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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL THUMBS UP

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#60773 Oct 17, 2013
DISEASES IN YOGA:

1) SWAMI VIVEKANANDA suffered from 30 ODD DISEASES ranging from kidney and liver malfunction, diabetes, fitful sleep, heart ailments, migraine and other disease conditions and matters were worsened by his famed egoism and vicious anger -

2) How could all these disease conditions be found in the life of a yogi?

3) These diseases of body and personality defects like anger and egoism indicate that Vivekananda was an immature yogi whose being was untransformed.

4) Vivekananda's narratives reveal that he had ascended to the vital plane and from there to the higher mind and not beyond. His yogic experiences were of the ascending kind and had nothing to do with the dynamic descent of the force field of any subtle plane of conscious energy.

5) However, in any mode of yoga - ascent or descent - the yogi's force fields and subconscient get excited and open up to the universal play of the forces and this aside there take place several attacks engineered by the hostile force/beings of the vital plane of cosmic conscious energy. Both these effects aggravate the mind-body forces causing great strain and pain and diseases in the mind and body of the yogi.

6) There are 2 ways to overcome these difficulties that arise during the course of the yogic experiences:

A) Descent of the vital conscious energy into the body that quietens and vitalizes the forces of the body and of the frontal mind which is a range of the true mind force infused in vital and in matter. Everything quietens down and is controlled by the vital force. This is well and nice but has its own set of difficulties and does not result in transformation of being-body nor in invincibility. Vitalization can introduce physical immortality but not bodily invincibility nor can it give rise to the next species which is the supramental being beyond the mental being who is man.

B) Descent of the supramental conscious energy into the body and into the frontal personality of mind, vital and matter which dissolves adverse vibrations and introduces the higher unification principle of the supramental range into the lower vehicles. At a later stage, the process of supramentalization confers immortality and invincibility on the body and causes the body itself to atrophy its own organ systems and external structure and puts into place activated force centers of the supermind.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60774 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
Unfortunately, I've spent more time in India in my life than I would have cared to and I'm well acquainted with the way they dress.
Arguing fashion with an Indian is like discussing the finer points of curry-making with an Eskimo.
I think your statement can be broadened

Arguing _______ with an Indian is like discussing the finer points of curry-making with an Eskimo.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60775 Oct 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your point in bringing up a 2010 article is?..
In a statement today, Paul insists that his
lack of certification form the mainstream
ABO -- and his establishment of the NBO --
is a principled stand in response to the
ABO 's "decision to grandfather in the older
ophthalmologists and not require them to
recertify ."
I do find it amusing that you actually consider relevance (the date) when I step on a sacred cow, but yet you habitually ignore relevance in just about every other post you make (Still fighting the good fight against healthcare in Idaho????)

Paul's explanation is weak. He obviously lacks the ability to play in a sandbox, which would be fine if he wasnt a practicing member of a skilled profession which serves the public.

Later articles noted he is a self professed expert in cataract surgery - which is usually subsidized by medicaid - making this all the more IRONIC.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60776 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Going out, shopping. Later. Bye, babies.(smiles)
Have fun at the Dollar Store.

Do you have Pizza Hut in your Walmarts too?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60777 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Just to be clear here, American Board of Ophthalmology is a private, not government organization.
The idea behind a more Libertarian government is not to eliminate government (that is anarchy). However, there are limits to what a government can and should provide to it's people. Both fiscal and moral limits. The idea behind Libertarianism is to increasingly allow the private sector to provide public services better and cheaper than can be done by the public sector.
Some people inherently don't trust private organizations to serve the public trust. But, I'd speculate an equal and growing number of people don't trust the public sector to serve the public trust as well.
I'm more than willing to discuss the pros and cons of Libertarian philosophy if we eliminate conspiracy theory and communist plots from the rhetoric (that part isn't aimed at you, Mr Bean)
Understood.

The issue about Rand Paul wasnt about government, it was about trust. The article exposes him for the charlatan he is(was), which detracts from his credibility in his other walks of life. That was a lousy preamble from the author.

I have known more than a few govt or ex govt employees who profess to have (some) libertarian views. They tell me its a reaction from working in government, and being that I had a brief taste of that years ago, I can relate.

I think one thing we all can be in agreement is that the Tea Party is not libertarian nor politically conservative. I see the masses as rooted in ethnic identity politics (origins as white, male, southern culture) and their more vocal leaders such as Cruz and Bachman as typical politicians (i.e. opportunistic).

