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Economy Forces Bay Area Cities To Cancel July 4th Pyrotechnics

There are 21 comments on the CBS Local story from Jul 1, 2011, titled Economy Forces Bay Area Cities To Cancel July 4th Pyrotechnics. In it, CBS Local reports that:

Several long-running Fourth of July fireworks shows in the Bay Area will not happen this year, and even cities that can still afford to host them can barely afford to keep their community traditions alive.

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Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#1 Jul 2, 2011
“The extent to which you don’t have community celebrations, people feel less connected to each other and they’re not engaged in celebrating their common history and culture,” McKenzie said.

These activities draw young and old together in a way that few urban rituals do, so their disappearance has other less tangible consequences for a city’s quality of life.

“Children don’t get introduced to those community rituals and celebrations. Older people who’ve enjoyed them over the years don’t get to enjoy them again. They don’t come out of their homes and interact with members of the community,” McKenzie said.

Joe

Livermore, CA

#2 Jul 2, 2011
What we need is everyone to band together and go to the city council and protest at every meeting until they allow us to legally use safe and sane fireworks like dublin. I don't need a big aerial show, but at least allow me to put on a little fireworks for my kids, without getting ticketed by the police. Having neighbors out together putting on some safe and sane fireworks is good for a neighborhood. Lets do this!!!!!!!! Plus it is a win win for the community groups that get to sell the fireworks

Since: Oct 10

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#3 Jul 2, 2011
Joe wrote:
What we need is everyone to band together and go to the city council and protest at every meeting until they allow us to legally use safe and sane fireworks like dublin. I don't need a big aerial show, but at least allow me to put on a little fireworks for my kids, without getting ticketed by the police. Having neighbors out together putting on some safe and sane fireworks is good for a neighborhood. Lets do this!!!!!!!! Plus it is a win win for the community groups that get to sell the fireworks
Or just do it in your backyard, nobody will ticket you. The people who get tickets are the ones setting off the roman candles in the residential neighborhoods and in parks, or on school grounds. Don't be stupid and reckless with your fireworks, or out in public in plain view doing it, and the cops will most likely leave you alone either because they can't see it, or they didn't get any calls about it.

Since: Jul 11

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#4 Jul 2, 2011
Livermore should allow safe and sane fireworks inside city limits. THey should also allow Livermore based non-profits sell fireworks to fund their projects. Livermore could then make some $$$ towards putting on the aerial display. It's a win for all.

Since: Oct 10

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#5 Jul 2, 2011
TrueRealist wrote:
Livermore should allow safe and sane fireworks inside city limits. THey should also allow Livermore based non-profits sell fireworks to fund their projects. Livermore could then make some $$$ towards putting on the aerial display. It's a win for all.
That seems reasonable, after all, Dublin isn't burning down every year. And its legal to use fireworks there, why is Livermore any different? I'm sure the concern is public safety, so hence "safe and sane". If Dublin can do it without accidents and over-burdening their emergency services, we should be able to as well.

I just spent $40 on fireworks in Dublin, that benefits Dublin High School. I'd much prefer to have bought fireworks in Livermore, and have it benefit our own schools.
Sam

Livermore, CA

#6 Jul 2, 2011
Okay, then do somthing about it, go to the council meetings and get it changed for next year

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#7 Jul 3, 2011
Sam wrote:
Okay, then do somthing about it, go to the council meetings and get it changed for next year
Because they listen to the citizens. Where you been, Sam?

Since: Oct 10

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#8 Jul 3, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
“The extent to which you don’t have community celebrations, people feel less connected to each other and they’re not engaged in celebrating their common history and culture,” McKenzie said.
These activities draw young and old together in a way that few urban rituals do, so their disappearance has other less tangible consequences for a city’s quality of life.
“Children don’t get introduced to those community rituals and celebrations. Older people who’ve enjoyed them over the years don’t get to enjoy them again. They don’t come out of their homes and interact with members of the community,” McKenzie said.
Mike, also worth noting that as this country becomes more and more balkanized by immigration, the less "common history and culture" there is. What is Fourth of July to some wetback? Means nothing. Cinco de Mayo, on the other hand, is a huge deal.

Same with Asians and Indians. Think they give a crap about the American war for Independence? Its not like they had any relatives who participated and/or died in it.

