24 Hour Fitness implements new finger...

24 Hour Fitness implements new fingerprint program

There are 53 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Aug 13, 2010, titled 24 Hour Fitness implements new fingerprint program. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A new cardless check-in program that launched in Northern California this month allows members to gain entry to the 78 24 Hour Fitness facilities from Santa Cruz to San Francisco using their fingerprints rather than traditional, gym-issued cards.

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happyunit

Santa Cruz, CA

#6 Aug 13, 2010
Link to ICE wrote:
I would be WONDERFUL if they would link up to the ICE system. Any way more illegals get picked up and returned home is a good thing.
I hate going to work out amongst illegal aliens just as much as I hate having them around me anywhere. I would be much happier in a world without illegal aliens.
It sounds like you spend a lot of your time with hateful thought in your mind. Perhaps you could find some things that are happy, friendly, and helpful to focus on instead of so much hatred. The world would certainly be a better place.
Mr Obvious

Los Banos, CA

#7 Aug 13, 2010
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

... in your leotard.
joe

Rohnert Park, CA

#9 Aug 13, 2010
"In addition, the new system provides added security for members, since membership cards can get lost or stolen, allowing non-members access."
Oh I see how this could benifit me as a member. It gives me more security, now I feel better
Rayda

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Aug 13, 2010
joe wrote:
"In addition, the new system provides added security for members, since membership cards can get lost or stolen, allowing non-members access."
Maybe 24 Hour Fitness should set up a facility at the borders, too.
strawk

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Aug 13, 2010
Croghan is being disingenuous when he says that they are not storing fingerprints. How does a comparison take place to match fingerprints if there is no stored data? Let's hope 24 fitness is a little more honest about privacy protection and doesn't share it's database freely with law enforcement without telling any customers. Of course law enforcement could always subpoena the database to search for a particular match.
The addition of a code to get two-factor authorization is good except that in this case customers could co-operate to get multiple people on one payed account by using gummy fingers with the fingerprints of one person copied for use by others. I wonder if the fingerprint ID equipment vendor told 24-hour fitness how easy that is to do.
gdp

Santa Barbara, CA

#13 Aug 13, 2010
most 'illegals' didn't hop a fence. Unless they are too oppressed to even get a visa passport, they crossed legally at the border and overstayed their visit.
What next--be prepared

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Aug 13, 2010
That isn't what they told me at 24-hour to try and get my finger print. Said too many fraudulent attendees. What's the real story? Please stand up.

More smoozing of the public till you are all under their control.
takes all kinds

Santa Cruz, CA

#15 Aug 13, 2010
$25 is way less than a month's rent. Many homeless and under-housed use this as their own personal washroom. With the extra bonus that someone else cleans it. What could be nicer and more hospitable?
wes hilton

San Jose, CA

#17 Aug 13, 2010
Tomorrow's news: 24hour Fitness to collect DNA samples from sweaty machine to find out who's been nasty and hasn't wiped down the equipment. No staff needed...but hey, McDonald's is hiring..in Dubai.

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Dummies

Nipomo, CA

#19 Aug 13, 2010
grumpy_old_fart wrote:
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I doubt many illegals can afford the $25/month - How long have you been scared of non-white people?
So you're saying only non-white people break that law? How enlightened and unracist of you.
24 Hour observation

San Francisco, CA

#20 Aug 13, 2010
THAT MEANS YOU
strawk

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Aug 13, 2010
Croghan says that they do not store images of fingerprints. That is most likely true. But the data derived from a fingerprint scan, a set of markers, is enough to identify a person and is probably enough information to match an entry in some other fingerprint database (e.g. FBI or a given state). He says this to alleviate the association people have with fingerprints and criminals. A better system, which would actually limit the use or misuse of your fingerprint data, would be to issue a smart card which would receive and store fingerprints upon registration at 24-hour fitness. The scanner at the front desk or front door would send the data to the smart card for comparison thus there is no need to store the data anywhere other than the smart card itself. This does mean people still have to carry a card, but a thief with a stolen card would find it useless. Co-operating customers could still make a gummy finger (or a gummy patch to place on a real finger) with one user's fingerprints. It might well be the case that most of the general public doesn't know about how to cheat like this and so would be a cost-effective measure for 24-hour fitness to use instead of a plain ID card with a magnetic strip and no use of biometrics.
I assume that the person who judged my previous comment as nuts just doesn't understand security technology, privacy issues, and, in particular, the weaknesses of using fingerprints in biometric identification. Use of biometrics is going to become much more common and sooner than you think, so the general public would do well to understand it better.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#23 Aug 13, 2010
Meh. Good luck with that.

My job requires fingerprint access to certain things.

Nothing like repeatedly re-inputing my code and sticking my finger on the scanner over and over and over again...
Colonel Burnside

Felton, CA

#24 Aug 13, 2010
grumpy_old_fart wrote:
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I doubt many illegals can afford the $25/month - How long have you been scared of non-white people?
I doubt he/she is 'scared' of them.

More than likely they, like most people are growing sick to death of people who have no business being here in the first place & the politicians that look the other way.
invasion of privacy

Watsonville, CA

#25 Aug 13, 2010
This is a serious violation of personal privacy. It is one thing to provide them for law enforcement, but for a gym where the data could easily be taken. No way!
curious

San Mateo, CA

#26 Aug 13, 2010
now if only 24 hr would better ventilate that darn men's locker room so it doesn't stink like a tennis shoe, all would be right w/the world...
WestsideResident

United States

#27 Aug 13, 2010
Its actually a pretty convenient system, I have had no trouble since enrolling last week... If you don't feel like talking to anyone and just going into your work out, enter the code, finger down, done...

People are so paranoid and conspiracy-oriented these days... Uh oh 24 hr is watching me!!!! Really? Why would they care to waste the time or resources to track all their members every move...
WestsideResident

United States

#28 Aug 13, 2010
"This is a serious violation of personal privacy. It is one thing to provide them for law enforcement, but for a gym where the data could easily be taken. No way!"

Read the article, then comment... They store a number, not the print itself... and what do you lose if a data breach at 24hr on soquel (to who btw?) results in losing a number associated with your finger print?

I'd be much more worried about anyone of the electronic payment methods you use everyday lost your financial data than if my gym lost a copy of my fingerprint, excuse a number that represents my fingerprint
Sorta Funny

Alviso, CA

#29 Aug 13, 2010
From what I've been told -- by many, many people -- "fingerprints" are what is wrong with 24-Hour Fitness. Everyone I know who uses or has used that club talks about how grubby it is. The thought of having to place your finger in yet another place that has been previously touched by all and sundry...ugh..makes me cringe.
Sorta Funny

Alviso, CA

#30 Aug 13, 2010
grumpy_old_fart wrote:
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I doubt many illegals can afford the $25/month - How long have you been scared of non-white people?
I think that the money is not the issue. The particular "illegals" that the t-r-o-l-l poster is speaking of would be unlikely to join a gym because they are likely to be working in physical labor jobs that leave them little energy or time or desire to pay for the right to expend energy uselessly.

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