Glenwood School K-8 proposal divisive

Glenwood School K-8 proposal divisive

There are 44 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Apr 15, 2008, titled Glenwood School K-8 proposal divisive. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Students leave Glenwood Elementary, where some parents want the school to become K-8. The San Rafael City Schools district recently voted down the changes.

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MyCommentary2

Bremerton, WA

#1 Apr 16, 2008
"I think they did it because they didn't think Davidson was a good school - they were afraid of the school," he said. "It's kind of a fear of their children growing up. I think that's really kind of what it boils down to for 80 percent of the parents."

Face it. Davidson isn't the school it used to be when we grew up in San Rafael. No one wants to send their kids there anymore. Add to that all the traffic that the Glenwood/Peacock/Villa Real/Loch Lomond parents have to slog through to get their middle school aged kids to Davidson every morning and they would be better off staying at Glenwood.
Gwoo_familyguy

United States

#2 Apr 16, 2008
I find it sad that the headline of your newspaper (hardcopy) screams racism by Glenwood parents. Glenwood is one of the top schools in all of Marin in large part due the involvement of parents, and the parents strong belief that education is the most important factor in the future success of their children. It has nothing to do with racism, but rather parents want to continue with the excellence that is Glenwood.

What reasonable parent would not be concerned with sending their 6th grade child to a school that has been a "Program Improvement" school for 5 years. To parents this fact means that if anyone is racist it is the district. Why is it that a school with over 50% hispanics continues to lag on the PI list? Why has the district failed to adequately educate these children? Why should I send my children to a school that consistently fails to adequately educate even a majority of their children?

If, as the parents whose children attend Davidson (and Davidson staff) have told me, that if you take away the hispanic childrens scores, Davidson is as good as any other intermediate school, what is being done to ensure a good education for the hispanic children? Perhaps what needs to happen is that all children should be equally distributed among all San Rafael middle schools to achieve a mix that is more reflective of San Rafael. In doing this, all will benefit. Teachers will not have such high numbers of children speaking english as a second language, hispanic children will be immersed into english-speaking classrooms (where they are likely to flourish), and all children will be exposed to other cultures.

I say the San Rafael School District is failing the hispanic population. Those of us in Glenwood can afford to opt out of a failing system (and do at a rate exceeding 30% after grade 5), the majority of those in the Canal cannot. Shame on you San Rafael Schools!
C Allen

San Rafael, CA

#3 Apr 16, 2008
The spanish speakin population would serve their children well by learning and speaking English at home, turning off Telemundo and Univision and assimilating as much as possible into the culture they have chosen to come to. Give the kids they best chance they can. There are not many but some Hispanic families that I know that have done this and their kids are at the top of the class, choosing college scholarship opportunities. Isn
that the final outcome everyone wants for their children? The chance to choose their future?
Brian

Birds Landing, CA

#4 Apr 16, 2008
Personally I think it is a great idea to expand Glenwood to k-8, but how could the school physically expand. I would like to see a design for the additional building because it is already getting over crowded.

And Albert Savedra brings u a great point in that we need to focus on giving Davidson and the children at Davidson a better chance at success. Why focus resources on building and developing a new k-8 when we need to first focus on reorganizing the schools we already have.$ sent to this new construction could be spent at Davidsona nd other schools around the district.
Gwoo_familyguy

United States

#5 Apr 16, 2008
agreed
Gwoo_familyguy

United States

#6 Apr 16, 2008
Not to be defeatist here, but how will increasing the amount of money Davidson receives fix the problem that nearly 50% of the students speak English only during classroom hours? If the hispanic community fails to embrace English and force their children to speak English at home (as my Italian grandparents did) their children will lag behind English speakers and the schools will continue to receive lower scores. The question is, why should my children be forced into such a school? They won't because I can send them to private school thus continuing the brain drain from the SR schools.

Is it any wonder that Hispanics make up less than 25% of the population of SR but account for over 50-60% of the middle and high school student body? The demographics of the elementary schools more closely match San Rafael as a whole. Where did the non-Hispanics go?? In search of better options. The losers here are the hispanic students who continue to be immersed in Spanish speaking situations thus lowering their ability to succeed in their chosen new home.

There is also plenty of SR Schools land behind Glenwood that could be the location of additional portable classrooms.
glenwood parent of 2

Santa Clara, CA

#7 Apr 16, 2008
It is insulting to imply that Glenwood parents don't want to send their children to Davidson because there are hispanics there. Glenwood parents don't want to send their kids to Davidson because it has repeatedly fallen short of meeting standards of education. Our family will probably opt to leave our lovely neighborhood, and either move to another local community or attend private school upon completion of grade 5. And when we're choosing that new community, we will not be looking at the minority demographics, we'll be looking at school performance.
TIME TO MOVE

Fairfax, CA

#8 Apr 16, 2008
Shame on the Marin IJ!!! Bold headline claiming this story IS about Race and test scores. Did you read the story? K-8 expansion is not about race or even test scores, it is about a different way of educating our middle school age children based upon a Rand report and countless other studies that tells us that it is in the best interest of children to stay connected to the community by being in K-8. Did anyone wonder why almost all private schools are K-8??? Oh, speaking of racism-it makes me laugh when white Davidson parents talk about how much they love the diversity there-when all white kids are in segregated "advanced classes". Does anyone know what the word hypocrate means-I can't find it in my Marin dictionary???
glenwood parent of 2

