Grand jury indicts Jonathan Holt on a...

Grand jury indicts Jonathan Holt on additional charges in death of Whitney Heichel

There are 166 comments on the OregonLive.com story from Oct 26, 2012, titled Grand jury indicts Jonathan Holt on additional charges in death of Whitney Heichel. In it, OregonLive.com reports that:

Jonathan Holt, who is accused of murdering Whitney Heichel, was indicted on additional charges Friday in Clackamas County Circuit Court.

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hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#22 Oct 27, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
By Aimee Green, The Oregonian
on October 26, 2012 at 8:06 PM, updated October 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Jonathan Daniel Holt appears by video feed before Judge Katherine Weber Friday afternoon in Clackamas County Circuit Court. He is charged with kidnapping, sexually assaulting and killing Whitney Heichel. His trial was scheduled for December but probably won't start until sometime next year.
Michael Lloyd/The Oregonian In 44 pages outlining the case against accused killer Jonathan Holt, Gresham police paint the picture of a young man who was acting erratically -- dumping guns, ammunition boxes and apparently bloody linens in public places -- in the hours and days after 21-year-old Whitney Heichel went missing.
After Heichel didn't arrive at work at 7 a.m. Oct. 16, friends and family scoured the region for her. But Holt, who was a neighbor of Heichel's, didn't take part and was nowhere to be found. Nearly 12 hours later, friends spotted Holt walking along Northeast 257th Avenue.
When they offered him a ride, he refused, saying "I just need to finish clearing my head," according to search warrant affidavits made public Friday.
The documents offer a chilling and detailed summary into the investigation into Holt, who was indicted Friday in Clackamas County Circuit Court on charges of aggravated murder, kidnapping, robbery and sodomy.
.........
"Holt also admitted to downloading child pornography onto his laptop, the affidavits say. "
After reading those 44 pages this scumbag had some serious issues !!
Gee, a Jehovah's Witness who is not only a rapist and a murderer BUT also a pedophile.
Not exactly shocking.

Will be interesting to see what evolves here.

Poor Whitney and her husband.

I stand by my statement.

If Holt had not confessed, every single Jehovah's Witness would be rallying behind Holt, and screaming "persecution", just as Jehovah's witnesses did when Kelle Jarka brutally murdered his wife, a fellow Jehovah's Witness and their "sister", and despite the wildly overwhelming evidence proving him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in court no Jehovah's witnesses sat with the victim's family, all fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, nope they all sat in support of the murderer Jarka, because he denied it.

As the Judge stated the Jehovah's witness was "evil".

You got to wonder what other crimes Holt has committed that the JWs covered up in the past.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#23 Oct 27, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, a Jehovah's Witness who is not only a rapist and a murderer BUT also a pedophile.
Not exactly shocking.

Will be interesting to see what evolves here.

Poor Whitney and her husband.

I stand by my statement.

If Holt had not confessed, every single Jehovah's Witness would be rallying behind Holt, and screaming "persecution", just as Jehovah's witnesses did when Kelle Jarka brutally murdered his wife, a fellow Jehovah's Witness and their "sister", and despite the wildly overwhelming evidence proving him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in court no Jehovah's witnesses sat with the victim's family, all fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, nope they all sat in support of the murderer Jarka, because he denied it.

As the Judge stated the Jehovah's witness was "evil".

You got to wonder what other crimes Holt has committed that the JWs covered up in the past.
The man has been disfellowshipped. He's not a "witness." Just like you were disfellowshipped for selling your body for a line of blow. There's a reason why you're attracted to these depraved mindsets. You can certainly identify with them.
Hoodwinked

Hemet, CA

#25 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
The man has been disfellowshipped. He's not a "witness." Just like you were disfellowshipped for selling your body for a line of blow. There's a reason why you're attracted to these depraved mindsets. You can certainly identify with them.
Really? Then why did they seize a piece of paper from his car titled "Sound Department" which J.Holt as well as C.Heichel written on it?
Read the documents it also shows he has been out on service in the victims SVU as well as other cars...hardly seems like he was "inactive" to me after reading it.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#26 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
The man has been disfellowshipped. He's not a "witness." Just like you were disfellowshipped for selling your body for a line of blow. There's a reason why you're attracted to these depraved mindsets. You can certainly identify with them.
News Flash:

Brother Holt was not disfellowshipped when he abducted, sexually molested and murdered the sister.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#27 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
The man has been disfellowshipped. He's not a "witness."
Who are you talking about, Jonathan Holt?

