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Lousey OLD Days

Vallejo, CA

#22 Jan 30, 2013
tony the pill popper wrote:
<quoted text><sigh> here we go again with high tech jobs will attract educated, more intelligent residents?(less blacks) is that your pitch? our demographics now are best suited for low end jobs and industries. take your blinders off and see the vallejo everyone else does. we own this diversity and all that comes with it now. all YOU have to do is move to the city with all the things you desire because you will never have it in this town, not now, not ever, it's too far gone in the wrong direction.
Like I said we dont need your negativity. Change can be a slow painful process but its a better alternative than your doom and gloom .
GEE

San Carlos, CA

#23 Jan 30, 2013
Hurting Vallejo? What is hurting Vallejo is the insistence of a portion of residents that clean and dirty can not exist side by side! If laws are followed and exceptions not made under the table, both can and will prosper if allowed to settle here.
But it appears being very vocal has won so far! Yes, those fast food places, where people are forced to gobble what is set before them.....

Unless it slipped past your schnozzle, we do live near refineries already, not just one but a whole hand full. Industries of the level you mention have not been allowed to be built nor will they in the foreseeable future.

Hi-Tech white collar jobs are located in communities that already have it ALL and they are not willing to share btw., great schools, infra structure, fine restaurants and lovely over priced properties etc. etc.
Are you unaware that jobs, the real dirty ones Hi-Tech does generate have been shipped off shore to China, Vietnam, Thailand or Asia in general?

I suppose the dream to partake in attracting Hi-Tech and the intelligencia creating it will elude us for years to come.
tony the pill popper

Vallejo, CA

#24 Jan 30, 2013
Lousey OLD Days wrote:
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Like I said we dont need your negativity. Change can be a slow painful process but its a better alternative than your doom and gloom .
just who is "we"? you are in complete denial about he fate of vallejo. i am a realist, you are so positive your mind is bent to the truth.
In Denial

Vallejo, CA

#25 Jan 30, 2013
tony the pill popper wrote:
<quoted text>just who is "we"? you are in complete denial about he fate of vallejo. i am a realist, you are so positive your mind is bent to the truth.
then leave as clearly ou have nothing to offer
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#26 Jan 30, 2013
Lousey OLD Days wrote:
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I dont mean to insult you but your attitude is what is hurting Vallejo.The "howls" are jusified. If you like pollution move near the refineries or open pit uranium mines.
The good old days are gone. Instead of pinning for them help get hi tech jobs to come here instead of more fast food places or industries that pollute the envirnoment.
Ha, ha, ha, ha; the funniest comment of the day, "hi tech jobs"...ha, ha, ha, ha,.........stop it, please,....my sides are hurting......."hi tech jobs".........ho, ho, ho, ho,. you're killin' me....... Confiscatory taxes used to support phony "green" industries, a democRAT controlled government using simple-minded mopes like this poster to support their over-regulating, industry-killing agenda has led to what once was a vibrant, well-policed, safe, POLITE little town, where the streets were not littered with garbage and cast-aways, where home values were growing, to now, a dilapidated city full of an angry, unemployed, racially divergent population, a city full of hopeless faces and free-loading "homeless" rats. Vallejo; a place that has so many unique attributes, run by a traditionaly crooked council who only think of their own personal interests; marihuana shops, "homeless" shelters, half-way houses, phony "non-profits" that feed off the diminishing tax-payer, a thousand scam "churches" that pay no taxes after their leaders collect their fat salaries; we ALL know the scene, and this room-temperature old bag tells us to move to an "open-pit uranium mine". Lady, IF you had been able to see Vallejo when the NAVY was "polluting" the "enviornment" with SMOKE, LOUD NOISES, STEAM, TRAFFIC, RAILDOADS, BRIGHT LIGHTS, and yes regular and numerous WHISTLES, BELLS AND RIVER TRAFFIC, if you had been able to see the THOUSANDS of steady and well-paying JOBS that not only enabled people to live the real American Dream but also gave them the tools to achive DIGNITY and security, well, if had been able to see that you would not say the things you're saying.
It really doesn't make any difference now anyway; the socialists have succeeded in trashing the white house and as a consequence OUR traditional American way of life. This project is as phony as a four-dollar bill and it's too bad there aren't enough thinking people to keep our future safe from an easily-led union of idiots like this one, who will vote to raise their own taxes. So live on your government pension, do what the TV tells you; you're too stupid to inherit the Past of an honorable experiment.
GEE

San Carlos, CA

#27 Jan 31, 2013
Whoa Nelly! Why don't ya tell us how you really feel?

