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Sand Springs Child Gets Off At Wrong Bus Stop During Storm

There are 168 comments on the News on 6 Tulsa story from Sep 22, 2009, titled Sand Springs Child Gets Off At Wrong Bus Stop During Storm. In it, News on 6 Tulsa reports that:

Kaleb Nichols, 5, got off at the wrong bus stop in Sand Springs. "He was just soaking wet from the pouring rain that we got yesterday, and the flooding, and it was just a mother's worst nightmare.

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Mary-Mannford

United States

#146 Sep 23, 2009
too bad you are judging the child. after all 5 year olds are responsible adults you know! Some people have soup for brains.
Sand Springs Mom

Owasso, OK

#147 Sep 23, 2009
Mary-Mannford wrote:
There were things not reported by the reporter. It was 10 blocks from home. The bus driver had the opportunity to hollar at him and tell him it was not his stop but didn't. The mother was waiting at the bus stop. the parents called the school to see if he missed the bus. No one knew where he was.they did search for him but he had been rescued by two ladies. He was taken into ones house where she wrapped him up for warmth,
and then called the police.Much more was not told on the news. I am disappointed in the newsmans coverage. My question is, if the bus driver was having a hard time seeing through the torrential rain, how could a 5 year old boy see any better? And who was the adult here anyway?
Wrong. The child was dropped off a block and a half from his house. This is a FACT. The mother had the opportunity to 1) ask the driver about her child when he didn't get off the bus but didn't (she must have been proud of that hairdoo); and 2) get out of the car and go find her child before he got lost but didn't. Instead she sat in the warm dry car and "peered through the driving rain" while she waited on others to find him. She saw the kids get off the bus and her child wasn't among them. What possible good did she think she was doing continuing to sit there peering through the rain for an hour?

No doubt Nichols is also disappointed in the news coverage. After all, she reported this story to...let 's see....ALL OF THE NEWS OUTLETS?(Give them a call - they will ALL tell you she tried to involve them.) But only the newspaper bit - and they did not write the story favorable to her. Darn the luck!

Next time Cindy - call the school, voice your concerns, work out a solution with them but leave the celebrity status to somebody who deserves it. As far as the notoriety you've gained...as a previous poster so aptly put asked, "how's that working out for you?"

“Say it loud and proud.”

Since: Sep 08

Tulsa, OK

#148 Sep 23, 2009
Oh please it's not like the driver who is new and only there for 4 days should could know all the kids and where they get off at. It was a scary situtation but parents need to take some responsiablilty too. If it's flooded that bad why didn't you go get your kid anyhow. Also what about the other kids on the bus if three others got off then they too knew that the boy got off on the wrong spot so why didn't they say anything?
Josh

Broken Arrow, OK

#149 Sep 24, 2009
obvious wrote:
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if he is not responsible enough, the parent should take responsibility.
He was tagged with his proper stop..missed by driver...Until the child is home, he is the responsibility of the district...and by the way...the same district did this in 07 and said it would not happen again...

Since: Jun 09

Owasso, OK

#150 Sep 24, 2009
78goldwing wrote:
Why was a 5 year old on the bus anyway. When children are school age one parent needs to stay at home to take care of them. We did without all the "necessary" things,,, like cable t.v., cell phones, new car,$150,000.00 dollar home etc... so our children could be cared for by their parents. Give up the crap you don't need and take care of your kids.
While agree that if you have the child you should raise the child, and not a daycare or school, I think your comment was extremely rudely put and demanding. I hope your children grew up in a hppy home and not a depressed and cranky home because you obviously sound like you HAD to go without because of YOUR KIDS. I stayed home for 7 yrs so I agree but now that I can work I cannot afford anything. Times are different and each family is different.
REBECCA

