim to uplift humankind when preaching division and stereotypes?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68001 Feb 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

You assume that most people are "fanatically inclined" towards the extremes. It has not been my experience that this is true. Most people are, thank God, reasonably adjusted, and balance what they do professionally with how they think personally.
This comment shows that you're not grounded in the reality.

Your worldview is tooo narrow.

Fanaticism on both sides of the divide - psi and science - is toooo tangible to be ignored.

Rarely, is the right balance struck - psi researchers are not yogis nor are they sufficiently rational, while materialistic scientists who deny the paranormal are too shut up in the black hole of matter and not being yogis they lack an understanding of the subjective side of nature.

Anyway, relax.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#68002 Feb 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Most people are, thank God, reasonably adjusted, and balance what they do professionally with how they think personally.
God? LOL.

G-d or God is an imagination conjured up by hallucinating bronze age barbarians.

No, most people are one sided and too rigid in most ways...

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#68003 Feb 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Second, how can you aim to uplift humankind when preaching division and stereotypes?
Uplifting humankind does not mean making a compromise with either camp.

It means presenting a synthesis of the subjective experiences in a rational way and backing that up with objective scientific theories/findings.

The synthesis will provide the cosmic worldview and it should be done without coercion.

If people are curious enough they'll understand the grand synthesis and attempt to imbibe something of it depending on their innate capacity and level of interest.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#68004 Feb 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
This comment shows that you're not grounded in the reality.
Your worldview is tooo narrow.
Fanaticism on both sides of the divide - psi and science - is toooo tangible to be ignored.
Rarely, is the right balance struck - psi researchers are not yogis nor are they sufficiently rational, while materialistic scientists who deny the paranormal are too shut up in the black hole of matter and not being yogis they lack an understanding of the subjective side of nature.
Anyway, relax.
And there you go accusing SCIENTISTS as the ones who are fanatical, while you spew fanaticism here 24/7.

Are you that out of touch with yourself?

Some yogi you are.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#68005 Feb 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
God? LOL.
G-d or God is an imagination conjured up by hallucinating bronze age barbarians.
No, most people are one sided and too rigid in most ways...
doing your part to advance world harmony as usual

You are not only a hypocrite. You are an idiot.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#68006 Feb 23, 2014
E23Jer34 wrote:
<quoted text>
The real issue is that there is no REAL jews.
You are right on that lots of todays jews comes from Russian azinazi europeans ans polish people.
But if you accept that, why would you choose to believe any of the biblical nonsense.
The jews invented the bible and claimed to be gods chosen to "lead nations".
And if you examine the talmud then you see excatly how jews view the non jews- they view us as cattle and beasts.
My question why believe a idioic book invented by jews - jews have been proven to be the biggest liars up thoughout history.
Even the trans atlantic slavery of africans was controled by jews.
We also control the internet so I would be careful if I was you.

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