New charge against Vietnamese activis...

New charge against Vietnamese activist Ly Tong in Santa Clara attack

There are 12 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Jul 23, 2010, titled New charge against Vietnamese activist Ly Tong in Santa Clara attack. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Santa Clara County prosecutors filed a new felony charge this morning against controversial activist Ly Tong, increasing his maximum possible prison sentence to six years and eight months.

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Mike

Montréal, Canada

#1 Jul 23, 2010
I totally disagree with the sentence from the Judge. Ly Tong did not resist to Police who firstly used excessive force on him. Even after he complained about this he was pushed hard against the steel bar that left a cut on his face.
Another argument for his motive of this pepper spray is needed to investigate before make any conclusion.
hanoi yeu dau

UK

#2 Jul 25, 2010
Mike wrote:
I totally disagree with the sentence from the Judge. Ly Tong did not resist to Police who firstly used excessive force on him. Even after he complained about this he was pushed hard against the steel bar that left a cut on his face.
Another argument for his motive of this pepper spray is needed to investigate before make any conclusion.
HI THERE,,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT REGARDING THE CHARGE AGAINST MR LY TONG VIOLENT CRIME,,
AS YOU SAID,,, YOU DID NOT AGREE WITH THE WAY AMERICAN POLICE FORCE TO ARRESTED A PERSON COMMITTED A VIOLENT CRIME TO A PERSON UNKNOWN..
LET ME TELL YOU,,THE POLICE HAVE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO FORCE THIS ON WHERE EVER IT WAS NEED, AND ARRESTING HIM HANDSCUFF HIM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,,
REGARD LESS IT MIGHT CAUSE ANY INJURIES TO HIM AT ALL..
THE REASON FOR THAT,,
AS HE COMMITTED A CRIME VERY DANGE,, BECAUSE HE USED A CHEMICLES, IF THE POLICE ACTING TOO LATER,THEN THE PUBLICY WILL GET INJURIES REGARD TO HIS ACTION..
AT THAT TIME THE POLICE DO NOT KNOWN THAT WAS A HARMLESS CHEMICALS, OR POISON GAS, BUT WHAT IF YOU WERE THERE AT THAT TIME WHEN MR LY TONG WAS USED A POISON GAS,,?
IF POLICE ACTING LATER THEN IT CAUSE INJURIES TO YOU, WILL YOU BLAME THE POLICE DID NOT ACT QUICK ENOUGH TO PROTECTING PUBLICY .???
TONG WILL BE CHARGE WITH G,B,H.(GREAT BODYLY HARM,)
IF CONVICT,,, HE WILL STAYING PRISON FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS,,
PLUS PAYING COMPENSATION FOR THE VICTIME AS WELL..
DEPENDING THE MEDICAL REPORT,IF THE MEDICAL REPORTING SAYING THAT THE VICTIME NO LONG CAN ACT AS A SINGING HIS CAREE TOTAL DESTROY,THEN THE COMPENSATION WILL BE MEET TO CARE FOR HIM TO THE REST OF HIS LIFE..
I TOLD YOU WHAT.. IF I AM IN AMERICA I WILL HELP TO SUPERVISER THIS CASE, TO LOOKING EVERY SINGLE EVIDENTS OF THE VICTIME SUFFER, THEN PUT THE CLAIM TO THE COUT OF LAW..MAKE SURE LY TONG GO TO HELL.
THAT IS THE LAW MATE.
Xtreme

Manchester, NH

#3 Jul 25, 2010
The second poster... please write better English or don't write at all. I know where both of you are coming from. The first poster is obvisously in defend of Mr. Tong and his action while the second poster is obvisously in favor of the charge and in defend for Communist Vietnam. I am a borned US citizen and 100% vietnamese. My Take is that Mr. Tong actions are stupid and indignified. Different people play a different role in this society. Politicians job is to deal with politics and singers/artists job is to entertain people. Please who ever support and believe that Entertainers like Dam vinh Hung is a figure of communist is ignorant and lack of knowledge. Check your home cd/songs record, you have at least 100 songs or a few CD laying around that's from Singers In Vietnam. ABout his charges it should hold and people shouldn't encourage him because it's STUPID. I would support him if he come up to Nguyen Tan Dung (prime Minister) because he's a figure of politics and represent the communist party. Singer and politicians is identified differently.
Second Land