Tulsa, OK

#151 Sep 24, 2009
thank god he is alright!
BA Mom

Tulsa, OK

#152 Sep 24, 2009
we actually had an extra child come home with my 4-yr old last yr. We laughed about it afterward beause it ended well, but I did not know this child's parents aside from seeing them at the school a couple times, my 13 yr old was the only one home when they arrived and another mom, my neighbor, took him back to the school. He was on the wrong bus all together, as was another child just this week, she got on the wrong bus and she does not even live over here and her parents were looking for her. It turned out ok as well I geuss because we dd not hear anything else from it.
They are monitored when getting on the bus at school I geuss on the way to the bus from the school the little boy decided he wanted to come home with my child and play here so he just veered off into her line. The bus drivers should make a list of the childrens names and call them off when he comes to there stop atleast maybe an attendance when dropping them off because when they get on in the morning it is not always that they will ride home or vice cersa since some are checked out thru out the day or brought in late. It might help to turn in a sheet for the attendance that can be looked back at if situations occur. Then if they end up with one too many it will be caught before they are able to get off in a strange neighorhood, wrong bus stop, or encounter strangers.
Parents are required to call and send a note to the school if a child is to ride another bus home with someone else and it has been policy and some drivers pay more attention than others as I know my daughter forgot her note even though I called because she was going home with someone else on a friday (my oldest) she was not aloud on the bus by the driver and she had to be picked up from the school.
MIssy Eaglin-Settles

Sand Springs, OK

#153 Sep 24, 2009
First and foremost the school is liable, by law, for EVERY child until they reach their front door. Therefore the bus drive IS liable for the childs safety. This little boy is FIVE years old, the bus driver stated that after Kaleb had gotten off the bus and crossed the street he realized that it was the wrong stop for Kaleb but since he had already crossed the street he just went on. Mind you, again, he is FIVE and in the middle of, not just a bit of rain, but a very heavy downpour, lightening, and dime to golf ball size hail storm. What also was not stated was that Kaleb WAS NOT let off a block or two from his home it was TWELVE blocks. Kaleb had no idea how to get home from that far away on top of the horrible conditions. His Mother went straight to the school the moment she saw that Kaleb did not get off at his stop. She did contact the authorities and then proceeded to searching herself for her child once she was told by the school that Kaleb was in fact put on the bus. If the best the school, that is entrusted with your child, can do is put a FIVE year old out in a severe storm at the wrong bus stop 12 blocks away then why aren't more of us enraged. It would have been unacceptable for my 13 yr old but at least my 13 yr old would know his own way home and know what precautions to take in such a case. Kaleb is FIVE, the bus driver has admitted that while Kaleb was still in his view he knew he got off at the wrong place, how in the world can anyone justify this driver NOT yelling at Kaleb to get back on the bus, he was at the wrong spot. AND how in the world does he not tell Kalebs mother, who is waiting at the correct bus stop, where he let Kaleb off at? Thank God a good samaritan stopped and helped Kaleb by having a local home owner call 911, because Kaleb had the good sense not to get in the car with a stranger. And thank God Kalebs parents had a sitters phone number on his backpack so they could be contacted in case of an emergency. But more importantly THANK GOD the woman who stopped truly was a good person and not a child molester, kidnapper, or murder.
For those of you blaming the mother for not picking him up from school, last time I checked the bus system was in fact there in order to get your children home safely. Are ALL of you picking your children up from school? People work, some people only have one vehicle, there are a million and one reasons why children ride the bus, but ultimately it boils down to this; if the parent is unable to pick a child up from school for whatever reason, then it is the job of the bus system and its drivers to ensure those children get to and from their DESIGNATED bus stop safely. And it is the legal responsibility of the school to be held liable for that child until they are either 1. with a parent or 2. on their front door step.
Mssy Eaglin ChristaReed