Since you appear to lean to the conservative side, as myself btw. I am surprised that you label another person's stated opinion as coming from a "room-temperature old bag".
A disagreeable opinion only can come from an old female, pre-or-menopausal of course ...and fat for sure, I am definitely sure of that, well maybe ya think?

You do have the ability to vocalize and usually lean towards the shock jock effect so many on this site subscribe to....and yet despite all the
*"I know how to do it, just can't really pull of anything that would better the situation because of all those fat old broads throwing cogs into my wheels"* tantrum, things remain at status quo, why is that?
Since you maintain that you and like minded individuals in this town know 110% how to solve problems that continue to plague us, why did we "EVER" get into this mess?

A person with your knowledge of Vallejo's wheeling and dealings past and present and the ability to amuse and engage should not have to rely on name calling. When resorting to derogatory attacks on people who disagree with a stated opinion in the course of a casual discussion, weakness and lack of acceptance of others comes to the fore front.

Ever since this website began and even before that under different ownership, I have followed your comments as well as those of others who may or may not have changed their handle. But one thing is certain, if ever a different slant on an issue can be presented with a disgruntled comment, I can rely on Wangie to throw up an offending hairball that will stop the flow of conversation for a while.

Like I said many times, I will respect other people's opinion,(no matter how misinformed, misguided or offensive) I may not agree with it, but it is their right to voice it....and another thing, how do you determine the sex of a poster on a forum such as this one?

Is it possible we have only disgruntled, bored, dominated and pussy whipped, couch potato men (did I leave out anything) prowling on Vallejo's Topix Forum Source? No,….never, can't be .....Only dried up old bags with nasty dispositions hang out here!

Have a good day, hopefully better than yesterday!
Phish

United States

#28 Feb 1, 2013
Wanglow, I agree with you in many ways...but...a job is a job. What's WRONG with high tech/edjumacated jobs? Answer: nada. If we can get 'em, there's no sane reason to refuse them. And btw, not all educated, high tech, white collar types are "stupid liberals" etc.
Jocelyn

Vallejo, CA

#29 Feb 2, 2013
Mayor Davis is going to get this deal done.
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#30 Feb 2, 2013
There's nothing "wrong" with "hi-tech" jobs but this type of employment can only occur where you have companies that will provide them. The Bay Area has no shortage of real estate but lacks sufficient employment opportunities for the thousands of well-qualified applicants now. To spout platitudes about "what we need" will not create these jobs out of thin air. MI was/is best suited for Industrial type applications and as long as the FEW nieve and/or crooked will raise their whiny voices in opposition the chance of Vallejo EVER regaining it's potential is nil. When I reported years ago the fraud of the Wilson ave "widening" project, when I reported the Winco/Elks swindle, when I reported the failed Empress rip-off I was received with criticism and ignorant comments. This phony old mill project is as crooked as the rest and relies on the low-information voter for support. Oakland has the best facilities north of LA and is struggling to stay in operation, so to think that this site located on the Napa river will EVER compete for this business is absurd. California regulations regarding pollution, permits, EIRs, objections from the NIMBYs and "union" troublemakers as well as the costs associated with new construction, dredging and ground pollution remediation clearly point out the fallacy of this concept. Only because Vallejo voters remain apathetic, uninformed and unable to think for themselves does this even have any chance of going forward. It is obvious that the only reason this effort exists is because our city council will attempt to take money from OUR city budget and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on phony "consultants', "expert opinions", "studys" and reports; all aimed at rewarding their friends and cronies, for NOTHING. How soon before some local activist rat proposes a new Bond issue or "loan" to these conspirators or is granted more of our dimishing taxes?
There is NO ONE who has the fortitude or intelligence and experience to rid MI of the death-grip the Lennar corp has on OUR town and it's citizens; the cost of any lawsuit would be miniscule compared to the benefits Vallejo could receive from Industrial and Commercial development. Until and unless Lennar is gone NOTHING will improve our lot. Vallejo stands in a unique position for major opportunities yet a stupid, tv-watching, give-a-shit population sit idly by while the Train leaves the station.
The new possible Walmart project may be a go however IF WE can keep the focus on the goal and not on the cheerleaders.
GEE

San Carlos, CA

#31 Feb 2, 2013
Like I said in my previous post there is definitely no shortage of passion and knowledge in your posts, past and present, but the delivery is a turn off.
Why do you come across as such an angry person all the time? You believe the majority of people here in town are stupid …and you may be correct, but hell, do you have to tell us that all the time?
Very few are getting the message as is, can you not be a bit more diplomatic?

When it comes to history and experienced Vallejo living I am floored at the possibilities missed. Having a population consumed with apathy is never a good sign and only makes it possible for those who are willing to become engaged to shape an outcome to their liking. When the hibernators finally wake up all they do is complain and fingerpoint. Well?