I went to a Fourth of July event once where nobody around us was singing the Star Spangled Banner, because these FOBs didn't even know the words. Hell they might not even have spoken the language. "Common history and culture" my ass.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#9 Jul 3, 2011
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, also worth noting that as this country becomes more and more balkanized by immigration, the less "common history and culture" there is. What is Fourth of July to some wetback? Means nothing. Cinco de Mayo, on the other hand, is a huge deal.
Same with Asians and Indians. Think they give a crap about the American war for Independence? Its not like they had any relatives who participated and/or died in it.
I went to a Fourth of July event once where nobody around us was singing the Star Spangled Banner, because these FOBs didn't even know the words. Hell they might not even have spoken the language. "Common history and culture" my ass.
Wong anon. You sound like you were there in 1776. I get a feeling that you view all immigration as losers. 4th of July has to do with freedom. I think 81 hater is right about you. You seem to be a raciest pig. Are you part of the KKK? I will guarantee that all of the people that got their citizenship this year understand the true meaning of the 4th more then you are me. They had to work for it.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#10 Jul 3, 2011
Sam wrote:
Okay, then do somthing about it, go to the council meetings and get it changed for next year
What good will it do? If I dont have the police and firefighting union backing me up they could care less. and its not my job to tell them what to do. Its there job to do the right thing. Its funny how LARPD came out and said they had no cuts this year. I know everyone that I talked to is Very mad that we are not going to have the fireworks. When we vote again I think the number one question to all candidates SHOULD be "what do you plan on doing about the fireworks show?" Keep in mind from what I read is the city cut the first 40k from there budget and LARPD said they could not pay the extra 40 k for the show. and then the police department said they did not have the extra funding for all the overtime that day. I can see why the police would say that. Its because a cop makes about $60 a hour and time in a half would be about $85 a hour then add to that $25 a hr for pension cost, add another $1,000 because cops get a $13,000 check in June to cover any holidays that they might have to work and you can see its not cheep to have 50 cops work that day

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#11 Jul 3, 2011
TrueRealist wrote:
Livermore should allow safe and sane fireworks inside city limits. THey should also allow Livermore based non-profits sell fireworks to fund their projects. Livermore could then make some $$$ towards putting on the aerial display. It's a win for all.
That is something they should have thought of.
Joe

Livermore, CA

#12 Jul 3, 2011
Actually look it up online. a Livermore cop at top step makes $36 an hour. No where close to 60 an hour, or even the 80 an hour overtime you quoted. They also don't get 13,000 check in june, facts are wrong, regardless, its an LARPD issue but i do agree with you about Anon, he is a racist pig. I think i will go to the next council meeting to make argue with fireworks in livermore, who is with me. Dublin can do it, why can't we. It's a win win for the citizens and the community groups that sell the fireworks. I would love to legally set them off in my front yard for my kids every year. Something has to happen, its not feeling very patriotic. I don't care about aerial fireworks as much as i want to set off safe and sane legally
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>What good will it do? If I dont have the police and firefighting union backing me up they could care less. and its not my job to tell them what to do. Its there job to do the right thing. Its funny how LARPD came out and said they had no cuts this year. I know everyone that I talked to is Very mad that we are not going to have the fireworks. When we vote again I think the number one question to all candidates SHOULD be "what do you plan on doing about the fireworks show?" Keep in mind from what I read is the city cut the first 40k from there budget and LARPD said they could not pay the extra 40 k for the show. and then the police department said they did not have the extra funding for all the overtime that day. I can see why the police would say that. Its because a cop makes about $60 a hour and time in a half would be about $85 a hour then add to that $25 a hr for pension cost, add another $1,000 because cops get a $13,000 check in June to cover any holidays that they might have to work and you can see its not cheep to have 50 cops work that day

Since: Jul 11

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#13 Jul 3, 2011
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>Actually look it up online. a Livermore cop at top step makes $36 an hour. No where close to 60 an hour, or even the 80 an hour overtime you quoted. They also don't get 13,000 check in june, facts are wrong, regardless, its an LARPD issue but i do agree with you about Anon, he is a racist pig. I think i will go to the next council meeting to make argue with fireworks in livermore, who is with me. Dublin can do it, why can't we. It's a win win for the citizens and the community groups that sell the fireworks. I would love to legally set them off in my front yard for my kids every year. Something has to happen, its not feeling very patriotic. I don't care about aerial fireworks as much as i want to set off safe and sane legally
The $60/HR may not be hard cash but it's a fully loaded health and welfare package. Factor in insurance, retirement, annual allocations I would guarantee they're pushing a COST of $60/HR

Ps - have you ever been to a city council meeting? They're a joke. Predetermined and there's nothing a citizen can say or do to sway the council. End of story.

Since: Oct 10

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#14 Jul 3, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>Wong anon. You sound like you were there in 1776. I get a feeling that you view all immigration as losers. 4th of July has to do with freedom. I think 81 hater is right about you. You seem to be a raciest pig. Are you part of the KKK? I will guarantee that all of the people that got their citizenship this year understand the true meaning of the 4th more then you are me. They had to work for it.
Ooh, the KKK. The big bad bogeyman of anyone losing an argument which offends their sense of racial (white) guilt or inflames the passions of their grievance group - pure political correctness and racial agitation. That's a scary cliche. I'm in my place now - how dare I carry on after an attempted (although utterly pathetic) slear such as that?

The reality Mike, is that first of all I was referring with my post mostly to illegals; as to the very small percentage of immigrants that are legal, SOME of them might have had to "work for it", others fell into it by chain migration or amnesty, the visa lottery, or being sponsored for it by big business loopholes like the H1-B Visa.

Secondly, just because someone has received citizenship doesn't automatically mean they or their family have made any stake in this country whatsoever, nor that they have any education or affinity for American history, including the colonial struggles.

Incidentally its not the immigrants who are providing the manpower and being the fodder for our cannons of war. How many Indian or Chinese or Mexican immigrants are among our war dead? I thought they were supposed to be more patriotic than real Americans, according to you. What about learning the language, adopting the customs, in short, assimilating?

