Immigration reform fight hits close to home

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Dozens of Estero High students walked out of school at 11 a.m. on Tuesday to protest a bill that would criminalize illegal immigrants. Full Story
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Antifa

Atlanta, GA

#64 May 7, 2007
These people are trying the best they can to carve out lives for themselves and the mass majority of them really are good people. The idea that people are actually angered by the fact that they aren't assimilating fast enough is rifdiculous. If you were poor and moved to another country, what would you be more concerned with? Getting food on your table for yourself and your family or paying hundreds of dollars for language classes? How do you know how long each particular person has been here? Do you know how long it can take to learn a language? English is one of the hardest languages on the planet to learn due to so many exceptions to grammatical rules. Not to mention the fact that here, everything costs money. They could take a class which, by the way, is generally pretty expensive, especially if the classes are one on one. Working at McDonald's, I doubt they'd be able to afford it. They could learn from an English speaking friend, but they'd have to find a bilingual person who'd be willing and able as teaching someonee a language isn't always very easy. They could also purchase books and tapes, but that would take forever. It doesn't seem like you've thought about any of this all the way through. You want them to learn English, but are you going to quit your job to teach them full time for free? Be realistic.
Becoming a citizen is not as easy as it's made out to be. IF you are accepted (and that's a big if) it's a long process in the first place and some people don't have the time to wait. If my life were hell, I know that I would be doing everything in my power to improve it. And no ill-thought, beareaucratic, drawn-out paperwork is going to make me postpone that. I don't care if it's against a law or not. IT'S MY LIFE at stake.
Here. A little schooling:
Technically speaking, most corporations are controlled by rich white men whose fathers were rich white men whose grandfathers were rich white men. in other words, power is passed down generation to generation at least some of the time. So, technically these people have "been here" for a long time. But if you really want to return this country to its rightful owners (although i don't think you can commodify nature, but that's a side issue) then we would be giving it back to the Native Americans. Oh, wait, we killed like 80% of them, didn't we?
It's not that immigrants won't assimilate, it's that we won't let them because we need them for cheap labor they serve the needs of capital in a way that is really undeniable.
I don't think it's that immigrants make problems in our country. I certainly don't see any. I think we create problems for them in our country and our military and economic policies wreak so much havoc in their home countries that they really have no choice but to come here.
Globalization (of labor) is in the interest of capital, not of workers of any nationality. Immigrants don't cause globalization. It is an inevitablity of the process of capitalist accumulation and growth.
Antifa

Atlanta, GA

#65 May 7, 2007
While it is true we do have plenty of people able to do work here in the U.S., it is in the interest of capital set up shop in the global south were they can pay low wages and where they don't have to deal with labor laws or environmental regulations. The main motivation of a corporation is its profits. what determines profits? the equation for the profit rate is basically:
profit rate (r)= revenue - material costs - labor costs/capital goods (machinery, etc.)
in order to maximize the profit rate, corporations must either reduce their labor costs, their materials (the numerator of the equation), or create new technology that will allow them to up the efficiency of their capital goods in use (the denominator of the equation).
the easiest thing to do is to lower labor costs. labor costs are reduced by lowering wages and/or increasing output per hour.
so, in the post war era here in the U.S. labor made a lot of gains in relation to capital that served at least those white males involved in core industries like steel, auto, and other industrial production. however given the oil shocks of the 1970s material costs went up, profits dropped and this kind of agreement became unproftable for capital. therefore, capital saw the need and the space to ship jobs abroad. they could exploit new markets, get cheaper labor and up their profits.
As long as workers aren't organized totally, labor is always going to get fucked by capital and the prevelance of immigrant workers as well as globalization of labor is not going to decrease. i'm tired of typing but look up "reserve army of the unemployed" or "reserve army of labor" on wikipedia.(I know Wikipedia is not really a reliable source, but this is concise and seems to be correct. If you really want to you cand find this information using Google as well.)
It's unfair to expect so much from these people. We should be trying to help them, not shunning them. I know a few of the people on this forum are blatant racists, so I'm not really talking to you. You can fuck off. I am, however, making a plea to otherwise rational and genarally understanding individuals. Take a step back, have some empathy and try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Antifa

Atlanta, GA

#66 May 7, 2007
Technically speaking, most corporations are controlled by rich white men whose fathers were rich white men whose grandfathers were rich white men. In other words, power is passed down generation to generation at least some of the time. So technically these people have "been here" for a long time. But if you really want to return this country to its rightful owners (although i don't think you can commodify nature, but that's a side issue) then we would be giving it back to the Native Americans. Oh, wait, we killed like 80% of them.

It's not that immigrants won't assimilate, It's that we won't let them because we need them for cheap labor they serve the needs of capital in a way that is really undeniable.

I don't think it's that immigrants make problems in our country. I certainly don't see any. I think we create problems for them in our country and our military and economic policies wreak so much havoc in their home countries that they really have no choice but to come here.

Globalization (of labor) is in the interest of capital, not of workers of any nationality. Immigrants don't cause globalization. It is an inevitablity of the process of capitalist accumulation and growth.
Michael Hines

United States

#67 May 17, 2007
These people are looking for a free ride. They use our services and don't pay taxes. They are a burden on our social security system and do not contribute funds. They take jobs away from hard working Americans who do pay taxes and S.S. We should not have to learn spanish so we can do business in our own country. You see how easy it is to come into this country. Not to mention the terrorist that could just as easily enter the same way. STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NOW!

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