Santa Clara, CA

#9 Apr 16, 2008
True that K-8 programs have their benefits (and I completely support that particular school format) but this isn't only about a different way of educating. If we had a stellar choice of middle schools in San Rafael (for advanced and middle track students), it's unlikely that this avenue would have been pursued.
TIME TO MOVE wrote:
Shame on the Marin IJ!!! Bold headline claiming this story IS about Race and test scores. Did you read the story? K-8 expansion is not about race or even test scores, it is about a different way of educating our middle school age children based upon a Rand report and countless other studies that tells us that it is in the best interest of children to stay connected to the community by being in K-8. Did anyone wonder why almost all private schools are K-8??? Oh, speaking of racism-it makes me laugh when white Davidson parents talk about how much they love the diversity there-when all white kids are in segregated "advanced classes". Does anyone know what the word hypocrate means-I can't find it in my Marin dictionary???
SRCS Advocate

Mill Valley, CA

#10 Apr 16, 2008
Hooray for the IJ! Finally someone brave enough to put a name to the elephant in the room! It is about not just race, but also about class. There are many who have concerns about Davidson, yet have never visited the campus, never spoken with students, never sat in on a class, never walked the campus at lunch...much safer to hide behind the "excellence" of Glenwood. If K-8 is really the issue, why not push to expand Venetia Valley....oh, that's right, there are hispanic students there as well....
Class of 2008

Mill Valley, CA

#11 Apr 16, 2008
It's that time of year when Seniors learn of where they have been accepted for college. At San Rafael High School, students have been accepted to: UC Berkeley, UCLA, Boston College, UC San Diego, Cal Poly, University of Chicago, Dartmouth, Princeton, UC Davis, just to name a few.

All students who attended Davidson. Seems as though they are doing something right over there....
In favor of K-8

Fairfax, CA

#12 Apr 16, 2008
CAN YOU READ? My child goes to Davidson. I know all about it. It is not about class or race. God, you can't have a difference of opinion in this community w/out being called a racist or elitist. We live in a really sad place.
SRCS Advocate wrote:
Hooray for the IJ! Finally someone brave enough to put a name to the elephant in the room! It is about not just race, but also about class. There are many who have concerns about Davidson, yet have never visited the campus, never spoken with students, never sat in on a class, never walked the campus at lunch...much safer to hide behind the "excellence" of Glenwood. If K-8 is really the issue, why not push to expand Venetia Valley....oh, that's right, there are hispanic students there as well....
sr parent of 3

Santa Clara, CA

#13 Apr 16, 2008
glenwood parent of 2. you need to face reality. you have choices and i think your best choice is to move to a homogenized area that has no minorities. These are the demographics we live in. Don't try to give you kids some unrealistic view of the world. What would you do when it was time to go to San Rafael High? Same issue. Familyguy makes a lot lot of great points. Spend you energy improving davidson. And the school system has failed the spanish speaking community.

Hey, here's an idea. We already have a K-8 school in the district. Why can't you get an interdistrict transfer and send your kids to Venetia Valley. Oh wait, that doesn't have your required demographics.

Maybe all the Elementray schools should convert to K-8.

Let's unite as a community, not divide it.
SRCS Advocate

Mill Valley, CA

#14 Apr 16, 2008
In favor of K-8:
I don't believe that by having a difference of opinion on this issue necessarily means folks are racist or elitist - I do take issue when many of the parents behind the K-8 concept are "playing nice in the sandbox" and claiming it is not about race or class....they just let it slip once too often about "those kids" in conversation - and when asked why not Venetia Valley? Same answer.
Glenwood parent

Larkspur, CA

#15 Apr 16, 2008
If the issues was really about race, then you'd hear a lot of complaining about SRHS as well - but you don't. This group of parents simply wants a smaller environment for their children as they navigate through a very difficult period of their lives. And the truth is that Davidson is trying to serve such a widely diverse population - all of whose needs deserve to be equally served - with very limited (and rapidly declining) resources. It's too much to ask of one school - which is proven by their 5th year of "program improvement" status and low test scores on average.
And for those who suggest that Venetia Valley is an option - do they really have room for all who would want to attend? I've asked that question, and the district's answer is "no".
It's so easy to call this a race issue - hot words like that make headlines, right? If you bothered to ask, you'd find that a lot of hispanic parents are also seeking some changes at Davidson, or an alternative. Don't speak for them.
Fact Checker

Mill Valley, CA

#16 Apr 16, 2008
Seems to be a lot of people posting that don't necessarily have any of the relevant facts or basic understanding of the terms they are throwing around.
"Failing the hispanic students" = how? by what measure?
"PI list" = do you even know what that means?
"Immersed in English speaking classrooms" = funny, they are!
Easier to make things up using the verbage, but having not a clue what it means, or what is the actual truth - take a tour, talk to the kids, talk to the teachers, talk to all kinds of parents - make an informed statement and not one based on rumor and innuendo
Glenwood parent

Larkspur, CA

#17 Apr 16, 2008
And "Class of 2008" - I don't hear anyone complaining about SRHS. You've missed the point entirely. And, not all SRHS students attended Davidson. I could name quite a few families who went private for 6-8, then went to SR.
Gwoo_familyguy Post

Mill Valley, CA

#18 Apr 16, 2008
That's the ticket - opt out and send your kids to private school - I invite you to be part of the solution. Come to Davidson and help us.
Marin Republican

Mill Valley, CA

#19 Apr 16, 2008
Hey, it is about all of the illegal immigrants living in our community that are tapping our resources and dragging our schools down. Let's not pretend it is something "politically correct" - be real people
gpp

Ross, CA

#20 Apr 16, 2008
That's a pretty evil (not to mention incorrect) thing to ASSume there, SCRS "advocate". Do you really think ppl would be complaining if Davidson wasn't on the "needs to improve" list for 5+ years?? Uhhh, no. Plus many people are all for trying to work with V.V.... But anyway, good luck with that karma!!!

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