Sand Springs, OK

#154 Sep 24, 2009
Let me make something perfectly clear to all of you, Cindy was TERRIFIED, her 5 year old child was missing in the rain, hail, and lightening. This is NOT about money, this is about ensuring that NO OTHER MOTHER EVER HAS TO FEEL THE FEAR of thinking the worst. And as for you BA MOM 12 blocks is NOT wrong, its obvious to me that you know Cindy by your comments and you apparently don't have much regard for her, but like her or not her 5 year old WAS in fact put off at the wrong stop in a horrible storm numerous blocks from his home, the bus driver did indeed realize the mistake but did nothing to remedy it, Cindy was at the correct bus stop, the bus driver dropped the other kids off and drove off. Knowing that he had put Kaleb off at the wrong location HE should have lingered 2 minutes and let Cindy know where her son was. And this is most definitely not the first time this has happened with this school district and if it takes Cindy airing it to the world to ensure that it doesn't happen to YOUR child then I say "go Cindy". Know the facts before any of you put this on Cindy, she didn't make the mistake the bus driver did. She was doing what a mom should do and that was waiting at the designated bus stop to pick her child up. As far as staying home and giving up the "entertainments" of life in order to stay home and care for children, not everyone has that option, and not everyone has the "niceities" of life, they get by with the bare minimum and still struggle. Stop judging situations you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about. Let your child go missing and see how you handle it.

“Let me out!”

Since: Jul 08

Podunk, Oklahoma

#155 Sep 24, 2009
Quote from the Sand Springs Leader,
"Cindy Nichols stayed at the bus stop -- peering out her windshield through a driving rain storm that made it hard to see more than a few feet -- until 5 p.m. when her husband called to say police had found Caleb.
***Why would you stay at the bus stop until 5:00, what was that for?
Apparently, Caleb had gotten off the bus at 10th Street and McKinley Avenue, two blocks before his designated bus stop, she said.
***2 blocks before his designated stop.
This has gone way out of proportion. Someone made a mistake, no one was hurt, you boy wouldn't be "traumatized" if you didn't make him that way. Let him get over it, and don't make him a "victim" over this. Get over it, get real & get a life!
BA Mom

Tulsa, OK

#156 Sep 24, 2009
Mssy Eaglin ChristaReed wrote:
Let me make something perfectly clear to all of you, Cindy was TERRIFIED, her 5 year old child was missing in the rain, hail, and lightening. This is NOT about money, this is about ensuring that NO OTHER MOTHER EVER HAS TO FEEL THE FEAR of thinking the worst. And as for you BA MOM 12 blocks is NOT wrong, its obvious to me that you know Cindy by your comments and you apparently don't have much regard for her, but like her or not her 5 year old WAS in fact put off at the wrong stop in a horrible storm numerous blocks from his home, the bus driver did indeed realize the mistake but did nothing to remedy it, Cindy was at the correct bus stop, the bus driver dropped the other kids off and drove off. Knowing that he had put Kaleb off at the wrong location HE should have lingered 2 minutes and let Cindy know where her son was. And this is most definitely not the first time this has happened with this school district and if it takes Cindy airing it to the world to ensure that it doesn't happen to YOUR child then I say "go Cindy". Know the facts before any of you put this on Cindy, she didn't make the mistake the bus driver did. She was doing what a mom should do and that was waiting at the designated bus stop to pick her child up. As far as staying home and giving up the "entertainments" of life in order to stay home and care for children, not everyone has that option, and not everyone has the "niceities" of life, they get by with the bare minimum and still struggle. Stop judging situations you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about. Let your child go missing and see how you handle it.
Not sure if you are refferring to my earlier quote or if there is another BA Mom name on this forum, but I do not know Cindy and I do not judge her as a mom myself and I explained 2 other circumstances that have happened in the passed and one of which was just last week.
Typical WT

Broken Arrow, OK

#157 Sep 24, 2009
A Mom wrote:
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Would your 3 year old recognize where they were. yesterday in the storm. This was only a 5 year old, only been to school for a short time and it was storming and raining so hard you could not tell where you were. The mom was waiting at the bus stop where she should have been. Evidentually you have never had a lost child.
Nope my kids are aware of the surroundings unlike others......

“Smile & laugh daily.”

