Episcopal bishop aims to strengthen diocese of San Joaquin

Mar 21, 2011 Full story: www.modbee.com 33
The Rev. Chester Talton, who was born in Arkansas and moved to California as a toddler during the war years, is the new provisional bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin. He hopes to focus on spreading the good news of Jesus and doing outreach projects while continuing the legal efforts to regain property lost when Anglican Bishop John-David Schofield led the diocese away from the Episcopal Church over theological issues ... Full Story
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#1 Mar 21, 2011
from modbee:

Q: The philosophy of the Episcopal Church so far has been: "We are not interested in negotiating over property. We want the entire property returned, and if we then have to sell it, we're not selling it back to the congregations who left the Episcopal Church." Do you agree with that philosophy?

A: That's the position of the church at the present time. Yes, I agree with that. I see it as the only recourse that we really have ...

Yet other denominations easilly found other recourses.

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#2 Mar 21, 2011
So?

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#3 Mar 21, 2011
The correct term is stealing.

From the article:

while continuing the legal efforts to regain property lost (Read Stolen) when Anglican Bishop John-David Schofield led the diocese away from the Episcopal Church over theological issues.

Schofield is a deposed bishop of TEC. Legally found guilty under TEC Canon Law of failure to fulfill his duties as bishop and removed from his office and deposed as a bishop from the church.

Now he is one of the Merry Pirate clergy of North America working with the rogues and thugs of the Global South to plunder TEC assets. These guys are definitely not sailing on the Good Ship Lollipop.

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#4 Mar 21, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from modbee:
Q: The philosophy of the Episcopal Church so far has been: "We are not interested in negotiating over property. We want the entire property returned, and if we then have to sell it, we're not selling it back to the congregations who left the Episcopal Church." Do you agree with that philosophy?
A: That's the position of the church at the present time. Yes, I agree with that. I see it as the only recourse that we really have ...
Yet other denominations easilly found other recourses.
..LOL!!!...

Really? What other denominations? How about the RCC? How does the RCC handle the rupture of one of its Dioceses and the taking of the property of the Church by those who are defining themselves as no longer members of the Church from which they have departed?

Do tell, you sniggling dufus.

RK

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#5 Mar 21, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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..LOL!!!...
Really? What other denominations?...
The Lutherans and the Presbyterians, who are apparently much smarter than Episcopalians.

Laugh that off.

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#6 Mar 22, 2011
So?

Quality over quantity joline..........

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#7 Mar 22, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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The Lutherans and the Presbyterians, who are apparently much smarter than Episcopalians.
Laugh that off.
Man! Where have YOU been?

Perhaps you would grace the conversation with the truth, instead of your made up fantasies.

Presbyterian Church, U.S.A., the Book of Order states that:

Those who are called to office in the church are to lead a life in obedience to Scripture and in conformity to the historic confessional standards of the church. Among these standards is the requirement to live either in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman, or chastity in singleness. Persons refusing to repent of any self-acknowledged practice which the confessions call sin shall not be ordained and / or installed as deacons, elders, or ministers of the Word and Sacrament (G-6.0106b).

That is the present policy. It will be reviewed formally in 2012.

In the meantime, on July 8, 2010, by a vote of 373 to 323, the PC General Assembly voted to approve the ordination of partnered homosexuals. The measure requires ratification by a majority vote among the 173 presbyteries before taking effect.

However, to date, the PC does not have the full-blown problem that TEC has with the leaders of former "Presbyteries" declaring complete separation and rejection of authority from their Church, including the arbitrary taking of bank accounts, financial trusts and endowments and the openly defiant occupation of real estate. But, have no doubt, there are many rumblings going on within the PC that indicate such disputes over property and financial assets are looming.

The same problems are occurring in the mainline Lutheran Church.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/janu...

The only problem you have, Joe DeCaro, is that you prefer to fabricate misinformation about your fellow Christians, especially in TEC. Why you do this is beyond explanation. It is a very bad habit.

RK

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#9 Mar 22, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Man! Where have YOU been?
Perhaps you would grace the conversation with the truth, instead of your made up fantasies.
Presbyterian Church, U.S.A., the Book of Order states that:
Those who are called to office in the church are to lead a life in obedience to Scripture and in conformity to the historic confessional standards of the church. Among these standards is the requirement to live either in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman, or chastity in singleness. Persons refusing to repent of any self-acknowledged practice which the confessions call sin shall not be ordained and / or installed as deacons, elders, or ministers of the Word and Sacrament (G-6.0106b).
That is the present policy. It will be reviewed formally in 2012.
In the meantime, on July 8, 2010, by a vote of 373 to 323, the PC General Assembly voted to approve the ordination of partnered homosexuals. The measure requires ratification by a majority vote among the 173 presbyteries before taking effect.
However, to date, the PC does not have the full-blown problem that TEC has with the leaders of former "Presbyteries" declaring complete separation and rejection of authority from their Church, including the arbitrary taking of bank accounts, financial trusts and endowments and the openly defiant occupation of real estate. But, have no doubt, there are many rumblings going on within the PC that indicate such disputes over property and financial assets are looming.
The same problems are occurring in the mainline Lutheran Church.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/janu...
The only problem you have, Joe DeCaro, is that you prefer to fabricate misinformation about your fellow Christians, especially in TEC. Why you do this is beyond explanation. It is a very bad habit.
RK
RevKen - Joe can't be bothered with facts. His 'personal revelations' are sufficient for his needs. LMAO.