You'd be wrong, in that case.

At the time of the commission of the crimes, he was very much still a member of the congregation.

There's alot in that affidavit that bears serious further investigation. ALOT.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#28 Oct 27, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Then why did they seize a piece of paper from his car titled "Sound Department" which J.Holt as well as C.Heichel written on it?
Read the documents it also shows he has been out on service in the victims SVU as well as other cars...hardly seems like he was "inactive" to me after reading it.
The piece of paper you are correct about. Further investigation into that needs to be conducted.

As for his statement that he had been in service in the victims SVU, this answer came amidst a number of other lies and inconsistencies during his first interview, in answer to the question if he had ever been in her Explorer. Further investigation needed there also.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#29 Oct 27, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you talking about, Jonathan Holt?

You'd be wrong, in that case.

At the time of the commission of the crimes, he was very much still a member of the congregation.

There's alot in that affidavit that bears serious further investigation. ALOT.
You can't be disfellowshipped unless you actually do something you can be disfellowshipped for. He is disfellowshipped now.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#30 Oct 27, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>News Flash:

Brother Holt was not disfellowshipped when he abducted, sexually molested and murdered the sister.
He was disfellowshipped just like you were when you committed adultery.
TPMP

New York, NY

#31 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, no, you're always salivating over murder and rape if indicts certain persons. If you had any genuine interests, you'd post this nice letter from the victims mother:
http://www.kgw.com/home/A-momma-letter-about-...
Dear family, I want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my life’s tribulations, that I am still standing.
The obvious reason is that Jehovah is the faithful “keeper of Promises” holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear. That he would empower us with abundant strength as long as we hold loyally to him.
I have not lost my daughter Whitney and you have not lost a sister. I know exactly where she is. That girl loves to sleep and she is taking a bit of a nap right now, held tightly in Jehovah’s memory. What a cozy place to be.
My family has been told that many are crushed with sadness for us. Don’t be overcome with grief. As difficult as this has been, a tremendous opportunity has opened up because people in communities around the earth have opened their hearts wide to learning more about us as a people and the God whose name we carry. Because of the experiences I have recently witnessed or someone has shared, this ordeal has greatly impacted the minds and hearts of really good, compassionate and loving people. I promise you that if Jehovah told me that he would end this cruel system immediately so that I could hold Whitney safe and warm in my arms, see those shining eyes and her radiant smile tomorrow, I promise you… that I would beg him to wait so that we would have the time to reach out to those people. We could not rescue Whitney but we can rescue them. Jehovah knows what he is doing.
This mother does not have the words to express the gratitude she has for the millions of prayers that have flowed to Jehovah for my family nor the countless tears that have fallen for the sorrow that visited our lives. And while many of you have not been able to be present with us in a literal sense, I have known you were there with every breath that I have taken. Hugs do travel through the air on wings of angels and although there was a horrific hole cut from my heart, I have been squeezed so tightly with your love that it has already closed enough to let me breathe, witness to others and even to laugh out loud. My prayers include you and I needed to reassure you that my family and I are not just standing we are standing stronger than ever.
Beautiful Whitney beat us to Paradise.
I love you, I love you,
Your sis Lorilei
WOW!

What a beautiful letter. Moving.

Thanks for sharing.

She stands strong. As a father. This is absolutely heartbreaking. I couldn't ever imagine the pain it must be to bury one of your own children.

I had a fellow witness peer from a sister congregation that drowned in his pool one summer. His mom was devastated. We all were. It was very sad. The friends from several nearby congregations were there to comfort the whole family. The mother ended up comforting everybody else.

Only By Jehovah's strength can on get through a time like this.(Philippians 4:13)

Trully!
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#32 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
He was disfellowshipped just like you were when you committed adultery.
You have me confused with someone else.

As you probably HAVE NOT noticed, it is a simple matter to post under my online handle because I am not a member of Topix.

Brother Holt was a brother in good standing who apparently had privileges in the kingdom hall Sound Department.

He might even have been the brother who pushed "PLAY" on the CD player so the brothers and sisters could sing along with the canned "We are Jehovah's Witnesses" and "From door to door" songs.
TPMP

New York, NY

#33 Oct 27, 2012
This Brother Judd just lost all his privacy.

I hope he manages the adjustment well.

