Sorry, Jackson admirers - you're outnumbered

[TRUTH]

He gave so much money to charities for the good of others. This doesn't point to a self-indulgent or self-centered man.

Ken R wrote:

Michael Jackson does not deserve any honors. He was a recluse, a drug abuser, probably a child abuser, a debt ridden spendthrift, a self-centered and self-indulgent child man. His talent and musical ability probably should be celebrated as unique and transforming. But being worthy of honor and having your professional accomplishments celebrated are two entirely different things. A man's life should be honored for making and living by the hard choices. For sacrificing self to others. For staying the course. For being true, courageous, honest, humble, noble, trustworthy, reliable and meaningful. So people should be celebrating his musical contributions if they wish, but not honoring his empty and broken life.

[TRUTH]

Diverting attention away from the fact that Michael Jackson offered the "hush" money? Oh, come on. HE DID NOT, NOT, NOT WANT THE MONEY TO BE PAID. You clearly don't know much about legal matters and confidentiality statements.

Reality_Awaits wrote:

<quoted text>Seeing as how WackO put it in his settlement, that his "potential earnings from entertainment venues would have been negatively impacted", I see no reason for the confidentiality agreement thusly signed. Aren't you so smart, to divert attention away from the fact that Wackson offered the hush-up settlement in the first place? Face reality- the blame-the-victim argument still doesn't excuse the pedophile at all.

[tax advantage]

TRUTH wrote:

He gave so much money to charities for the good of others. This doesn't point to a self-indulgent or self-centered man.
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Good vs Bad/ Love vs Hate. He did it to make himself feel less guilty for the things he did. Even the worst of people throw a bit more in the collection plate. Like, paying your way into heaven. Like he paid for the kids. That doesn't make brownie points in my book. I'm still upset over bubbles. He bought him too. Paid a keeper. Then dumped him. Never visited and never gave him a second thought or a dime. Poor Bubbles.( its not like he didn't have the money)

[TRUTH]

You are absolutely correct on BOTH of your posts here!
I was involved in a month-long trial several years ago and the opposing attorney was one of the lawyers involved in the Chandler case. He's charming and GREAT at making white look black. I was telling the absolute truth throughout the case, yet I heard person after person get up and tell lie after lie. Had I not been in that courtroom, I never NEVER would have believed that things could go like this...and after people swearing to God they would tell the truth. It was truly unbelievble and also very eye-opening. I will say this, as well...some of the people who got on the stand were originally on my side...yet on the day court started, there they were sitting on the other side of the courtroom. So what I'm trying to tell you here is that attorney's, and this attorney in particular, can weave magic. Yet think of this...he still didn't get a conviction. He got a payout. And NOT because that's what Michael Jackson wanted. It just seemed the best way to go and, legally, I agree.

Stanley Engel wrote:

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Gee, those are profound and decidedly Christian words you wrote there. Let's see what you wrote a few hours ago in a very loving manner:
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Face facts. As your earlier posts showed, you Michael Jackson detractors are nothing but hate filled losers. Another fact is that a horrible accusation is not necessarily true. Fact 3 is that people accused of misdeeds had best follow the advice of their attorneys like Michael Jackson did in the Chandler case. Even if innocent it might be best to settle a civil case since no outcome is assured. No matter how strong a case there is always the chance you'll lose. Michael Jackson didn't want to take that chance.

[The Sun]

Apparently the ratio is the same in the entertainment industry based on who didn't show at the memorial service.

[lenny]

what you need to ask is how many of those 320 are white, and how many of those 320 are non-white or black. and there is no doubt you definitely will see, the majority will be white. the racial/color lines are something one cannot escape from. it is a reality that is there in this pop culture we live in. and lets face it, theres definitely more than 90% caucasian who voted the way they voted.

[yooooo]

Can someone tell me why Michaels "best buddies"
Elizabeth Taylor and Oprah have not been seen or spoken since his death???

[formerly really]

yooooo wrote:

Can someone tell me why Michaels "best buddies"
Elizabeth Taylor and Oprah have not been seen or spoken since his death???

Actually, Liz Taylor did put out a statement to the press expressing her grief over Michael's death. Oprah has not yet but I don't think there is anything sinister about it.

[Reality_Awaits]

Seeing as how WackO put it in his settlement, that his "potential earnings from entertainment venues would have been negatively impacted", I see no reason for the confidentiality agreement thusly signed. Aren't you so smart, to divert attention away from the fact that Wackson offered the hush-up settlement in the first place? Face reality- the blame-the-victim argument still doesn't excuse the pedophile at all.

TRUTH wrote:

Diverting attention away from the fact that Michael Jackson offered the "hush" money? Oh, come on. HE DID NOT, NOT, NOT WANT THE MONEY TO BE PAID. You clearly don't know much about legal matters and confidentiality statements.
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Then you're saying that Wackson lied when he made an agreement to pay a boy ~+20Million over a future time frame into a trust fund.

Nice. Highlight the word *agreement*

Now tell me why Wacko didn't want to do what he agreed to do.