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#10 Mar 22, 2011
RevKen wrote:
... However, to date, the PC does not have the full-blown problem that TEC has with the leaders of former "Presbyteries" declaring complete separation and rejection of authority from their Church, including the arbitrary taking of bank accounts, financial trusts and endowments and the openly defiant occupation of real estate.
So the Presbyterians -- as well as the Lutherans -- don't have the problems that TEC has, which is what I posted in the first place.

Thanks for proving yourself to be a liar and saving me the trouble.

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#11 Mar 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So the Presbyterians -- as well as the Lutherans -- don't have the problems that TEC has, which is what I posted in the first place.
Thanks for proving yourself to be a liar and saving me the trouble.
Facts give you a headache, which is why you cherry pick your stories rather than take them from TEC News.

That explains why you pretend to be roman..........

LOL!

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#12 Mar 23, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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RevKen - Joe can't be bothered with facts. His 'personal revelations' are sufficient for his needs. LMAO.
He follows no one, how sad for poor out on his own joline.

He is as infallible as his Pope.

LMAO..........

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#13 Mar 23, 2011
MiddleWay wrote:
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Facts give you a headache, which is why you cherry pick your stories rather than take them from TEC News ...
"TEC News"?

Is that like a sectarian CNN?

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#14 Mar 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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"TEC News"?
Is that like a sectarian CNN?
When you post articles from Virtue the Blogger you may as well be quoting Pravda or the Nation Enquirer.

Or

There's no business like show business by Irving Berlin

There's no people like show people
They smile when they are low
Even with a turkey that you know will fold
You may be stranded out in the cold
Still you wouldn't trade it for a sack o' gold
Let's go on with the show
Let's go on with the show!
The show!
The show!

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#15 Mar 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So the Presbyterians -- as well as the Lutherans -- don't have the problems that TEC has, which is what I posted in the first place.
Thanks for proving yourself to be a liar and saving me the trouble.
Apparently you chose not to read the post and the information offered. Both the Presbyterians and the Lutherans are unhappily experiencing the same grabs for money, assets and property that the Episcopalians are enjoying.

What you posted was some kind of baseless comparison between Churches, instead of visiting and reviewing the actual progression of the changing policies of those Churches and how they are actually managing the resulting difficulties.

Oversimplification to the detriment of facts seems to be your forte.

If there is anything to be learned from the Episcopalians, it is that the process of hauling these thieves into Court is a very tedious and expensive undertaking. But, no one is saying that we should simply let them raid the Treasury and take the keys and apply the boot to everybody who won't engage in their sanctimonious hypocrisy - except for those who actually condone or sympathize with their thievery.

Do you sympathize with their thievery? Apparently you do. Do you also support the taking of RCC Churches and financial assets and the commandeering of RCC property by those who find themselves in disagreement with RCC policies and dogma? Oh yeah, right! Let's see now - oh maybe that doesn't apply to MY Church....

But, then, that would be expected from a RCC member who has no say in how his money is spent defending errant podophile priests in the Courts, wouldn't it? I wonder how much that has cost.

Not that what those priests have done or are doing to innocent children is in any way funny. But, what you are trying to do with your uninformed and stupid assertions is.....downright hilarious!

LMFAO!

That's right! I am laughing at you and your inane assertions back into the cave hole from which you attempted to emerge!

Backwards Fool!

Observing the path of your logic is like trying to trace the progressive jumping of a fart in a skillet!

RK

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#16 Mar 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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"TEC News"?
Is that like a sectarian CNN?
No. Not hardly. For you, it is like a Papal Decree from Rachel Zoll!

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa... I can't stand it! I am going to have to invest in a set of large diapers so that I don't inadvertently wee on myself and cause a mess from laughing so hard when I read your bottom fed drivel!

Better than updates on Charlie Sheen!

Keep it up Jolene! It must be a terribly difficult exercise in self-discipline for Selecia Jones to have to keep quiet in the face of your incessant mental diarrhea!

More power to her.

RK

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#17 Mar 23, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Apparently you chose not to read the post and the information offered. Both the Presbyterians and the Lutherans are unhappily experiencing the same grabs for money, assets and property that the Episcopalians are enjoying ...
No they're not: there are no lawsuits involved.

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#18 Mar 23, 2011
RevKen wrote:
It must be a terribly difficult exercise in self-discipline for Selecia Jones to have to keep quiet ...
Not difficult at all considering that she's in Cuba where the Inet is closely controlled.

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#20 Mar 24, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Not difficult at all considering that she's in Cuba where the Inet is closely controlled.
Still projecting your hopes rather than facts?

Poor sad lonely little man..........

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#21 Mar 24, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No they're not: there are no lawsuits involved.
You are full of sh_t, Joe DeCaro.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07336/838065-5...

http://comunidaddesanmartin.org/documentos/lo...

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/janu...

If these links are not enough to refute your ignorant assertions, more can easily be provided.

You have a problem, Joe DeCaro. You do not seek the truth, even though Christ Jesus specifically told you to do so.

As a result, your credibility on these threads has suffered to the point that few expect anything worthwhile will come from you.

RK

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#22 Mar 24, 2011
RevKen wrote:
From your last link:

"Ross 'Buddy' Lindsay III receives phone calls every day from pastors who want his help wresting their church property from denominational control. As chancellor of All Saints Church in Pawleys Island, South Carolina, Lindsay has spent a decade immersed in church property disputes. He is one of only four Americans with a master's degree in canon law from Cardiff University in Wales.

"In September, the South Carolina State Supreme Court ruled 5-0 in favor of All Saints, allowing the 800-member congregation to keep its 50 acres worth $20 million. Before leaving the Episcopal Church (TEC) in 2004, the church amended its charter, declaring that it no longer accedes to the national constitution. The court ruled the national church did not retain clear ownership of the local church property."

This is TEC; try reading your links before posting them!

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