Number of LDS churches vandalized inc...

Number of LDS churches vandalized increases to 7

There are 55 comments on the KSL TV story from Nov 11, 2008, titled Number of LDS churches vandalized increases to 7. In it, KSL TV reports that:

Another church building belonging to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been vandalized.

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“The World is Dead to Fall”

Since: Oct 08

Bountiful

#42 Nov 14, 2008
Josh,

If your saying that the fact the mormon religion has the right to take away the rights of people that deserve their freedom, then your opinion is worthless. If you really think the LDS church is so much more superiour to us who are not mormon or not what your idea is of "Perfect by the fucking book", than your discrimminating all of us.
Look, I know I'm going to get a bad rating for this and frankly I don't care. I hate the fact you think you have more rights to persuade those to vote for what YOU want.
It's sad and I think the vandalism acts against your churches are justifiable.

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

Orem, UT

#43 Nov 14, 2008
TheSavior wrote:
Josh,
If your saying that the fact the mormon religion has the right to take away the rights of people that deserve their freedom, then your opinion is worthless. If you really think the LDS church is so much more superiour to us who are not mormon or not what your idea is of "Perfect by the fucking book", than your discrimminating all of us.
Look, I know I'm going to get a bad rating for this and frankly I don't care. I hate the fact you think you have more rights to persuade those to vote for what YOU want.
It's sad and I think the vandalism acts against your churches are justifiable.
And you call us bigots and hateful....somehow I don't buy it....get a grip.
KEVIN FROM IDAHO

Boise, ID

#45 Nov 15, 2008
The LDS church and other religions have all the right to promote family and good moral values, if not, who will? Why do intolerant people call it a hate crime when people speak against something
that destoys the very fabric of our society? We must all seek to keep certain tradions intact for
the welfare of the human race!
claire

Milton Keynes, UK

#47 Dec 2, 2008
can i just add...

There are more STRAIGHT couples infected with HIV/Aids than there are gay couples...

proving that the infection is NOT mostly gay couples it is infact STRAIGHT
Josh wrote:
I am a Mormon, and I want to be heardÖ
In light of recent attacks (both verbal and some physical) against the Mormon church for its support of prop 8, Iíd like to share some of my thoughts as a member of the church. First of all, I should make it clear that I did not vote yes on prop 8 just because my church leaders encouraged it. In fact, it was very hard for me to decide how to vote, but I feel I made the MORE correct decision both in religious and secular context.
Let me say that the technicalities of legalizing gay marriage are not what I am afraid of. Iím all for giving gay couples the same rights and tax breaks as straight couples. What I am afraid of, however, are the implications of legalizing gay marriage and the effects on future generations. We already see gay teachers increasingly imposing their lifestyle on susceptible young children in a setting where lifestyle choices should not be discussed at all, traditional or alternate. Also letís face it, every child who decides that he wants to be gay (or that he was born that way) faces a life with a much higher risk of contracting HIV (and other STDs) no matter how safe he tries to be.
I hope you realize that neither I nor the Mormon church condemns gay people. I personally have many gay friends whom I sincerely call friends and I do not judge them. The last President of the church, President Hinckley, stated on Larry King that our church is not anti-gay, we are simply pro-family. He even admitted that there may very well be a genetic factor contributing to gay tendencies. Being a microbiology student myself (with an emphasis in genetics), Iíll be the first to admit that there may be evidence of genetic influence. That being said, I do not see it as a justification for teaching that living a gay lifestyle is normal and equally acceptable. Geneticists have also shown that there are genes which contribute to alcoholism, but that isnít justification for our society to embrace alcoholics as a normal and acceptable lifestyle. It would do us well to equally tolerate and love all of Godís children, but that doesnít mean we have to embrace their life choices.
The family is the most fundamental unit of society, and most/all of the moral, ethical, and social problems in our society are rooted in the degradation of traditional families. Children simply need a mother and father who fulfill their traditional roles in the family; who can come together in the act of love and create life which they will nurture through childhood. Believing this is not being close-minded, itís what works. I understand that critics make the claim that gay couples can be much better parents and they have much lower divorce rates than traditional couples these days. While they may be right about the latter, gay-couple families are not the answer. We must fix whatís broken, not abandon it. Hopefully youíve noticed that the ďyes on 8Ē campaign was wholly based on protecting traditional marriage and families, and in no way was against gay people as a part of American society.
Letís keep the tradition of marriage how itís always been, and letís keep gay civil unions the way they have been. The Mormon church is not trying to impose its beliefs on society, it simply encourages society to stand up for the functional family that has been the backbone of society since time began. Please understand, I did not vote yes on prop 8 out of bigotry or hate. I wish there were an easy way to convey that to everyone. I apologize to all who took the ďyes on 8Ē efforts personally. It would not have been the end of the world if prop 8 hadnít passed, but Iím glad that the majority of California voters understood on Nov. 4 that voting yes was in the best interest of our society.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL.

