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Nuclear Casino - Say No To Limerick Casino

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Michelle

Pottstown, PA

#1 Jan 16, 2006
Not sure if you have been following the activity concerning the proposed Casino in our backyards. In any case, there is a site ( http://www.stopthecasinos.com ) that has lots of information on this topic and an online petetion regarding the proposed Borgata Casino on the Limerick Nuclear Plant property.

Check it out and be sure to sign the online petition. Pass this information on to friends, family neighbors and anyone that might be affected by this.

The more folks that sign the petetion, the greater chance we have.

http://www.stopthecasinos.com

Since: Dec 05

Palo Alto, CA

#2 Jan 16, 2006
Michelle wrote:
Not sure if you have been following the activity concerning the proposed Casino in our backyards. In any case, there is a site ( http://www.stopthecasinos.com ) that has lots of information on this topic and an online petetion regarding the proposed Borgata Casino on the Limerick Nuclear Plant property.

Check it out and be sure to sign the online petition. Pass this information on to friends, family neighbors and anyone that might be affected by this.

The more folks that sign the petetion, the greater chance we have.

http://www.stopthecasinos.com
...cause it'd be horrible to corrupt the area by putting a casino next to the NUCLEAR POWER PLANT.

LOL!!!!!
HM Limerick

Pottstown, PA

#3 Jan 19, 2006
newt wrote:
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...cause it'd be horrible to corrupt the area by putting a casino next to the NUCLEAR POWER PLANT.

LOL!!!!!
The area isn't corrupted by a Nuclear Power Plant. It, in fact, provides the area with valuable POWER. The view isn't the best, I agree. However, a casino would bring more crime and traffic and socail problems to the area while taking away money from the people.

Since: Dec 05

Palo Alto, CA

#4 Jan 24, 2006
HM Limerick wrote:
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The area isn't corrupted by a Nuclear Power Plant. It, in fact, provides the area with valuable POWER. The view isn't the best, I agree. However, a casino would bring more crime and traffic and socail problems to the area while taking away money from the people.
The only way it takes money away from the people, is if their irresponsible and gamble all their money away. Do we get pissed when a new movie theatre opens and people have their money "taken away" when they see a movie. Do people get pissed when an Indian tribe opens a tax-free smoke shop that takes money away from other places that sell tobacco? How about when the tribes set up a cheap gas station and take money away from other gas stations? What this comes down to is people not willing to take responsibility for themselves and their communities and using the Indian casinos as a scapegoat for their problems.
Carl

United States

#5 Jan 25, 2006
I honestly do not have a problem with it. I live in Pottstown, so I'm closer than Phoenixville would be. Is there crime in Atlantic City, Obviously, but that is because they plopped like 7 casinos in close proximity to each other in a bad neighborhood to start with. This is not a high crime area and it's only one casino which I don't think will draw a large crime factor. Will it increase, possibly, but that is why Limerick Township has already addressed that if they are to go along with this, a good portion of the money that will be made by the township from this endeavor will be put into additional police force. As far as the traffic, we are going to be faced with this issue sooner or later anyway. Stopping the casino would just postpone the inevitable not stop the overcrowding of 422 from happening. It's already happening and it's not like you'll be running into a lot of casino traffic on Monday morning at 7am. I look at it as an opportunity for real business growth, so that we all don't have to drive to King of Prussia just for a decent paying job. This argument is coming from the same people that are exstatic about how much there property values have gone up since they have bought their houses in the "Country". The values are only going up so much because this is now an area that is becoming more attractive to people. That doesn't only bring hundreds of developments of McMansions, but also and increase in business and entertainment. It's a normal process. If you would like to get away from development, move to the north central part of the state.
HM Limerick

Pottstown, PA

#6 Jan 25, 2006
newt wrote:
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The only way it takes money away from the people, is if their irresponsible and gamble all their money away. Do we get pissed when a new movie theatre opens and people have their money "taken away" when they see a movie. Do people get pissed when an Indian tribe opens a tax-free smoke shop that takes money away from other places that sell tobacco? How about when the tribes set up a cheap gas station and take money away from other gas stations? What this comes down to is people not willing to take responsibility for themselves and their communities and using the Indian casinos as a scapegoat for their problems.
For valid services, it obviously is not irresposible to pay for services rendered. Most businesses are actively trying to serve and benefit their customers! In casinos, the house always wins. The odds are stacked against those going to a casino. It doesn't help that gambling is an Addictive game and that casinios serve alcohol to its patrons 24 hours a day. More ways for them to stack the deck. That is not responsible and does not serve the customer's interests.