Have a good Fourth, if you're done wallowing in your white guilt.

Since: Oct 10

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#15 Jul 3, 2011
Joe wrote:
Actually look it up online. a Livermore cop at top step makes $36 an hour. No where close to 60 an hour, or even the 80 an hour overtime you quoted. They also don't get 13,000 check in june, facts are wrong, regardless, its an LARPD issue but i do agree with you about Anon, he is a racist pig. I think i will go to the next council meeting to make argue with fireworks in livermore, who is with me. Dublin can do it, why can't we. It's a win win for the citizens and the community groups that sell the fireworks. I would love to legally set them off in my front yard for my kids every year. Something has to happen, its not feeling very patriotic. I don't care about aerial fireworks as much as i want to set off safe and sane legally
<quoted text>
Joe, I have no idea what you're referring to, you should probably post a link to your source. I assume the number you're talking about is for a basic police officer - no title. And even then it seems suspect given that the median pay in LPD is over 100K.

Since: Jul 11

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#16 Jul 3, 2011
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>Ooh, the KKK. The big bad bogeyman of anyone losing an argument which offends their sense of racial (white) guilt or inflames the passions of their grievance group - pure political correctness and racial agitation. That's a scary cliche. I'm in my place now - how dare I carry on after an attempted (although utterly pathetic) slear such as that?

The reality Mike, is that first of all I was referring with my post mostly to illegals; as to the very small percentage of immigrants that are legal, SOME of them might have had to "work for it", others fell into it by chain migration or amnesty, the visa lottery, or being sponsored for it by big business loopholes like the H1-B Visa.

Secondly, just because someone has received citizenship doesn't automatically mean they or their family have made any stake in this country whatsoever, nor that they have any education or affinity for American history, including the colonial struggles.

Incidentally its not the immigrants who are providing the manpower and being the fodder for our cannons of war. How many Indian or Chinese or Mexican immigrants are among our war dead? I thought they were supposed to be more patriotic than real Americans, according to you. What about learning the language, adopting the customs, in short, assimilating?

Have a good Fourth, if you're done wallowing in your white guilt.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not feeling guilty for something that your ancestors may or may not have participated in 200+ years ago.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#17 Jul 4, 2011
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Ooh, the KKK. The big bad bogeyman of anyone losing an argument which offends their sense of racial (white) guilt or inflames the passions of their grievance group - pure political correctness and racial agitation. That's a scary cliche. I'm in my place now - how dare I carry on after an attempted (although utterly pathetic) slear such as that?
T
Anon what drugs did you take today? I did not know that I was in a argument. That is about the stupidest thing you have said. Do you drink? Now back to these crazy non citizens you talk about. I have been working for one for over a year now and I will bet she has paid a hell of a lot more tax then you will pay in you life time. They are the people I am talking about. Now I know how you have to have the last word so go right ahead. I am done with this. Most of it is over my head. I try not to live in the past.

Since: Oct 10

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#18 Jul 4, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>Anon what drugs did you take today? I did not know that I was in a argument. That is about the stupidest thing you have said. Do you drink? Now back to these crazy non citizens you talk about. I have been working for one for over a year now and I will bet she has paid a hell of a lot more tax then you will pay in you life time. They are the people I am talking about. Now I know how you have to have the last word so go right ahead. I am done with this. Most of it is over my head. I try not to live in the past.
Mike just because you're apathetic doesn't mean we all have to be. Are there successful immigrants, sure. But is that the norm, particularly for illegals? And remember the bigger picture, Mike - there's only so many ways to slice the pie. But don't you worry your pretty little head about it - keep on working, paying those taxes, after all, 3 million wetbacks in CA are depending on you - to put food on their table and educate their kids in their language and pay the bill they won't pay when they go to the ER when they have the sniffles.
Hmmmm

Vernalis, CA

#19 Jul 4, 2011
Really......back on to pay and taxes. Now I don't normally lower myself to name calling but you guys really are absolute losers with no life what so ever. Go out and get a hobby, something to take up your time rather than sitting in a corner crying because you make crap for money, just like the rest of us that still seem to stay happy with our lives.
Fred

Livermore, CA

#20 Jul 4, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
<quoted text>Wong anon. You sound like you were there in 1776. I get a feeling that you view all immigration as losers. 4th of July has to do with freedom. I think 81 hater is right about you. You seem to be a raciest pig. Are you part of the KKK? I will guarantee that all of the people that got their citizenship this year understand the true meaning of the 4th more then you are me. They had to work for it.
Yes, to 'earn citizenship' candidates have to pass an extensive US History test. After the exam, the immigrants don't give a shit about the USA, they only care about the 'mo free shit' that they'll collect for the rest of their lives AND have a huge party honoring their own culture as they 'sponsor' other free loaders who will come to America and repeat the cycle. For passing a test, those people become eliglbie for benefits and handouts that you and me could NEVER get irregardless of the fact that our ancestors fought for America at one time or another, we were born here and work and pay taxes. Considering all of that, I guess you're right to think that these immigrants are patriots. HAHAHA

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