I was initially surprised at the quick turn of events at the Mill. No discussion about plans and eventual purchase of the property in question surfaced, at least not publicly until after it was a done deal.
Even more surprising is the parallel business plan of shipping, railroad, pier, etc. from two not connected entities, VMT LLC and MIRS, one to succeed, the other one banished from the island.

Of further interest is that MISY has now partnered with MIRS, a dismantler/builder with a transporter, smart move.

Lennar is entrenched and to pry their fingers from MI will be probably impossible to none existent, too many powerful friends and family intertwined in profitable business deals that reach all the way to the highest offices of our government. It's good to be King.

I agree with you that for Vallejo to succeed, MI has to be developed with its industrial potential in mind. Not having monies to even correct the missing or decaying infrastructure so the property can then be presented to a prospective investors is a major minus!

But that is what usually happens to property that is neglected for many years, everyone wants it for free!

The Neighborhood Market by WalMart will go forward.
I am not aware that any additions to the main structure are planned so the foot print is not any different or larger than when Mervyn's occupied the site.
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#32 Feb 2, 2013
They got a Hell of a deal, $1.4 mill as I understand.
Believe it when see it

Milpitas, CA

#33 Feb 13, 2013
Having experience starting business and them forced to move it from Mare Island (financial, regulatory, and transportation related decision)I can attest to the mess that is Vallejo city government. They say all the right things, then change their minds as they go along. Throw Lennar into the mix and you've got a real dysfunctional environment that is not conducive to business growth. Just look at the recent railroad situation - on again, off again... no way to run a business, or market an "industrial park" (right).

Hope they can get it together and develop the General Mills site - great idea, and would bring a bunch of jobs and new business with it if marketed correctly. I don't feel sorry for the folks who live adjacent to the rail tracks ...generally low cost housing anyway, and those tracks were there WAY before any of them moved in so how can they complain (they will).
GEE

San Carlos, CA

#34 Feb 13, 2013
Believe it when see it wrote:
Having experience starting business and them forced to move it from Mare Island (financial, regulatory, and transportation related decision) I can attest to the mess that is Vallejo city government. They say all the right things, then change their minds as they go along. Throw Lennar into the mix and you've got a real dysfunctional environment that is not conducive to business growth. Just look at the recent railroad situation - on again, off again... no way to run a business, or market an "industrial park" (right).
Hope they can get it together and develop the General Mills site - great idea, and would bring a bunch of jobs and new business with it if marketed correctly. I don't feel sorry for the folks who live adjacent to the rail tracks ...generally low cost housing anyway, and those tracks were there WAY before any of them moved in so how can they complain (they will).
It's good to hear from someone who is interested in the subject at hand. I had hoped that more would have chimed in by now and contributed knowledgeable info to this topic.

Unfortunately we are tied to Lennar and they will not relinquish control of their part of the island anytime soon! I can believe that objections to rail will be voiced.
The following bears in mind that VMT LLC will go forward and rail transport of one kind or another will be in our future.
So with that put aside......

The lines, beginning at our northern border and through town should not have been unused for as long as they have been.
Continued complaints from those using Highway 29 would be a non-issue, if the existing tracks were utilized in part for people moving.
Granted, Vallejo does not have mass employment opportunities and we are not the final destination for the masses, but we are sitting in the middle of important roads that the majority of job holders have to navigate via personal vehicle. Many individuals that could be funneled via a commuter train to the existing ferry and bus terminal are solo drivers and may utilize rail if it were available.

But wait I forgot, we do have a parking structure that the city hopes to fill with all those cars coming from surrounding areas to use the ferry, so having public transport like rail would remove the garage from the equation and make it even less profitable than it probably will ever be. So strike that commuter rail idea!

As a side note: Should the Fairground property really become a Transit Village in disguise (I believe it will) we will never see people-moving-rail in Vallejo.

Just as an afterthought.... Imagine the Peninsula without rail and the subsequent nightmare created on 101?
Is it not amazing how that part of the Bay Area can be fostered and coddled while the poor undesirable relations up North are left sitting in traffic and forced to pay ever increasing bridge tolls?
Im Talking Now

