As We See It: Save the salmon: Good news on fishing season, but...

There was a time when salmon was king. Now, finally, for the first time in three years, sport fishermen will again be able to fish for salmon in Monterey Bay. Full Story
Dont Feed The LA Desert

Yuba City, CA

#1 Mar 31, 2010
Um, quit sending water to all the millions of people in LA which is and should be mostly a desert/arid land as it was before the huge population boom down there. look at all the huge homes with massives amount of unstainable water. Just like parts of NCal in San Joaquin valley, some have water some don't STOP EATING VEGGIES it's hurting our planet! You know about half of you have your panties all bunched up on that one ;)
diogenes

United States

#2 Mar 31, 2010
There is plenty of data that indicates that young salmon are making it from freshwater streams and rivers out to the ocean, but not returning. This strongly indicates there is an ocean environment problem.

But ocean problems do not mesh with government agency agendas. Specifically, agencies cannot claim they need more funds, because they have no authority or control over the ocean or its condition.

Simultaneously, treasonous environmental organizations like the Sierra Club cannot file lawsuits against the ocean because no one owns it. They need land-based "crises" so there is an entity they can sue and put out of business in order to further their anti-human, anti-capitalist, anti-private property ownership agenda.

Government agencies and so-called environmental organizations have a vested economic interest in the ongoing claimed "failure" of species.

Rest assured their actions are designed to perpetuate such failures.
Realist

Hayward, CA

#4 Mar 31, 2010
Salmon don't ride dirt bikes. They need water. Not just a trickle but enough to keep the stream cold.
cruzer

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Mar 31, 2010
diogenes wrote:
There is plenty of data that indicates that young salmon are making it from freshwater streams and rivers out to the ocean, but not returning. This strongly indicates there is an ocean environment problem.
But ocean problems do not mesh with government agency agendas. Specifically, agencies cannot claim they need more funds, because they have no authority or control over the ocean or its condition.
Simultaneously, treasonous environmental organizations like the Sierra Club cannot file lawsuits against the ocean because no one owns it. They need land-based "crises" so there is an entity they can sue and put out of business in order to further their anti-human, anti-capitalist, anti-private property ownership agenda.
Government agencies and so-called environmental organizations have a vested economic interest in the ongoing claimed "failure" of species.
Rest assured their actions are designed to perpetuate such failures.
Can you support any of your claims? And do you mind telling where you live?
dON

Oakland, CA

#6 Mar 31, 2010
diogenes wrote:
There is plenty of data that indicates that young salmon are making it from freshwater streams and rivers out to the ocean, but not returning. This strongly indicates there is an ocean environment problem.
CITATION REQUIRED!!!!!

You have zero to back up that statement, in fact the NMFS biological opinion is 180 degrees from your bull shit.

Here it is in a video, watch it fool!

California's Delta Challenge: The Heart of the Problem

Once again: CITATION REQUIRED FOR YOUR IDIOCY!

Curiously, Gov. Ahnold tried to blame ocean conditions when the first Salmon season was cancelled.

The ONLY reason any impovement in Salmon has occurred is because the Smolts were trucked around the Delta two years ago.
dON

Oakland, CA

#7 Mar 31, 2010
diogenes wrote:
Simultaneously, treasonous environmental organizations like the Sierra Club cannot file lawsuits against the ocean because no one owns it. They need land-based "crises" so there is an entity they can sue and put out of business in order to further their anti-human, anti-capitalist, anti-private property ownership agenda.
Government agencies and so-called environmental organizations have a vested economic interest in the ongoing claimed "failure" of species.
Rest assured their actions are designed to perpetuate such failures.
Failures are REAL...there is not a fish species in the Delta that has not crashed in its population.

Go to Hwy 152, just past Los Banos & stand on the bridge over the San Joaquin River and what do you see? TIRE TRACKS IN THE DRY SAND, FOOL!!!!

Farmer's are NOT sharing the water & when they turn on the massive pumps the Middle River in the Delta runs backwards which leads the fish away from life: Google it & learn, Diogenes!

Where do you get this info you post? I DEFY you to back up your claims!!!

I believe you suffer from solipsism: Solipsism syndrome is a postulated condition which may be faced by those living on another planet for extended periods of time...
wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_
dON

Oakland, CA

#8 Mar 31, 2010
diogenes wrote:
There is plenty of data that indicates that young salmon are making it from freshwater streams and rivers out to the ocean, but not returning. This strongly indicates there is an ocean environment problem.
Governor Appoints Peripheral Canal Backers to Delta Council
March 22nd, 2010 by Dan Bacher
Arnold Schwarzenegger, true to his record as the worst Governor in California history for fish and the environment, has appointed four backers of the peripheral canal/tunnel to the Delta Stewardship Council that will oversee the implementation of the water package that was rammed through the Legislature by Schwarzenegger and Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) last November.

