Longshore worker to be tried in port ...

Longshore worker to be tried in port death

There are 14 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from Dec 17, 2009, titled Longshore worker to be tried in port death. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

A 47-year-old longshoreman accused in a January drunk-driving accident that killed a local truck driver at the Port of Long Beach was ordered to stand trial Thursday.

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Joe

Long Beach, CA

#1 Dec 17, 2009
This a very serious problem in our port. Many of the Longshore Workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs. I would think that the union bosses would excersice more control over the working Longshore workers. Such as a breathalizer on all heavy equipment,,ie, forklifts, cranes, etc.
If the union doesn't intervene, more of their working members will meet an untimely death .
This man should receive the maximum prison sentence, and also be forbidden to drive or operate any vehicle fo as long as he may live. That would be a little justice to the victims family.
Ralph

Long Beach, CA

#2 Dec 17, 2009
Joe wrote:
This a very serious problem in our port. Many of the Longshore Workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs. I would think that the union bosses would excersice more control over the working Longshore workers. Such as a breathalizer on all heavy equipment,,ie, forklifts, cranes, etc.
If the union doesn't intervene, more of their working members will meet an untimely death .
This man should receive the maximum prison sentence, and also be forbidden to drive or operate any vehicle fo as long as he may live. That would be a little justice to the victims family.
Joe, when did you become the judge, jury and executioner? And show us the evidence to back up your claim that many longshore workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

I too, feel for the family but I think you are unfair to all of the men and women who show up everyday clean and sober and ready for work.
Hank

El Segundo, CA

#3 Dec 17, 2009
hey knew a crane operator on the docks..he was the biggest drunk around..he would tell me stories and brag about comming in to work drunk and dropping containers very hard on the carriers..
StayAtHomeMom

Westminster, CA

#4 Dec 18, 2009
Were cleaning up the port little by little but not fast enough ! Theres a new generation of Dock Workers coming up sober and drug freeeeeeeeeeee !Have a great day in the city !!!
Mike

United States

#6 Dec 18, 2009
Hey Ralph,

I work in the shipping industry and the ILWU is the biggest bunch of lazy bums around!!! Overpaid and under acheivers!!
Unions were good about 30-40 years ago, but now they just promote laziness. Speak with some of the steamship lines who try and do business in Long beach only to be told that they need to employ ILWU workers, since they are a certain distance from the port. The average salary of a person just doing import documentation is over $75,000.....Try calling these companies to get a question answered. Hold times are worse than the cable company. Trust me, I worked in the same office building as these clowns on Ocean Blvd and they are nothing but a cancer on the shipping industry!!!
bjh

Alton, IL

#7 Dec 18, 2009
When I worked for a company that made many shipments to Hawaii we used to be amazed at the expense on shipping there. Due to unions, one group unloaded the ship to the dock, another group loaded the containers into the warehouse, another group loaded them onto the trucks. Three groups, three separate charges. Ain't unions grand? Oh, and I think there was another charge for processing all of the paperwork.
EJC

Hesperia, CA

#8 Dec 18, 2009
First there are no warehouses. Yes, one group does unload a ship and another delivers containers to
outside truckers. Understand we are talking about
thousands of 20,40,45 and 53 foot long containers,
not balloons. Weighing as much as 59 tons. The containers are placed in a yard, parked on a chassis or decked until its respective shipping co. arrives to pick it up. Obviously they cannot all be delivered simultaneously and are delivered in an orderly and timely fashion.
jax

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Dec 18, 2009
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
Joe, when did you become the judge, jury and executioner? And show us the evidence to back up your claim that many longshore workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
I too, feel for the family but I think you are unfair to all of the men and women who show up everyday clean and sober and ready for work.
Joes is right. They drink in the parking lots before and after they get their jobs or get high. And then their up in the bars during their breaks which can be for 2hours or more. Not all longshoreman do this, but there are plenty who do.
LBC Lifer

Cerritos, CA

#10 Dec 18, 2009
Mike wrote:
Hey Ralph,
I work in the shipping industry and the ILWU is the biggest bunch of lazy bums around!!! Overpaid and under acheivers!!
Unions were good about 30-40 years ago, but now they just promote laziness. Speak with some of the steamship lines who try and do business in Long beach only to be told that they need to employ ILWU workers, since they are a certain distance from the port. The average salary of a person just doing import documentation is over $75,000.....Try calling these companies to get a question answered. Hold times are worse than the cable company. Trust me, I worked in the same office building as these clowns on Ocean Blvd and they are nothing but a cancer on the shipping industry!!!
DWP workers come a close second...
And Yes, Longshoremen come to work drunk and high all the time. My father worked at the Kaiser dock and had to send workers back to the hall at least 2 to 3 times a week. This is what happens when nepotism and not being able to get rid of people occurs in Union halls...
Luann

Long Beach, CA

#11 Dec 18, 2009
Joe wrote:
This a very serious problem in our port. Many of the Longshore Workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs. I would think that the union bosses would excersice more control over the working Longshore workers. Such as a breathalizer on all heavy equipment,,ie, forklifts, cranes, etc.
If the union doesn't intervene, more of their working members will meet an untimely death .
This man should receive the maximum prison sentence, and also be forbidden to drive or operate any vehicle fo as long as he may live. That would be a little justice to the victims family.
Joe's accusations are, unfortunately, very true. I witnessed for many years the drugs and alcohol used before, during and after working a shift. Don't expect the union bosses to do anything about it - some of them are doing the same thing...this is despite the fact that part of their responsibilities include maintaining a safe working environment for their members. What is safe about dock workers using heavy, dangerous machinery even though it's known that they have been drinking or using? And don't think this is a "hidden" practice; It is very well known by all union members, but the union membership is so tight that you won't hear them speak out against each other. Spouses and loved ones should be aware that drug and alcohol use is very, very common among Longshore workers and every day this puts their friends and co-workers at risk of injury or death.
Saint Martinez

Wilmington, CA

#13 Dec 18, 2009
They should attend AA at breaks
iseeitallthetime

United States

#15 Dec 18, 2009
Just go to the green onion on 6th street in pedro. They are at lunch getting drunk all the time with their bosses. No secret.
Pedrokid

Irvine, CA

#16 Dec 19, 2009
The best job on the watrefront and they do this what kind of union is this gangster's union is what it is.
John P

Garden Grove, CA

#17 Dec 24, 2009
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
Joe, when did you become the judge, jury and executioner? And show us the evidence to back up your claim that many longshore workers arrive for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
I too, feel for the family but I think you are unfair to all of the men and women who show up everyday clean and sober and ready for work.
Ralph...stop being so defensive and help fix the problem!
It's true, I work in the Port of Long Beach and there is a lot of abuse. Walk out to a terminal parking lot after the night shift you'll catch a group of Longshoreman drinking... before driving home. The last 4 major deaths that happened in the port were caused by Longshoreman or involved Longshoreman that were "proven" to be under the influence. The industry needs to change and until there is random testing after every accident and heavy consequences for being caught.... nothing will change. The Longshoreman that are good upstanding citizens (most of them are) need to band together and say enough is enough. Stop protecting the minority % that is risking all of our lives on the waterfront just for the sake of the "brotherhood."

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