Vallejo, CA

#35 Feb 13, 2013
Doug Darling said it best last night when he was ripping Mayor Davis, claiming he disrespected some other crybaby, that there will always be criticism. That is right, we have activists crying about a host of issues. He did mention "affordable housing", and the growth of it in our town assures more criminal potential, yet the council unanimously increased funds to Nestlerode's department. Nestleroad does not live in our town, likewise most department heads. If the councils won't stop this monster, how can anyone be optimistic about our quality of life ever getting better? What good does it do to cut employee costs if we keep growing a disease? No wonder people outside of Vallejo consider us a fools paradise.
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#36 Feb 13, 2013
Heaven forbid this crooked operation is all about more low-rent housing. With half of Richmond sitting idle with deep-water port, docks, crane service, rail and highway in place and Oakland just hanging on it is obvious this "Plan" for the Old Mill is NOT what they are saying. After the criminally incompetant city council floats ANOTHER bond give-away to support this monster, then changes the focus to create more rat cages THEN it will be too late. This mother-rat nestleroad is probably real proud of the harm she has done to the decent citizens of Vallejo. I just hope there's a special place in Hell for "liberals".
Im Talking Now

Vallejo, CA

#37 Feb 13, 2013
What should inspire rage in the community is the mission statement at Nestlerode's department web page, "to increase the affordable housings supply", and "preservation of existing affordable housing supply".
Outrageous! And nobody on any council has the guts to challenge this mission.
Read for yourself, the "Core Goals and Services", all aimed at growing the social misfit populations as crime accelerates year after year.
http://www.ci.vallejo.ca.us/city_hall/departm...
GEE

San Carlos, CA

#38 Feb 13, 2013
Im Talking Now wrote:
What should inspire rage in the community is the mission statement at Nestlerode's department web page, "to increase the affordable housings supply", and "preservation of existing affordable housing supply".
Outrageous! And nobody on any council has the guts to challenge this mission.
Read for yourself, the "Core Goals and Services", all aimed at growing the social misfit populations as crime accelerates year after year.
http://www.ci.vallejo.ca.us/city_hall/departm...
I was browsing the city website this afternoon in search of permit info that I could not locate of course. So I thought I give the Housing & Community Development Division a whirl and lookie there, up pops the mission statement. How appropriate and informative! I read a bit, here and there and thought about posting it to this website, but decided against it.
Who really cares but a few that are populating this site, kind of like preaching to the choir, isn't it?

I may have misunderstood in the course of discussion, but was there not a mention recently by Ms. Nestlerode that the average cost of the homes bought in foreclosure and fixed up to acceptable standards for low income home buyers courtesy of and through the City of Vallejo, was "$200.000"?...and is it not admirable that the city will give a 20% down payment assistance to those qualified to purchase these fully refurbished homes … and to not create additional hardship will defer repayment of that assistance?

I better stop at this level, because I do want to be able to sleep tonight.

It must take an inquisitive and in-the-know individual to be able to take advantage of all the give-a-ways this city has to offer and do it with the expert help from those we reward with six figure salaries/pensions plus benefits for life.
Know what I'm sayin?
to hell with gomes

Vallejo, CA

#39 Feb 14, 2013
GEE wrote:
<quoted text>
I was browsing the city website this afternoon in search of permit info that I could not locate of course. So I thought I give the Housing & Community Development Division a whirl and lookie there, up pops the mission statement. How appropriate and informative! I read a bit, here and there and thought about posting it to this website, but decided against it.
Who really cares but a few that are populating this site, kind of like preaching to the choir, isn't it?
I may have misunderstood in the course of discussion, but was there not a mention recently by Ms. Nestlerode that the average cost of the homes bought in foreclosure and fixed up to acceptable standards for low income home buyers courtesy of and through the City of Vallejo, was "$200.000"?...and is it not admirable that the city will give a 20% down payment assistance to those qualified to purchase these fully refurbished homes … and to not create additional hardship will defer repayment of that assistance?
I better stop at this level, because I do want to be able to sleep tonight.
It must take an inquisitive and in-the-know individual to be able to take advantage of all the give-a-ways this city has to offer and do it with the expert help from those we reward with six figure salaries/pensions plus benefits for life.
Know what I'm sayin?
and they get to enjoy their wealth outside of our city, yet the gomers demand cops live in town so they will care more. why should senior department heads give a damn about our state, they get paid and take it out of town to safer cleaner communities.
Fat Bald Man in an Hula

Vallejo, CA

#40 Feb 14, 2013
to hell with gomes wrote:
<quoted text>and they get to enjoy their wealth outside of our city, yet the gomers demand cops live in town so they will care more. why should senior department heads give a damn about our state, they get paid and take it out of town to safer cleaner communities.
LOL!

remember grissle the cops statement?
My favorite view of Vallejo is in my rear view mirror" If that is the attitude of cops maybe they should live in town.

LOL!
(t)urd enragement!
to hell with gomes

Vallejo, CA

#41 Feb 14, 2013
Fat Bald Man in an Hula wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!
remember grissle the cops statement?
My favorite view of Vallejo is in my rear view mirror" If that is the attitude of cops maybe they should live in town.
LOL!
(t)urd enragement!
lol, nuts!

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