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#60778 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Do you have Pizza Hut in your Walmarts too?
Make that the Sea Lounge in the Taj.

We don't have Walmart in Mumbai.

Pizza Hut - Yuck!

We have supermarkets in the mega malls here but the quality on offer is questionable and much like the shoddy goods offered by Walmart.

I prefer shopping for household stuff at exclusive specialty stores selling organic foods, designer furniture, organic linen, cleaning materials, toiletries and the like - different specialty outlets specialize in stocking different specialty stuff. They have home delivery but I prefer personal visits to these specialty stores.

The quality of the goods on offer in these exclusive specialty stores back here is extremely high and in many cases even better than what is available in the US.

Anyway, you know nothing about high quality or exclusivity.

You can stick to Walmart and garage sales.

LOL.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#60780 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Understood.
The issue about Rand Paul wasnt about government, it was about trust. The article exposes him for the charlatan he is(was), which detracts from his credibility in his other walks of life. That was a lousy preamble from the author.
I have known more than a few govt or ex govt employees who profess to have (some) libertarian views. They tell me its a reaction from working in government, and being that I had a brief taste of that years ago, I can relate.
I think one thing we all can be in agreement is that the Tea Party is not libertarian nor politically conservative. I see the masses as rooted in ethnic identity politics (origins as white, male, southern culture) and their more vocal leaders such as Cruz and Bachman as typical politicians (i.e. opportunistic).
The Tea Party is, despite their characterization in the press, a grass roots movement born out of a reaction to the bad economy and the concept of government overspending. They are not organized around Libertarian philosophy but there are areas where their messages overlap.

The problem isn't with the Tea Party, or with the Democrats, or with the Republicans but with the system that sustains them all. When polled, even Tea Party members balk at cutting programs like Social Security and others that benefit them personally and that, I believe, is the reason that the system we have now is the one will be have for the foreseeable future.

Alexis de Tocqueville, a keen observer of the nascent American experiment said it best when predicting the future of the democratic state.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

I don't think anyone can disagree that day has been reached.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60781 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Make that the Sea Lounge in the Taj.
We don't have Walmart in Mumbai.
Pizza Hut - Yuck!
We have supermarkets in the mega malls here but the quality on offer is questionable and much like the shoddy goods offered by Walmart.
I prefer shopping for household stuff at exclusive specialty stores selling organic foods, designer furniture, organic linen, cleaning materials, toiletries and the like - different specialty outlets specialize in stocking different specialty stuff. They have home delivery but I prefer personal visits to these specialty stores.
The quality of the goods on offer in these exclusive specialty stores back here is extremely high and in many cases even better than what is available in the US.
Anyway, you know nothing about high quality or exclusivity.
You can stick to Walmart and garage sales.
LOL.
Its sad that you are so urbanized and removed from your roots that you have to shop in "exclusive specialty stores selling organic foods". I buy organic foods at one of the many farmers markets in my city.

As of the other stuff, if you have to brag about it, how qulaity can it be, really?

I bet you eat Pizza Hut more times than you let on to.(But I agree, yuck!)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60782 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
The Tea Party is, despite their characterization in the press, a grass roots movement born out of a reaction to the bad economy and the concept of government overspending. They are not organized around Libertarian philosophy but there are areas where their messages overlap.
The problem isn't with the Tea Party, or with the Democrats, or with the Republicans but with the system that sustains them all. When polled, even Tea Party members balk at cutting programs like Social Security and others that benefit them personally and that, I believe, is the reason that the system we have now is the one will be have for the foreseeable future.
Alexis de Tocqueville, a keen observer of the nascent American experiment said it best when predicting the future of the democratic state.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
I don't think anyone can disagree that day has been reached.
I dont get how one can say the public is being bribed. We get value for the services that the government provides. Case in point - the 24? billion dollar hit and disruption to our economy by the fruitless antics of the lunatics in congress.

I see no problems with the system that cant be finer tuned. No need to throw it out.

Biggest concern from the TP is the debt. But it is falling, so this is really a non-issue.

Tea Party is not a grass roots movement. If it was, it wouldnt be based within the Republican Party. Occupy Wall Street was a grass roots movement - it had no ties to the Dems or the Repubs other than theoretical alliances in certain views.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60783 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You can stick to Walmart and garage sales.
LOL.
I step into Walmart maybe once in 3 years and then ask myself why.