Since: Feb 09

Keystone

#158 Sep 24, 2009
Sand Springs Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Next time Cindy - call the school, voice your concerns, work out a solution with them but leave the celebrity status to somebody who deserves it. As far as the notoriety you've gained...as a previous poster so aptly put asked, "how's that working out for you?"
FYI-the school was called & it was all but blown off.....they were not even willing to work anything out, putting all the blame off on the 5 yr old child who trusted the bus driver to do his job. If the publicity assures that the school system implements changes to make sure this does not happen again, then this did "work out" for those involved.
Sand Springs Mom

Owasso, OK

#159 Sep 24, 2009
Oh, now it's TWELVE blocks? Is it just me or does anyone else find it amusing how the distance of the bus drop-off point to the child's home increases with every telling of the story? Channel six characterized it as Caleb was "wandering HIS neighborhood." Post #27 (Keystone) said he was dropped FIVE blocks from his home. Post #121 (Nichols) states he was dropped off SIX blocks from his home. Post #145 (Mary Mannford) states he was dropped out TEN blocks from his home. And now posts #153 and #154 (Missy Eaglin-Settles) states he was dropped off TWELVE blocks from his home.

The child was dropped off a half block east of 10th and McKinley. This is in fact ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS from the child's house. NOT FIVE, SIX, TEN, OR TWELVE BLOCKS!

I ask again: "What's up with all this deception?"

Bus drivers are obviously not in their line of work for the money. Most are in it because they love children. In this case, we have a bus driver who needed to be looking five different places at the same time with one pair of eyes. One news story said he was distracted by a commotion going on in the back of the bus. He was also watching the traffic and the thunderstorm, all while he had kids exiting the bus. The poor guy failed to notice that Caleb was getting off with the other kids. He did not intentionally put little Caleb in harms way. C'mon, use your head people. He loves these children. His years of service proves that. What possible reason would he have to ignore a five year old who was getting off at the wrong stop in the thunderstorm? He wouldn't and he didn't. Anybody can make a mistake, however. The bus driver is human. Just like you, Keystone, and Mary-Mannford, and Missy Englin-Settles, and Nichols. I'm pretty sure all of you have made a mistake at some time in your life. How would you like your mistake to be maliciously distorted because some hateful people out there wanted to see you burn? That is exactly what you're doing to this bus driver who is trying to be of service to your children, who is trying to do the best he can with what he has to work with. I'm sure nobody would be happier than he to have an extra pair of eyes on board to help out. Unfortunately, that costs money that most school districts don't have. Despite that and despite people like you who have no problem ripping somebody to shreds because of an oversight, he and all the other bus drivers like him will continue to tirelessly serve our children (and in some cases, their unappreciative parents.)

Shame on you.
CINDY NICHOLS

United States

#160 Sep 24, 2009
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Kudos to Mrs. Nichols for replying to all the vituperative people who are castigating her mothering abilities. I only have two questions for her: Will Kaleb be riding the bus tomorrow, or will you be picking him up from school yourself? Just curious.
No Kaleb has not ridden the bus since this incident because he is so scared to get on it. We had to talk him into going to school the next day when he had always loved school!

Lnc

Since: Sep 08

Owasso, OK

#161 Sep 24, 2009
Sand Springs mom

Airing dirty laundry, trash talking anonymously, and getting so obsessed about an incident that you weren't personally involved in shows that you may have personality issues you should address for yourself and for your family. I feel so sorry for you. You obviously have nothing better to do than be the 'Harper Vally PTA' nutcase we all despise. Why don't you clarify your motives for trashing this mother as much as you have, maybe you'll gain a little sympathy in your plight.

Be aware when there is a problem no matter who is to blame and make changes to resolve the problem, not accusations, excuses, and finger pointing. Life will be much easier for you.

Lnc

Since: Sep 08

Owasso, OK

#162 Sep 24, 2009
CINDY NICHOLS wrote:
<quoted text>
No Kaleb has not ridden the bus since this incident because he is so scared to get on it. We had to talk him into going to school the next day when he had always loved school!
Hold that school's policies responsible and demand change so this never happens to any of us mothers again. Do not let them or anyone push you around or shame you in to believing this is your fault or your son's fault, in any way.
Sand Springs Mom