Oklahoma City, OK

#4 Jul 25, 2010
Eventhough Ly Tong's action was not very wise, he did show his points (as well as many other oversea Vietnamese's) for the "Viet Cong" that their plans shall be revealed no matter how much they have tried to conceal. Only those who have lived in such a horrible society understand what communists are like. It is not like as it was seen skin deep at all. You have to live with the snake to learn how dangerous it is to know how to treat it appropriately. Good things turn around; likewise, bad things turn around too. Diamond cuts diamond.
hanoi yeu dau

UK

#5 Jul 26, 2010
Xtreme wrote:
The second poster... please write better English or don't write at all. I know where both of you are coming from. The first poster is obvisously in defend of Mr. Tong and his action while the second poster is obvisously in favor of the charge and in defend for Communist Vietnam. I am a borned US citizen and 100% vietnamese. My Take is that Mr. Tong actions are stupid and indignified. Different people play a different role in this society. Politicians job is to deal with politics and singers/artists job is to entertain people. Please who ever support and believe that Entertainers like Dam vinh Hung is a figure of communist is ignorant and lack of knowledge. Check your home cd/songs record, you have at least 100 songs or a few CD laying around that's from Singers In Vietnam. ABout his charges it should hold and people shouldn't encourage him because it's STUPID. I would support him if he come up to Nguyen Tan Dung (prime Minister) because he's a figure of politics and represent the communist party. Singer and politicians is identified differently.
hi there,,
i just love to writer in English, even so. i known that my ENGLISH WAS N'T GOOD ENOUGH, IS THAT THE POINT ARE YOU CONCERNING?

YOU WERE INDECATE THAT YOU WAS BORN IN AMERICA,,
SO WHAT DO YOU KNOWN ABOUT VN COMMUNIST REGIM AT ALL.?

PLEASE DO NOT MAKING YOUR REMARK LIKE THIS ON THIS FORUM.

MIGHT BE LY TONG AND YOU HAVE HAD ANY MOTIVATIVE,?
AS YOU CAN SEE,,, DAM,HE IS JUST A TEENAGE BOY.
HE WAS BORN IN VN,, AND A VN IS UNDER COMMUNIST RULE,

AS A CITIZEN OF THAT NATION,,HE MUST OBAY TO THE LAW AND ORDER, EDUCATION. V V V V.AS YOU CAN SEE,.
AND MYSELF,,I DO NOT SUPPORTING COMMUNIST REGIM,,AND I DO NOT SUPPORTING ANY VIOLENT ACT,AND I DO NOT LIKE TO HEAR THAT ANY POLITICAL ORGANISATION WHICH WAS IN VOLVE TO ACT ANY VIOLENT AGAINST PEOPLE.

TO ME..IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SONG HE IS SINGING,
MIGHT BE HE SING THAT SONG,, BUT HE DID NOT LIKE IT , BUT HE MUST SING,SING FOR HIS LIVING.

HOW CAN YOU JUDGE IT THEN ??

LET ME ASKING YOU THIS QUESTION..
IF YOU HAPPEN TO TRAVELLING TO SOME COUNTRY WHICH WAS AND ANTI AMERICAN, AND YOU ARE SINGING THE SONG IN ENGLISH, AND THEN THE OLD MEN COME UP AND HIT YOU..

HOW DO YOU FEEL ??
HA,HA,HA, CONGRATULATION THAT YOU WERE BORN IN AMERICA..
SO WHAT ??? THAT MEAN YOU ARE WRITING GOOD IN ENGLISH ??