The only people getting rich in a casino are the owners, who are not from Limerick, not from Montgomery County and not even from Pennsylvania.

We do need to be wise in how we grow our township. We want to maintain house prices and keep people in Limerick. Many people have commented that they didn't want to move to a place with a casino, and therefore, the customer base of Limerick will shrink if a casino moves into town. Most people really never had the illusion that Limerick is really "the country," but they did hope it would be a place to sprout roots and raise young families. We know that more housing and businesses need to and will be built.

As for the jobs that a casino will bring to town, I am not convinced that these will be great jobs. It would not be my idea of a great job to have to go to work in a skimpy outfit, put up with tipsy people ogling me all day and get unpaid leave if I gain a few pounds.

Let's try to attract companies with better values than that!

Plus, if we need to use a large portion of the revenue from a casino to pay for more police officers, the township will not be benefiting fiscally.

Let's at least have a plan for 422. Right now there is funding not to expand 422 in this area, but to do studies on traffic. And those aren't even supposed to be finished for a few years.
rich

Pottstown, PA

#7 Jan 26, 2006
not sure of your age however, Atlantic City was not a bad area to beginwith. It was a delightful beachfront community prior to the casinos - similar to wildwood. Now its a dump that attracts the dreggs of society. NO LIMERICK CASINO

Since: Dec 05

Palo Alto, CA

#8 Jan 26, 2006
rich wrote:
not sure of your age however, Atlantic City was not a bad area to beginwith. It was a delightful beachfront community prior to the casinos - similar to wildwood. Now its a dump that attracts the dreggs of society. NO LIMERICK CASINO
ok michelle....
rich

Pottstown, PA

#9 Jan 26, 2006
and do you really think that the casinos pay well? Most are part time, no benefits. We can do better than Casinos to generate revenue from respectable companies
newt wrote:
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ok michelle....
Carl

United States

#10 Feb 3, 2006
Actually, I disagree, there is a customer service there and that would be entertainment. Casino’s supply entertainment for people that enjoy gambling. Just like Tobacco companies supply cigarette smokers with the enjoyment of smoking. Is it necessarily good for them, of course not, but that is why we live in the USA where we can choose whether or not to do these things. If I want to lose my money gambling, then so be it. If I want to die from lung cancer, so be it. If I don’t want to be ogled at when I’m working then don’t take that job as a waitress, we have these choices. Addiction is the word too commonly used as an excuse by people that are irresponsible and make bad decisions as a way for something else to take the blame. The same guy that will lose his rent/mortgage money there is already doing it at the numerous private clubs in the area whether it be illegal poker machines or club money tickets. Just a different venue, that’s all.

Some guy in Texas is getting rich off of what I pay at the pump and the corporate headquarters for PECO an Exelon Company is in Chicago. Don’t hear anybody complaining about this and these are everyday basic needs. It would stand to reason that fighting for local companies to take care of our basic living needs would make more sense then fighting over somebody getting rich in another state on what is really, or at least to the responsible, a luxury entertainment business.

If you have read anything on the business growth in Limerick, it currently isn’t going so well and they are having a very hard time getting larger companies to move into the township. And yes, there are people that will find the Limerick area less attractive because of the casino, but there will also be people that will find it more attractive that maybe would’ve never thought of even moving there. And I don’t think a lot of people do realize that the progress will come to these areas. There were people fighting the opening of a Redner’s down near where I live. It’s a grocery store for God’s sake. Needless to say they held up the convenience for everybody else that wanted it there for about 10 months.

As far as the jobs, nobody is saying that you have to work there. I wouldn’t want to pick up garbage for a living, but there are also people that would rather do that then sit in an office all day. I know that the numbers will not be as high, but the average maid in Las Vegas makes 75k of reported wages. That does not include the tips that they didn’t report. Waitresses and bartenders come in around the 50k mark. Even if you strip those down 20% you will have at least 40k for the bartenders and such. Not too bad if you ask me. Especially for unskilled labor.

And it’s not that they have to use a large portion for more police officers, it’s what they are budgeting for in a just in case measure. This could not really be needed. Nobody would know until it was actually there.

They do actually have a plan for 422. Reading the plans for the Philadelphia Premium Outlets, the Chelsea Property Group actually has offered to help pay for possible 422 ramp renovations for the complex. Boyd has also had a study done and completed by a Pottstown company in which the recommendation is to build another set of ramps near the property location. Not sure exactly where at, but they do have plans drawn up. You can actually find the story in the Mercury 2/1/2006.