[formerly really]

Reality_Awaits wrote:

Seeing as how WackO put it in his settlement, that his "potential earnings from entertainment venues would have been negatively impacted", I see no reason for the confidentiality agreement thusly signed. Aren't you so smart, to divert attention away from the fact that Wackson offered the hush-up settlement in the first place? Face reality- the blame-the-victim argument still doesn't excuse the pedophile at all.
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Then you're saying that Wackson lied when he made an agreement to pay a boy ~+20Million over a future time frame into a trust fund.
Nice. Highlight the word *agreement*
Now tell me why Wacko didn't want to do what he agreed to do.

Go back and read my post about Arbuckle if you don't get why he settled.

[Sell his parts]

It's time to get rid of him instead of storing him in the fridge.

[TRUTH]

Read the post from Formerly Really with an explanation. No sense in me rewriting it. There's also the fact that Michael Jackson was innocent, and he was, and didn't want to give in and have people think differently, which is just what you and so many others are doing.

Reality_Awaits wrote:

Seeing as how WackO put it in his settlement, that his "potential earnings from entertainment venues would have been negatively impacted", I see no reason for the confidentiality agreement thusly signed. Aren't you so smart, to divert attention away from the fact that Wackson offered the hush-up settlement in the first place? Face reality- the blame-the-victim argument still doesn't excuse the pedophile at all.
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Then you're saying that Wackson lied when he made an agreement to pay a boy ~+20Million over a future time frame into a trust fund.
Nice. Highlight the word *agreement*
Now tell me why Wacko didn't want to do what he agreed to do.

[TRUTH]

So you're saying the ONLY reason he gave money to all those charities was because he felt guilty? And needed a tax write-off? Geez.

tax advantage wrote:

<quoted text>Good vs Bad/ Love vs Hate. He did it to make himself feel less guilty for the things he did. Even the worst of people throw a bit more in the collection plate. Like, paying your way into heaven. Like he paid for the kids. That doesn't make brownie points in my book. I'm still upset over bubbles. He bought him too. Paid a keeper. Then dumped him. Never visited and never gave him a second thought or a dime. Poor Bubbles.( its not like he didn't have the money)

[nocturna]

YOU MAKE ME SICK

[nocturna]

TRUTH,you don't know what you're talking about,you really are a sick and stupid person,I feel sorry for you,honestly

[SAD FOR MJ]

I've just finished reading every post here and I'm wondering what it is you don't like about the comments Truth has made. Truth makes you sick?

nocturna wrote:

TRUTH,you don't know what you're talking about,you really are a sick and stupid person,I feel sorry for you,honestly

[SAD FOR MJ]

You're right about MJ not denying being black. He and others have said he was proud of his heritage. I hope so. I don't agree with the pedophile part, I think he was preyed upon and not the other way around. I've read alot about him over the years and it was said by a profiler that he absolutely did not fit the profile of a child molester.

CaliforniaNative wrote:

I am not a Michael Jackson fan and there should not have been a moment of silence for him.But to set the record straight,he didn't deny being black.He suffered from a skin condition where you lose the pigment in your skin.He had the pigment taken out, as did my Aunt, who is Caucasian.He never had a childhood,to speak of,thanks to his parents.However,he was a great entertainer and on the flip side a pedophile.The media is having a feeding frenzy over his death.I can't stand being assaulted every morning with his picture on MSN.It's time to move on.

[SAD FOR MJ]

Sounds like you had a pretty terrible court experience! I agree with you about the payout part. I understand MJ never wanted the payout made because it would make him look guilty.

TRUTH wrote:

You are absolutely correct on BOTH of your posts here!
I was involved in a month-long trial several years ago and the opposing attorney was one of the lawyers involved in the Chandler case. He's charming and GREAT at making white look black. I was telling the absolute truth throughout the case, yet I heard person after person get up and tell lie after lie. Had I not been in that courtroom, I never NEVER would have believed that things could go like this...and after people swearing to God they would tell the truth. It was truly unbelievble and also very eye-opening. I will say this, as well...some of the people who got on the stand were originally on my side...yet on the day court started, there they were sitting on the other side of the courtroom. So what I'm trying to tell you here is that attorney's, and this attorney in particular, can weave magic. Yet think of this...he still didn't get a conviction. He got a payout. And NOT because that's what Michael Jackson wanted. It just seemed the best way to go and, legally, I agree.
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[nocturna]

SAD FOR MJ wrote:

I've just finished reading every post here and I'm wondering what it is you don't like about the comments Truth has made. Truth makes you sick?
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..now I'm laughing ot loud..sorry,TRUTH,I was reading some other posts and thought it was you who wrote it,but you only quote it and gave beautiful answers..I 'm so sad about michael's death,I don't even know where my mind is...I send my love to all of the fans around the world..a big hug from Croatia.

[Same as]

Illegals are Illegal wrote:

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What would you call the average 35 year old that sleeps in the same bed as children? Its disgusting that people can look past that just because he was famous.

What do you call a group of men tackling each other in grid iron?