#48 Dec 2, 2008
The LDS Church asked for this, and now they sound surprised?

If the LDS Church does not agree with Gay Marriage, then don't have now.

But now when the LDS Church financially sponsors for Proposition 8 which was to push their own personal religious agenda on others and taking away freedoms.

If a Church goes and does this and pushes their agenda to take away a Freedom from me just because "Their imaginary God told them to" I would extremely upset as well.

Its funny that now the LDS Church is upset and they are trying to get people to feel sorry for them, no matter what I do not feel sorry for the LDS Church and still feel sorry for those affected by Proposition 8.

I don't think vandalizing the Churches is the best way to get the point across but do agree that the Gay community should not have just sat down and let this happen to them and its great to see that they didn't let the LDS Church get away with it.

“I know my redeemer lives.”

Since: Dec 07

Davis, California

#49 Dec 3, 2008
Excuse me, but it was far more than the LDS Church. Besides which, it was not the Church as a cooperation/legal entity but its individual members aligned in common cause with so many others that defended and reinforced the definition of marriage as we have always known it. It was the gay movement that was trying to force feed a new definition of marriage onto an unwilling population that was defeated. Remember, this is the second time in California that the people have had to insist that they did not want a new definition of marriage. Remember also that in all thirty states where the people have been allowed to speak on record they have solidly, if not overwelmingly affirmed that they want to maintain the traditional definition of marriage. Because homosexuals cannot force acceptance of their lifestyle on the majority of the people against their wills is no reason to resort to facists tactics of threat and violence.

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#50 Dec 3, 2008
Just as the will of the majority was forced on the LDS church in the form of polygamy being illegal...it sounds like either jealousy or sour grapes. The LDS wasn't always in favor or "one man one woman".

If anyone thinks that back in "the good old days" that marriage was between one man and one woman and lasted for a lifetime, take off the rose colored glasses. For example, look at Victorian England. It was pretty common in the "lower classes" to have couples living together who were still married to their previous spouses, who were also living with others. Prostitution was common because when the husband took off with another woman, a wife had to make a living some how. And in the upper classes, marriages were arranged for status, the husband and wife hardly knowing each other, and once an heir was produced, the couple went their separate ways and had separate lives (where do you think all the "johns" came from?).

The 1950's ideal of "marriage" didn't even exist back in the 1950's.

"One man one woman for life" has always been the MINORITY of marriages. Even those who champion the "traditional marriage" cause tend to have multiple divorces and serial marriages.

And if it's all about children, why are couples who are unable or unwilling to breed allowed to marry? Sure, two men or two woman won't have kids "the natural way", but neither will two 70 year olds, or someone who's had a hysterectomy, or had his tubes tied, or any number of others.

I still say the best course is to have a civil conract that only involves two persons, and a person can only be party to one contract at a time. The churches can do whatever they want.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL.