I understand that some people don’t want it there because they have a moral objection to gambling and that’s fine. But you can’t always just impose your will on people that might actually be responsible enough to handle there money, and might not mind it being there. There is two sides to every story. Did I cover everything?
JMF

Apex, NC

#11 Feb 3, 2006
I think it is a great idea. How many jobs will this create? I know I have many friends in the area that are seeking employment. It would also be great for the local economy.

Go for it!
Concerned

Pottstown, PA

#12 Feb 3, 2006
JMF wrote:
I think it is a great idea. How many jobs will this create? I know I have many friends in the area that are seeking employment. It would also be great for the local economy.

Go for it!
They haven't announced how many jobs they will create Limerick but by judging what the Allentown casino-hopeful (Aztar) rep said, most of the jobs will be part-time (they use this full-time equivalent term to mislead the public). I looked up many of the casino-type jobs that are applicable to a slots only parlor on some salary sites, and even if they were full time, they only make $20-25,000 per year (note that part-time jobs don't have benefits), and many jobs are not eligible for tips. In addition, it is documented that casinos often lure trained employees and the patrons from existing restaurants, etc, thus, no net jobs are created in the long run.
Concerned

Pottstown, PA

#13 Feb 3, 2006
Carl wrote:
Actually, I disagree, there is a customer service there and that would be entertainment. Casino�s supply entertainment for people that enjoy gambling. Just like Tobacco companies supply cigarette smokers with the enjoyment of smoking. Is it necessarily good for them, of course not, but that is why we live in the USA where we can choose whether or not to do these things. If I want to lose my money gambling, then so be it. If I want to die from lung cancer, so be it. If I don�t want to be ogled at when I�m working then don�t take that job as a waitress, we have these choices. Addiction is the word too commonly used as an excuse by people that are irresponsible and make bad decisions as a way for something else to take the blame. The same guy that will lose his rent/mortgage money there is already doing it at the numerous private clubs in the area whether it be illegal poker machines or club money tickets. Just a different venue, that�s all.

Some guy in Texas is getting rich off of what I pay at the pump and the corporate headquarters for PECO an Exelon Company is in Chicago. Don�t hear anybody complaining about this and these are everyday basic needs. It would stand to reason that fighting for local companies to take care of our basic living needs would make more sense then fighting over somebody getting rich in another state on what is really, or at least to the responsible, a luxury entertainment business.

I understand that some people don�t want it there because they have a moral objection to gambling and that�s fine. But you can�t always just impose your will on people that might actually be responsible enough to handle there money, and might not mind it being there. There is two sides to every story. Did I cover everything?
I'm not sure where you got your numbers, but I did a search at Monster.com , which I believe is probably in the ball park, and this was the result for maids in Las Vegas...

"The median expected salary for a typical Housekeeper in Las Vegas, NV, is $21,212. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies"

Other than that, it definitely has been in the news that there are a lot of people upset that Exxon is making record amounts of money while the rest of us struggle with paying for our biweekly tank of gas.
Jim from Sanatog

Boyertown, PA

#14 Feb 7, 2006
No to the casino! This will be just the beginning. Gambling does not create any wealth in an area. It is non-productive money. It creates nothing. The jobs it creates are low paying part-time jobs with no benefits. It will bring an Ugly 20 story building. We already have the towers, we don't need anything else.

What ever happened to homeland security. What risks would this bring to being just across the street from a nuclear power plant? How will the area be able to evacuate if there is a problem at the power plant? The roads cannot handle the present population. Check out the evacuation of the Three Mile Island disaster and tell me that we can handle it in a larger populated area.

This casino will be a precurser to a much larger unit in the future. Slots are only a foot in the door to a full-time 24 hour 7 days a week casino. Do we really need all this traffic all week.

This is not the place for a casino. The ones in Philadelphia and Allentown will be close enough. If you can't afford to travel then you can't afford to gamble.
Carl

United States

#15 Feb 7, 2006
Concerned wrote:

I'm not sure where you got your numbers, but I did a search at Monster.com , which I believe is probably in the ball park, and this was the result for maids in Las Vegas...

"The median expected salary for a typical Housekeeper in Las Vegas, NV, is $21,212. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies"

Other than that, it definitely has been in the news that there are a lot of people upset that Exxon is making record amounts of money while the rest of us struggle with paying for our biweekly tank of gas.