Owasso, OK

#163 Sep 25, 2009
Lnc wrote:
Sand Springs mom
Airing dirty laundry, trash talking anonymously, and getting so obsessed about an incident that you weren't personally involved in shows that you may have personality issues you should address for yourself and for your family. I feel so sorry for you. You obviously have nothing better to do than be the 'Harper Vally PTA' nutcase we all despise. Why don't you clarify your motives for trashing this mother as much as you have, maybe you'll gain a little sympathy in your plight.
Be aware when there is a problem no matter who is to blame and make changes to resolve the problem, not accusations, excuses, and finger pointing. Life will be much easier for you.
Lnc wrote:
Sand Springs mom
Airing dirty laundry, trash talking anonymously, and getting so obsessed about an incident that you weren't personally involved in shows that you may have personality issues you should address for yourself and for your family. I feel so sorry for you. You obviously have nothing better to do than be the 'Harper Vally PTA' nutcase we all despise. Why don't you clarify your motives for trashing this mother as much as you have, maybe you'll gain a little sympathy in your plight.
Be aware when there is a problem no matter who is to blame and make changes to resolve the problem, not accusations, excuses, and finger pointing. Life will be much easier for you.
1) If factually illustrating the obvious hyperbole and malicious distortion of the truth being leveled against the bus driver by Nichols is "airing dirty laundry" then I'm guilty.

2) If standing up for truth and standing up for what it right is a "personality issue", then it's one that I'm proud to say I possess and would be proud to pass down to my children.

3) If you're not interested in truth, don't read my posts. Me obsessed? Ehhh, more like "tenacious" -- a character trait that has served me well.

4) How do you know that I was not personally involved? Do you think this event took place in a bubble? There were witnesses everywhere - on the bus, outside the bus, police officers, school officials, media. How do you know that I don't have first hand knowledge of the situation?

5) I have never said that ideas should not be shared to prevent this unfortunate situation from occurring in the future. Of course we should all look for answers.

6) I AM asking why the facts are being distorted by Nichols and the people who have taken up her cause? If you're looking for psychological pathology, you might start there.
Food for thought

Owasso, OK

#164 Sep 25, 2009
Ms Nichols, you are only two months into a 13 year relationship with Caleb's school. As a parent who has had children in the school system for over 15 years, I can tell you that a cooperative partnership with the school is KEY to school success. I would imagine this incident has left a bitter taste in the mouths of alot of people that you will be dealing with during Caleb's school years. In the future it might be wise to keep in mind the old adage that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. IMO, you and Caleb would have been better off in the long run had you sat down with schools officials and discussed a plan to make positive changes instead of involving the media which only opened the door for the criticism you've been receiving

Just my opinion, of course...
BA Mom

Tulsa, OK

#165 Sep 25, 2009
CINDY NICHOLS wrote:
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No Kaleb has not ridden the bus since this incident because he is so scared to get on it. We had to talk him into going to school the next day when he had always loved school!
I posted #152 and wanted to let you know keep your head up, something does need to be done. However the school will do nothing it is not there responsibilty and bus transportation is not their department. Call the bus transportation a new system needs to be implimented for all school districts. I assure you it is not the first time this year, I am sure several incidents in the passed have occured and there will be more to come. I beleive an attendance or some sort of roll call should be done when taking children home from school. There are policies for children not being on a bus they do not belong on, and some bus drivers, the ones that have been driving the same bus and familiar with there kids on the bus, do enforce these laws but others do not. If an attendance was used and logged where the children got off at and if they were on the bus at time of drop off then mistakes like this would not happen. It would not be hard to do. I will back you up on this.
Of course I said we could laugh about my situation after because everything turned out ok. But what if my 13 year old had no one she could get a hold of to take the child back to school? He DID come to a strangers house. And the girl last week her parents and others were looking for her atleast more than 1/2 hr to hr maybe more. I know that maybe these people say well it wasn't the drivers fault but if it was there child or when a child finally comes up missing or dead what will they say then. A simple attendance sheet with a check by the name and check stating they got off on correct bus stop or to list extra children that go home with friends and who they got off the bus with should not be that hard to do.
This would also help in cases of real missing children. And to everyone-Isn't this worth it at all?

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