Where I live we don't call them garage sales. We call them tag sales.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#60784 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont get how one can say the public is being bribed. We get value for the services that the government provides. Case in point - the 24? billion dollar hit and disruption to our economy by the fruitless antics of the lunatics in congress.
I see no problems with the system that cant be finer tuned. No need to throw it out.
Biggest concern from the TP is the debt. But it is falling, so this is really a non-issue.
Tea Party is not a grass roots movement. If it was, it wouldnt be based within the Republican Party. Occupy Wall Street was a grass roots movement - it had no ties to the Dems or the Repubs other than theoretical alliances in certain views.
Let's say I'm interested in getting elected to public office -- whether I'm running for Governor or Dog Catcher. In order to get elected I have to offer something to the voters that my opponent doesn't' offer. Maybe I have to offer the same thing as my opponent, just more of it. People have to perceive a personal benefit for voting for me. If I managed to get elected, I have to keep promising an increasing amount of fiscal blessings to the electorate to stay in office. It doesn't matter if I'm a Democrat or a Republican, I can't get elected by telling the voters I want them to have less they have now. I can however tell the voters I'm taking something away from that "other" group, and that they will end up paying less tax. But, I can't take anything away from those I expect to vote for me. That, sir, is a bribe.

Now, I didn't pay for that thing myself, I'm going to buy that thing with public money. But I will take the credit for providing it and even hit that without me you could never have received it.

An endless parade of promises and an endless chequebook to pay for those promises is the unsustainable situation of which de Tocqueville warned us about 150 years ago.

As for the Tea Party being Republican. I don't argue that precious few of their ranks identify with the Democratic Party. But, it's a fact that the entrenched Republican leadership is made just as nervous by the Tea Party as the Democratic leadership. The only difference is, the Republican Party leadership can't openly say anything.

The Tea Party WAS (I believe the wind has spilled from those sails) a perceived threat to career politicians from both parties.
Voluntarist

United States

#60785 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I am trying to prove nothing.
Haute is natural to me.
I have been wearing haute couture from a very young age courtesy my extra-stylish and extremely good looking late parents.
Haute is worn to special occasions like weddings, parties, restaurants, exclusive private dos or at times to business meetings and yes haute wear is far more expensive when compared to pret lines.
I am not trying to prove anything by wearing the haute stuff - it's natural to me since I was a toddler.
In fact, I own more pret these days than haute couture outfits.
To get a good haute suit, for example, I would have to fly to Milan, London, Rome or Paris where the main clothes salons of the top end fashion designers are located. This is tedious and so unless the occasions is extra-special one does not fly abroad to the top-end fashion salons for a unique or exclusive made-to-measure suit and then they have these fitting sessions for which one has to fly into their salon again. This is time consuming and tedious. The final product is dispatched by private courier to your address but it's so much trouble for the designer and for the client to make so many trips to the designer's salon in say Paris or Milan.
So, it's better to stick to local haute couturiers like say Shahab Durazi who're as good as their Western counterparts and better in some ways.
Wearing clothes that match my personality, taste and style is as natural as having a haircut.
Not everyone can carry off high fashion clothes especially the haute stuff - you should know how to carry yourself, have a great body, know almost everything about etiquette and table-wear/table manners and have sufficient intelligence to carry on a brilliant conversation in elite circles that does justice to your super clothes, otherwise it becomes a bland exercise in showing off and the person is overshadowed by the fine clothes and often becomes a laughing stock.
What makes someone an elite?

Isn't "stylish" a subjective term?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#60786 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I step into Walmart maybe once in 3 years and then ask myself why.
Where I live we don't call them garage sales. We call them tag sales.
Walmart rules ... When I need something they sell, they are my first choice. Large selection, low prices on everyday household items.
Voluntarist