Every other media outlet will be looking to interview this guy at some point.
Hoodwinked

Hemet, CA

#34 Oct 27, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
The piece of paper you are correct about. Further investigation into that needs to be conducted.
As for his statement that he had been in service in the victims SVU, this answer came amidst a number of other lies and inconsistencies during his first interview, in answer to the question if he had ever been in her Explorer. Further investigation needed there also.
I'm sure as time goes on things will become a bit more clear. It's just so horrible :(

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#35 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't be disfellowshipped unless you actually do something you can be disfellowshipped for. He is disfellowshipped now.
It seems you lack a fundamental understanding of the process. By virtue of your logic, he would have been disfellowshipped the day he allegedly downloaded child pornography.

At any rate, my statement was that he was known as a brother when he set out on his path to commit these crimes.
TPMP

New York, NY

#36 Oct 27, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
He was disfellowshipped just like you were when you committed adultery.
We don't know if he was baptized or not.

Inactive or not.

We do NOT know.

The facts will not be known until this case winds its way through the system.

We also don't know if something was going on between Holt and the victim.

We just don't know anything "concrete" as of the moment.

The situation is much too fluid.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#37 Oct 27, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> We don't know if he was baptized or not.
Inactive or not.
We do NOT know.
The facts will not be known until this case winds its way through the system.
We also don't know if something was going on between Holt and the victim.
We just don't know anything "concrete" as of the moment.
The situation is much too fluid.
Not to make a habit of taking on your every post, but:

There's little to no chance that Holt was not a baptized member of the congregation on October 16, 2012.

Inactive is a theocratic term and it's not the same as the term "irregular attender", and that was deliberately used.

I'm quite surprised that you raised the idea that there was something going on between the accused and the victim. Not at the idea itself, but that this has entered your mind.

Disagree. In fact, we have even more concrete evidence available now. And a 44 page affidavit that will undoubtably lead to further investigation of the people who knew Jonathan Holt up to his horrific crime.



TPMP

New York, NY

#38 Oct 27, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to make a habit of taking on your every post, but:
There's little to no chance that Holt was not a baptized member of the congregation on October 16, 2012.
Inactive is a theocratic term and it's not the same as the term "irregular attender", and that was deliberately used.
I'm quite surprised that you raised the idea that there was something going on between the accused and the victim. Not at the idea itself, but that this has entered your mind.
Disagree. In fact, we have even more concrete evidence available now. And a 44 page affidavit that will undoubtably lead to further investigation of the people who knew Jonathan Holt up to his horrific crime.
Again.....We will have to wait and see.

Please continue to feel free to push ahead and draw your own conclusions entirely based on what YOU think. It seems you always do.

==========

Enjoy your evening.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#40 Oct 28, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> We don't know if he was baptized or not.
Inactive or not.
We do NOT know.
The facts will not be known until this case winds its way through the system.
We also don't know if something was going on between Holt and the victim.
We just don't know anything "concrete" as of the moment.
The situation is much too fluid.
Brother Holt spoke of going out in 'service' and went into a lot of detail about his relationship with the victim and her husband.

Read the police and court documents obtained by The Oregonian newspaper....

http://media.oregonlive.com/gresham_impact/ot...
TPMP

New York, NY

#41 Oct 28, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Brother Holt spoke of going out in 'service' and went into a lot of detail about his relationship with the victim and her husband.
Read the police and court documents obtained by The Oregonian newspaper....
http://media.oregonlive.com/gresham_impact/ot...
This was relevant info.

Thanks.

Again.....Did he say he was baptized?.

Although, in all fairness it is safe to assume that he was a witness after reading that he "claims" that he was out in service.

==========

In either case. This is still very rare to happen among witnesses.

This is Satan's world. We should expect everything.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#42 Oct 28, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>
Although, in all fairness it is safe to assume that he was a witness after reading that he "claims" that he was out in service.
Are you actually serious? You think this is the strongest indication?

Maybe you should re-read that entire first interview.

The more you talk, the more you demonstrate just how little you know about how the organization actually runs.
TPMP

New York, NY

#43 Oct 28, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you actually serious? You think this is the strongest indication?
Maybe you should re-read that entire first interview.
The more you talk, the more you demonstrate just how little you know about how the organization actually runs.
As i told you.

Until i hear what the elder body of his congo has to say.

I will doubt and i will NOT be in rush to judgement. That is the MO of online apostates

We best not post. We will not see eye to eye.

Enjoy your day.

==========

BTW

Yes. Anything is possible. It is shaping up with the info we have at hand that he was a ,indeed, a witness. Again, we do not know what his exact status was in the org.

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