I CAME TO UK SINCE I 30,YEARS OLD, BUT I LOVE TO LEAN AND PRACTICE MY ENGLISH,,

HOW ABOUT YOU PARENT, DOES THEY CAN WRITER IN ENLISH LIKE YOU ???

MY ADVICE TO YOU THIS..JUST CONCERNTRATE TO YOU JOB TAKE CARE YOUR FAMILY.
AND HAVE GOOD LIFE IN THE FOREIGNER COUNTRY WHICH YOUR PARENT HAS ADOPT TO GIVEN BIRTH TO YOU THERE.

THIS IS A WRONG SUBJECT FOR YOU TO GET INVOLVE..
hanoi yeu dau

UK

#6 Jul 26, 2010
Xtreme wrote:
The second poster... please write better English or don't write at all. I know where both of you are coming from. The first poster is obvisously in defend of Mr. Tong and his action while the second poster is obvisously in favor of the charge and in defend for Communist Vietnam. I am a borned US citizen and 100% vietnamese. My Take is that Mr. Tong actions are stupid and indignified. Different people play a different role in this society. Politicians job is to deal with politics and singers/artists job is to entertain people. Please who ever support and believe that Entertainers like Dam vinh Hung is a figure of communist is ignorant and lack of knowledge. Check your home cd/songs record, you have at least 100 songs or a few CD laying around that's from Singers In Vietnam. ABout his charges it should hold and people shouldn't encourage him because it's STUPID. I would support him if he come up to Nguyen Tan Dung (prime Minister) because he's a figure of politics and represent the communist party. Singer and politicians is identified differently.
AS YOUR REKARK REGARDING THE LANGUAGE,,

THE WROTE IN ENGLISH ANY WORDS CAUSING YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND AT ALL ??

PLEASE REPLIES..

EVEN YOU SAY YOU WAS BORN IN AMERICA,,

BUT YOUR ENLISH IS STILL MISSED SPELLING.
WILL I COMPLAINIG TO YOUR TEACHER,?OR YOUR PARENTS ??

YOU ARE A VIETNAMESE BORN IN AMERICA,ARE YOU WORKING NOW,,?

OR ON WELFAIR BENEFITS.?

JUST GO BACK TO COLLEDGE,THAT IS MY BETTER ADVISER TO YOU AGAIN..PLEASE TAKE MY ADVICE

REMEMBER THIS MY LAST PRIME MINISTER Mr GOLDEN BROWN STILL MISSED SPELLING WHEN HE WROTE A LETTERS TO HIE MATES,, SO WHAT IS A PROBLEMS WITH THAT ????

BUT I WISH THE PROSECUTION WILL FIND FURTHER MORE CHARGES AGAINST Mr LY TONG YOU SEE..

THANK YOU FOR THAT...
To Hai Noi Yeu Dau

Farmingdale, NY

#8 Jul 28, 2010
First, I must say your efforts in learning English is commendable. second, I also agree with you that Ly Tong is not a hero as Vietnamese people have made him out to be. Heroes do not commit such a cowardly and criminal act as he did against the singer. I can really think of any political hero in the past and present time who would do such a thing under similar circumstances. Martin Luther King certainly did not disguise as a woman to pepper spray a white protester during one of his freedom marches. People who must disguise themselves in order to achieve an objective by committing a wrongful act are usually criminals, such as bank robbers and terrorists. Law abiding citizens do not do so, except Halloween.

However, I can say the same regarding your statements about the law, especially with respect to tort (personal injury) and the penal code (criminal law). First, in general, police do not have unfettered authority to use unnecessary and/or deadly force upon persons while making arrests unless in self-defense or in defense of others (general public). Second, Ly Tong's act in question is what we call "assault and battery," and that is exactly he should be charged with by the prosecution. There is no such a thing called G.B.H in law. "Great bodily harm" as you described is not an act; as such a person cannot be charged with it. Rather "G.B.H." is a result, thus a needed element in the law in order to classify the severity of culpability of the act. For example, if you enter a person's home in an "illegal" manner (e.g., uninvited, under duress or self defense) without lethal force, it is a mere trespass, or burglary at best. However, if coupled with lethal force (a gun, knife, or the like) then it is robbery.

