Such an ignorant Bum you wish everyone to see yourself to be!<quoted text>
From your last link:
"Ross 'Buddy' Lindsay III receives phone calls every day ..."
This is TEC; try reading your links before posting them!
Try these excerpts from the very same article you have insisted is all about TEC and which may be found by reading the article as linked:
This, from Paragraph 3 of the same article:
"All Saints is emblematic of passionate struggles that pit scores of breakaway congregations and entire dioceses against mainline denominations, primarily TEC and the Presbyterian Church (USA)."
And again, two Paragraphs later:
"Some conservative congregations in the PC(USA) contend that when their denomination has made no financial investment in a local church, it should not stand to gain when a church attempts to leave. "The denomination didn't put a dime into these local church properties," says Parker Williamson, editor emeritus of The Presbyterian Layman, a conservative North Carolina-based journal."
On page two:
' "It's not just about property," says L. Martin Nussbaum, a Colorado Springs attorney who defends religious organizations. "It's also about who are the lawful ecclesiastical officers. Typically a majority faction leaves and tries to claim the property on the way out." '
From page three of the same source:
"Mark Tammen, associated stated clerk with the PC(USA) in Louisville, Kentucky, contends that a slim majority of the attempted departures from the denomination are rooted in the debate over ordaining partnered gays. "Lots of times people are mad at the presbytery because they wouldn't let them have the pastor they wanted," Tammen says.
Yet Williamson of The Presbyterian Layman says departures almost universally pivot on scriptural authority. "There's a belief that the denomination has departed from its scriptural foundation of ethical issues relating to human sexuality."
Tammen says Presbyterians have a regional authority structure in which geographical presbyteries rather than the national headquarters can dismiss congregations. "The national church gives advice and assistance to the presbyteries, but we can't control the outcome," he says.
But Williamson believes national leaders are calling the shots. During the legal discovery process for a case involving Carrollton Presbyterian Church in New Orleans, Williamson said the documents showed that the Presbytery of South Louisiana had received 398 e-mails and other communiqués from Tammen.
The Layman published online what its editors dub the "Louisville papers," leaked legal memorandums they say Tammen wrote to presbytery leaders on how to deal with local congregations wanting to leave. Among Tammen's advice: Ascertain whether the ruling judge belongs to a hierarchal church rather than a congregational one. "It's very clear that lawyers for the denomination are deeply involved in these local church cases," Williamson says.
He thinks more courts will find application of the PC(USA) trust clause invalid. "The deeds say nothing about denominational ownership. Congregations never consented to place the property they built and paid for in the control of the denomination."
Also, page three:
'For more than two centuries, United Methodist congregations have held the property in trust to the national denomination. "I don't foresee litigation among Lutherans or Methodists because the legal documents are clear [about] where ownership lies," Tuttle says.
But Lindsay, who has counseled dissenting United Methodist congregations, disagrees. "The language in the Methodist Book of Discipline is almost word for word the same as the Presbyterian and Episcopal provisions. Methodists are just as vulnerable." '
Now, get your head out of your stinking little rear end and read the material, instead of simply looking for confirmation of your own erroneous point of view.