#51 Dec 3, 2008
I have some issues with some off the things certain religions call Moral, the churches do a lot of immoral things just like the rest of us.
But what has made a difference is that the LDS and other churches pushed their agenda on others in forms of misleading advertising and such.
Democracy went out the window when the church with their millions of dollars where out there.
Marriage is about love, what happens in their bedroom is just a perk of loving someone else.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#52 Dec 3, 2008
frankhou77 wrote:
I have some issues with some off the things certain religions call Moral, the churches do a lot of immoral things just like the rest of us.
But what has made a difference is that the LDS and other churches pushed their agenda on others in forms of misleading advertising and such.
Democracy went out the window when the church with their millions of dollars where out there.
Marriage is about love, what happens in their bedroom is just a perk of loving someone else.
First the LDS Church donated $2000 not millions. As for the supposed misleading advertisments the gay rights groups have proven that those ads were dead on. After all look at how yuou are attacking a religin because it does not agree with you and spoke out.

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#53 Dec 3, 2008
Those who want laws based on their own religious principles aren't thinking things through. It's all well and good for them as long as it's THEIR religious principles. What happens if another religion decides laws should be based on their principles? They don't want to see same sex couples marry because it's offensive to them. Well, to some religious groups public displays of affection between opposite sex couples - even holding hands - is offensive. As is a woman showing her bare legs or arms. They'll show you, in their holy books, exactly where it says God is offended by these things, just like Christians can show in the bible where God is offended by same-sex couples. Do we take the rights of straight couples to show affection, or for women to wear shorts and tanks, because it's against their religion? For them, that's "the way it's always been".
jus love it

Honolulu, HI

#54 Dec 10, 2008
The church is not forcing its religious values on us, rather that you are forcing your values on us. Most people do not agree that your sexual orientation is valid enough to change the definition of marriage. This is all what this is.

Marriage was created for man and woman and the laws and ceremony reflect that. That is normal every day values and consider traditional, nothing religious there or Mormon. Now you people who practice same sex wants to alter it and label sexual orientation civil rights and try to enforce your values on us by protesting some peacefully, some violently where they target people who don't agree with them to the point where they create a black list, cause property damage and even hold up traffic. They even want to ignorantly boycott business,which employ people of the gay community and on and on.

To me sexual orientation isn't a civil right. Aside from being married, you still have other rights like voting and etc. No one cannot discriminate against you because you are protected (hate crimes act) fat people ugly people and etc can still get picked on. It wasn't as bad as the blacks have it in the 60's where they can't vote and use the same bathroom and go in some places at all. You aren't a race picked on. There are people of other race still being picked on.

So man and woman marriage is people's value for the majority...Not only Mormon inclusive...I think other religion has that too. This is the only time the LDS church got involved. They still allow gays in their church, they don't condemn gay people they would love and nurture them and show them the error of their ways and teach them that they are acting against the laws of nature.

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#55 Dec 10, 2008
"They still allow gays in their church, they don't condemn gay people they would love and nurture them and show them the error of their ways and teach them that they are acting against the laws of nature."
Mighty white of you.

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#57 Dec 10, 2008
Uh, people are not marrying and divorcing in droves. Most of the people who complain about SSM are on their third or fourth marriage. The great champions of conservativism in america have left a trail of failed marriages and messed up children in their wake.+

How 'bout fixing straight marriage? Or is the illusion of the "one-man-one-woman-for-li fe-with-children" myth is just fading too much?

You know what's disillusioned the current generation more than SSM ever could disillusion future generations? Seeing their parents go through serial marriages and divorces. My husband has three half-brothers - one through his father (two different mothers), and two through his mother (three different fathers). All four were products of legal, church-sanctioned marriages. They've all got issues of one type or another.

I know a few products of serial marriage who think of marriage like a movie - big wedding will mean happily ever after. And they keep repeating it, hoping this time it will be the right costume and script to work out that way. I know others who won't even consider marriage - why bother, it'll only end in divorce anyway.

I know - you're being kind. You want to protect gay couples from marriage, so they won't have to suffer like straight couples do. How sweet.
christian mom

Corbett, OR

#58 Jul 9, 2010
Check out the Thread in Gilbert, AZ titled 'Rejoining the LDS church'.
custodialdadowes 20000

Fenton, MO

#59 Jul 9, 2010
"The gays have become the crazed mob that would usually hunt gays down now they hunt old ladies,churches and people who don't agree with them.... talk about tolerance."~

Who's actions have militarized many in the gay community? That's right, the LDS church did. Pat your selves on the back for getting members of the homosexual community hot enough to seek retribution.

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