United States

#60787 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
I am trying to prove nothing.
Haute is natural to me.
I have been wearing haute couture from a very young age courtesy my extra-stylish and extremely good looking late parents.
Haute is worn to special occasions like weddings, parties, restaurants, exclusive private dos or at times to business meetings and yes haute wear is far more expensive when compared to pret lines.
I am not trying to prove anything by wearing the haute stuff - it's natural to me since I was a toddler.
In fact, I own more pret these days than haute couture outfits.
To get a good haute suit, for example, I would have to fly to Milan, London, Rome or Paris where the main clothes salons of the top end fashion designers are located. This is tedious and so unless the occasions is extra-special one does not fly abroad to the top-end fashion salons for a unique or exclusive made-to-measure suit and then they have these fitting sessions for which one has to fly into their salon again. This is time consuming and tedious. The final product is dispatched by private courier to your address but it's so much trouble for the designer and for the client to make so many trips to the designer's salon in say Paris or Milan.
So, it's better to stick to local haute couturiers like say Shahab Durazi who're as good as their Western counterparts and better in some ways.
Wearing clothes that match my personality, taste and style is as natural as having a haircut.
Not everyone can carry off high fashion clothes especially the haute stuff - you should know how to carry yourself, have a great body, know almost everything about etiquette and table-wear/table manners and have sufficient intelligence to carry on a brilliant conversation in elite circles that does justice to your super clothes, otherwise it becomes a bland exercise in showing off and the person is overshadowed by the fine clothes and often becomes a laughing stock.
How does a piece of clothing match your personality?

If you walk by me with an expensive piece od clothing I look at you as an idiot for wasting your money, the same way I look at those idiots buying furbys.
Voluntarist

United States

#60788 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I do find it amusing that you actually consider relevance (the date) when I step on a sacred cow, but yet you habitually ignore relevance in just about every other post you make (Still fighting the good fight against healthcare in Idaho????)
Paul's explanation is weak. He obviously lacks the ability to play in a sandbox, which would be fine if he wasnt a practicing member of a skilled profession which serves the public.
Later articles noted he is a self professed expert in cataract surgery - which is usually subsidized by medicaid - making this all the more IRONIC.
Its a trade organization, your point?
Voluntarist

United States

#60789 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Walmart rules ... When I need something they sell, they are my first choice. Large selection, low prices on everyday household items.
Some walmart products are inferior in quality.

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#60790 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to be clear here, American Board of Ophthalmology is a private, not government organization.
The idea behind a more Libertarian government is not to eliminate government (that is anarchy). However, there are limits to what a government can and should provide to it's people. Both fiscal and moral limits. The idea behind Libertarianism is to increasingly allow the private sector to provide public services better and cheaper than can be done by the public sector.
Some people inherently don't trust private organizations to serve the public trust. But, I'd speculate an equal and growing number of people don't trust the public sector to serve the public trust as well.
I'm more than willing to discuss the pros and cons of Libertarian philosophy if we eliminate conspiracy theory and communist plots from the rhetoric (that part isn't aimed at you, Mr Bean)
Are you suggesting a civil discourse? That's crazy talk.
Voluntarist

United States

#60791 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Understood.
The issue about Rand Paul wasnt about government, it was about trust. The article exposes him for the charlatan he is(was), which detracts from his credibility in his other walks of life. That was a lousy preamble from the author.
I have known more than a few govt or ex govt employees who profess to have (some) libertarian views. They tell me its a reaction from working in government, and being that I had a brief taste of that years ago, I can relate.
I think one thing we all can be in agreement is that the Tea Party is not libertarian nor politically conservative. I see the masses as rooted in ethnic identity politics (origins as white, male, southern culture) and their more vocal leaders such as Cruz and Bachman as typical politicians (i.e. opportunistic).
True there are soke opportunistic politicians jumping on the wagon but the tea party is rooted in Ron Paul libertarianism, started in 2007 and has been co-opted in many ways by some neo-cons.
Just like liberalism has its progressives which are like national socialists.

Did you miss the fact that he was a member of that trade organization and his membership lapsed because he didn't think that it was fair?
There was no ill will there.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#60792 Oct 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Are you suggesting a civil discourse? That's crazy talk.
Yea, sorry about that. Acid flashback.
Voluntarist

United States

#60793 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont get how one can say the public is being bribed. We get value for the services that the government provides. Case in point - the 24? billion dollar hit and disruption to our economy by the fruitless antics of the lunatics in congress.
I see no problems with the system that cant be finer tuned. No need to throw it out.
Biggest concern from the TP is the debt. But it is falling, so this is really a non-issue.
Tea Party is not a grass roots movement. If it was, it wouldnt be based within the Republican Party. Occupy Wall Street was a grass roots movement - it had no ties to the Dems or the Repubs other than theoretical alliances in certain views.
The tea party movement started within the end the fed movement in 2007, Gary Frenchy.

Please provide proof that the debt is falling.

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