Cheers,

JT
To Hai Noi Yeu Dau

Farmingdale, NY

#9 Jul 28, 2010
First, I must say your efforts in learning English are commendable. second, I also agree with you that Ly Tong is not a hero as Vietnamese people have made him out to be. Heroes do not commit such a cowardly and criminal act as he did against the singer. I can really think of any political hero in the past and present time who would do such a thing under similar circumstances. Martin Luther King certainly did not disguise as a woman to pepper spray a white protester during one of his freedom marches. People who must disguise themselves in order to achieve an objective by committing a wrongful act are usually criminals, such as bank robbers and terrorists. Law abiding citizens do not do so, except Halloween.

However, I can say the same regarding your statements about the law, especially with respect to tort (personal injury) and the penal code (criminal law). First, in general, police do not have unfettered authority to use unnecessary and/or deadly force upon persons while making arrests unless in self-defense or in defense of others (general public). Second, Ly Tong's act in question is what we call "assault and battery," and that is exactly he should be charged with by the prosecution. There is no such a thing called G.B.H in law. "Great bodily harm" as you described is not an act; as such a person cannot be charged with it. Rather "G.B.H." is a result, thus a needed element in the law in order to classify the severity of culpability of the act. For example, if you enter a person's home in an "illegal" manner (e.g., uninvited, under duress or self defense) without lethal force, it is a mere trespass, or burglary at best. However, if coupled with lethal force (a gun, knife, or the like) then it is robbery.

Cheers,

JT
Quang Trung Nguyen

United States

#10 Oct 18, 2010
Well,We could not expect much from Mr. Ly Tong.He always has his own way to do things.His background gives him enough medical evidences to claim for being mentally ill.In the past, he was dishonorably discharged from the military for the beating of his training officer during his training here in the U.S.,excusing the officer for discrimination. He had killed an black teenager and another fellow Vietnamese when he was a guard for a night club, excusing them gangsters and his killing was for self-defense.He hi-jacked air-planes to drop leaflets over Vietnam without thinking of the safety of other people on the plane .He even threaten any Vietnamese community groups whose activities are not aligned with his expectation as being correctly anti-communist.He is intelligent enough to excuse all his actions as the love for his country Vietnam and his concern that the communist may take over America.
I advice all that like to make negative comments against Ly Tong to protect your identities and place of residences for Mr. Ly could be much worse.
He is not afraid to go to jail and always ready to confront the law.
You may not know you could be his next and/or final target.
So good luck and be nice to our hero Ly Tong,will you.
To Xtreme and Hanoiyeudau

UK

#12 Feb 19, 2011
I totally agree with Xtreme about the difference between artists and politicians, and that only stupid wankers would do what Ly Tong did. You are also totally right about going to Nguyen Tan Dung instead of a singer like Mr Dam. I am living in Vietnam but could still see your point...
Hanoi yeu dau – I don’t think you need to get offended because Xtreme didn’t say anything wrong there, you shouldn’t take it personally like that. He was focusing on the case and also disagreed with Ly Tong's act and you are drawn back to your ego and self-dignity shit, just because he commented something about your English..
After_1975

Salem, OR

#13 Oct 31, 2011
The communists put my family under house arrest in 1977. They claimed my grandfather was a spy. They said if we accepted the charges, all we had to lose was our own house and all charges would be dropped. At night, the police took each of our family members away for interrogations. After a month, we did not sign our house away. They gave up and left us alone after putting my grandfather in jail for three years. My father had been in jail since 1975 until 1984. If you were in my shoes, you would thank people like Ly Tong!
hajuoy batney

United States

#14 Oct 31, 2011
I no get it? Please tell me so soon!

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