Carl Wrote:

Actually what you looked up is probably accurate, but you would do better to check out salary surveys done in Las Vegas. Most of the national surveys done only include the base salary. I have seen plenty of these also with about the same numbers, but if you check out one of the Las Vegas sites like the Las Vegas Advisor is I think where I got those numbers from, you will see that it's usually around 20-25k for base salary and the tips will usually jack them up to anywhere from 50k up to 100k. I believe the article was called,'How much money can I make?' Now understand to the 100k level, you need to be working the right venues, that is why I did not even mention that amount. This would be average with tips included for full time employees. To clarify everything.
Carl

United States

#16 Feb 7, 2006
And by the way, the bottom line is that there WILL be a casino in Limerick, it's just a matter of when. From the way I'm reading Limerick will probably not be one of the initial locations to get a casino, so your fight against it initially will be won. There are only two standalone licenses and one will definitely go to either the Tropicana resort planned for Allentown or the Sands resort planned for Bethlehem. One or the other as you can not currently by law have 2 casinos within 20 miles of each other. The other realistically will probably go to the investors of Pocono Manor site as that is a resort community and it would make more sense for them to put it there before Limerick.

However, I do think that Limerick is probably 3rd on the list from what I read and that it will probably be ok'd as soon as they have some operating ones in place. Boyd Gaming did not pay 30 some odd million dollars for a piece of land if they didn't already have some sort of verification that they would have a resort there eventually. The racetracks will probably have slots by sometime in late 2006 or 2007 and the initial slot parlors will probably be operational by 2008. Limerick will probably be put into the 2nd of what I'm sure has been figured out to be fazes of casino building in the state. You can probably expect it to be ok'd by 2008 at that sight and operational by 2010. This is probably the reality of things whether we like it or not.
HM Limerick

Pottstown, PA

#17 Feb 7, 2006
Carl wrote:
And by the way, the bottom line is that there WILL be a casino in Limerick, it's just a matter of when. From the way I'm reading Limerick will probably not be one of the initial locations to get a casino, so your fight against it initially will be won. There are only two standalone licenses and one will definitely go to either the Tropicana resort planned for Allentown or the Sands resort planned for Bethlehem. One or the other as you can not currently by law have 2 casinos within 20 miles of each other. The other realistically will probably go to the investors of Pocono Manor site as that is a resort community and it would make more sense for them to put it there before Limerick.

However, I do think that Limerick is probably 3rd on the list from what I read and that it will probably be ok'd as soon as they have some operating ones in place. Boyd Gaming did not pay 30 some odd million dollars for a piece of land if they didn't already have some sort of verification that they would have a resort there eventually. The racetracks will probably have slots by sometime in late 2006 or 2007 and the initial slot parlors will probably be operational by 2008. Limerick will probably be put into the 2nd of what I'm sure has been figured out to be fazes of casino building in the state. You can probably expect it to be ok'd by 2008 at that sight and operational by 2010. This is probably the reality of things whether we like it or not.
What kind of insider are you that you have all this information that the general public including the press does not have? I find it very hard to believe that you are a regular citizen. If Boyd had "some sort of verification that they will have a resort there eventually" then the PGCB and the PA goverment is crooked, and we have a lot bigger problems than casinos.
HM Limerick

Pottstown, PA

#18 Feb 7, 2006
Carl wrote:
Concerned wrote:

I'm not sure where you got your numbers, but I did a search at Monster.com , which I believe is probably in the ball park, and this was the result for maids in Las Vegas...

"The median expected salary for a typical Housekeeper in Las Vegas, NV, is $21,212. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies"

Other than that, it definitely has been in the news that there are a lot of people upset that Exxon is making record amounts of money while the rest of us struggle with paying for our biweekly tank of gas.

Carl Wrote:

Actually what you looked up is probably accurate, but you would do better to check out salary surveys done in Las Vegas. Most of the national surveys done only include the base salary. I have seen plenty of these also with about the same numbers, but if you check out one of the Las Vegas sites like the Las Vegas Advisor is I think where I got those numbers from, you will see that it's usually around 20-25k for base salary and the tips will usually jack them up to anywhere from 50k up to 100k. I believe the article was called,'How much money can I make?' Now understand to the 100k level, you need to be working the right venues, that is why I did not even mention that amount. This would be average with tips included for full time employees. To clarify everything.
The search I did is specific to Las Vegas. I looked at other sites than just monster.com . I looked at the website you were talking about and could find nothing about salaries. Plus, they wanted a $50 membership fee. Maybe they give it to the maids to boost their salary projection. Seriously, even Boyd's impact report (what little part of it is public) says that the jobs are well below the average salary for Limerick.
Dave

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Feb 9, 2006
I think it would be a possitive & good idea, if there would be a contract,where there could be a family organized thing& the arketecks could make it union!
DONNA

AOL

#20 Feb 9, 2006
FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDRENS FUTURE...SAY NO TO CASINOS.

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