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Report Finds Delta Water Pumping Restrictions to Protect Fish “Scientifically Justified”

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif.— The National Academy of Sciences today released a peer-review report that validates recent federal “biological opinions” and federal actions, particularly seasonal reductions in water pumping, to protect endangered fish species in the San Francisco Bay-Delta.

“The Academy of Sciences report confirms that the best available scientific information demonstrates that unsustainable water diversions are a major factor driving salmon and other native fish in the Delta to extinction, and that restrictions on excessive pumping mandated by the Endangered Species Act are justified and necessary,” said Jeff Miller, conservation advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity.“It is past time to restore sufficient flows to ensure the health of the Bay-Delta ecosystem.”

http://fishsniffer.com/Dan_Bacher/

Diogenes: if the problem is ocean conditions, why are the Delta Smelt (Sturgeon, Shad, Stripped Bass, etc.) crashing?

THEY NEVER LEAVE THE DELTA!!!
goldengategoat

Pittsburgh, PA

#9 Mar 31, 2010
When it is known that salmon are in jeopardy, why is fishing allowed? The fish that are targeted by fishermen are adults and make up the brood stock for the next generation. Each fish caught is eliminated from this stock and therefore limits the size of the next generation's population exponentially. When there are limited numbers of fish, it would seem logical to stop fishing and not resume fishing until those stocks have fully recovered. Fishing for sport is a leisure pursuit. Should leisure take precedence over conservation? I think not. As for farmers over consuming precious water supplies, cut the farmer off at the grocery. Plant a garden. Santa Cruz County is blessed with ideal climate and sufficient water for all manners of vegetables year round. While you wait for the return of the fish you might work on a local stream enhancement project. Take ownership of the problem and look for a solution. How do they say it-think globally act locally.
dON

Oakland, CA

#10 Mar 31, 2010
goldengategoat wrote:
When it is known that salmon are in jeopardy, why is fishing allowed? The fish that are targeted by fishermen are adults and make up the brood stock for the next generation. Each fish caught is eliminated from this stock and therefore limits the size of the next generation's population exponentially. When there are limited numbers of fish, it would seem logical to stop fishing and not resume fishing until those stocks have fully recovered. Fishing for sport is a leisure pursuit. Should leisure take precedence over conservation? I think not. As for farmers over consuming precious water supplies, cut the farmer off at the grocery. Plant a garden. Santa Cruz County is blessed with ideal climate and sufficient water for all manners of vegetables year round. While you wait for the return of the fish you might work on a local stream enhancement project. Take ownership of the problem and look for a solution. How do they say it-think globally act locally.
Wake up! Your question shows your lack of research on the subject.

The Salmon limitation is not population size, it is habitat that no longer exists.

Salmon evolved for a specific water temp & habitat which dams have blocked them from reaching to spawn. It's amazing any are left!

The San Joaquin River is to be re-wet soon, 85% of the water that once flowed down that River is gone to ag. 15% to the environment! Who is calling what pot unable to share?

Greedy Ag. It's plain sad we have to tolerate 'em.

More examples of the environment being unable to share with Farmers:

100% of the original habitat of the Sacramento River Chinook is above Shasta Dam, gone since 1945; in the early 1990's that run consisted of 186 fish. That is very near extinction!

Placer mining covered Salmon gravel spawning beds in the 1880's which just possibly might conceivably coincide with the time we've had Salmon hatcheries.

Like I said, fishermen take a small part of those killed.
dON

Oakland, CA

#11 Mar 31, 2010
forgot one more environmental lack of sharing:

100 miles of Salmon habitat are behind two dams on the Yuba River.

GOOD READ:
Restoring Life to the Yuba River Goldfields
Rasa Gustaitis

http://coastandocean.org/coast_v25_no2_2009/a...
RPF

Sacramento, CA

#12 Apr 2, 2010
You are backwards in your thinking on when salmon spawn - review your fourth paragraph. Salmon actually mature in the ocean and then return to freshwater streams to spawn and die.
Don't kid yourself on other major habitat issues. Striped bass and other preditor fish consume many juvenile salmon, drought has been a key factor in salmon declines, and ocean conditions and off shore fishing has had negative impacts on salmon survival.

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